Naughty Dog absolutely disgusting TLOU:R MP monetization

Nvzman said:
I bought the weapons on PS3 and they were free on PS4 not as the bundles, but as individual items
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Thanks man. I went on the store on my browser, redeemed the free stuff on the PS3 version, and hopped on over to the PS4 one where it says it's all purchased.

Someone mentioned earlier that some people might be buying stuff they already have... that's really true and unfortunate.
 
Doomshroom said:
You are right i am uniformed. I have been avoiding the OT and anything that has to do with this game because of spoliers (i did not own a PS3). I guess i was a little bit fast on the burn in hell ND train, im sorry about that.
I have never played the MP so i dont know what kinda impact these "items" that are locked will have but reading this thread makes it sounds like its not a big deal.
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IMO, TLoU MP is incredibly well-balanced in terms of point distribution and loadout options. You don't need the stuff some of the people in the thread are screaming about. I'm not even into MP usually but really like the way it's implemented in TLoU. Good stuff. Welcome aboard!
 
Exploratory said:
This is NOT a relevant counter argument because

A. You're getting base level versions of the skills instead of the much more powerful level 3 versions of the skills.

B. The loadouts suck in general.

I'm guessing you don't play a lot pl MP right? Those are 2 huge factors.

Its not the worst thing in the world and its not as bad as like 2k or something but in a competitive multiplayer this is the worst implementation I've seen and it deserves to be called out.

Edit: Anyone who is saying the multiplayer doesn't matter is so full of it. What does that even mean? How would you know its tacked on if you don't even play it?
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It wasn't meant to be a counter argument. I just want to understand the issue before I make my mind up about it. I really dislike P2W. I mean I loathe it. But I've seen some games unfairly accused of being P2W (Hearthstone) so I don't want to jump to conclusions until I try it for myself.
 
Fushichou187 said:
IMO, TLoU MP is incredibly well-balanced in terms of point distribution and loadout options. You don't need the stuff some of the people in the thread are screaming about. I'm not even into MP usually but really like the way it's implemented in TLoU. Good stuff. Welcome aboard!
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hype rising. i really need a good/balance/fun mp game to play on ps4 when im not in the mood for sp
 
Head.spawn said:
I have to agree with this. The mod-edit makes it sound like it's not really a big deal, but take for instance when I played Titanfall... unlocking the extra Titans for custom loadouts through playing both "Campaigns" was annoying enough. I'd be pretty angry if things like that were only accessible in custom-loadouts via my wallet. It's in bad taste IMO.
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Hope this wallet-grabbing doesn't spread to other MP shooters. I don't want to deal with this or worse in any of the future games I play... like special DLC bullets, scopes and health packs. That would be amazingly bad.
 
Also, what is with all the responses saying "well it's all available in the preset loadouts"... don't many multiplayer modes allow players to create custom classes that might take advantage of two or more perks being combined, and that together are more effective than whatever is in the default classes? And no one sees this being behind a paywall as a paid advantage? I'm baffled to say the least.
 
I do think it's shitty that the perk and weapon DLCs aren't included with the Remastered edition, but I don't think any of them are game changing or overpowered. Most people run with the Semi-Auto Rifle.
 
Serpens007 said:
Not even EA tier microtransaction can touch it.
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It's funny, I've been playing a lot of Garden Warfare on PC lately and absolutely nothing in that game is locked behind a paywall. The only thing you can buy are coins to unlock things quicker.

EA wins this round, ND.
 
Gartooth said:
So there are super weapons and skills that are exclusive to microtransactions. Man, I expected better from Naughty Dog.
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Well I don't know why they are considered super weapons and skills. And they aren't exclusive to micro-transactions either.

Shitty move that they didn't add this to the base game, I complained about it prior to the game's release. It is what it is though, just don't buy it and support it.
 
Really disappointed about this :-(

Skins and hats is one thing, perks and weapons is pretty low. I mistakenly thought it was pay to unlock early. Saying that they are available in preset loadouts is idiotic, smh.
 
Joco said:
Also, what is with all the responses saying "well it's all available in the preset loadouts"... don't many multiplayer modes have players be able to create custom classes that might take advantage of two or more perks being combined that together are more effective than whatever is in the default classes? And no one sees this as being behind a paywall as a paid advantage? I'm baffled to say the least.
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It sucks but again what those that have played and loved the MP are saying is that those things do not grant an advantage. Those that have access to the weapons and perks do not have it any easier than others.

Not to sound pretentious, but those that are complaining about this and calling it unfair seemingly haven't played the MP and have no idea how those things affect the balance. I used these things on the PS3 I ended up reverting back to the stock weapons and perks.

Not excusing it at all, but it is not granting anyone an advantage.
 
Valar Morghulis said:
Checked right now. They're all there in preset loadouts. But not all of them are level 3. Not sure if it get's unlocked as you progress like the rest of the perks though.
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They don't. It's nice that they're in the preset loadouts, but it's still not the same, and still kind of silly.
 
FStop7 said:
It wasn't meant to be a counter argument. I just want to understand the issue before I make my mind up about it. I really dislike P2W. I mean I loathe it. But I've seen some games unfairly accused of being P2W (Hearthstone) so I don't want to jump to conclusions until I try it for myself.
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Not a reason not to play it. The multi is better than almost everything else on PS4.

Its just a shit practice.
 
Hubb said:
Well I don't know why they are considered super weapons and skills. And they aren't exclusive to micro-transactions either.

Shitty move that they didn't add this to the base game, I complained about it prior to the game's release. It is what it is though, just don't buy it and support it.
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I don't own them so I don't know how good they actually are, I'm just reading the OP descriptions. In particular some of the level 3 skills seem very good. I could be completely wrong when it comes to overall balance though, so I won't say any more about it.
 
Exploratory said:
You liked Tomb Raider multi more than TLoU multi?

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And how can you really say its tacked on when almost all of the DLC for the game is centered around multiplayer?
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I'm what?

I never said I liked the Tomb Raider MP more. I dislike them both. TLoU MP is probably better but I still don't enjoy it.

I was just saying that as a trophy/achiever hunter, at least the TR MP allows me to solo grind.
 
Doomshroom said:
You are right i am uniformed. I have been avoiding the OT and anything that has to do with this game because of spoliers (i did not own a PS3). I guess i was a little bit fast on the burn in hell ND train, im sorry about that.
I have never played the MP so i dont know what kinda impact these "items" that are locked will have but reading this thread makes it sounds like its not a big deal. I guess time will tell when more pople get into the MP. As long as its not pay to get an advantage im fine with it but it sounds like they are on thin ice here.
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Gaz_RB said:
Damn. An apology for jumping to conclusions.

Nice shit.
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Doomshroom, you have gained my respect today.
 
I like how most of the people who are ok with it excuse it by saying "I don't use it" or "The stock load outs are better". How about an actual real valid argument on why its ok to not allow everyone to customize their build however they want unless you pay for it? Might as well just lock the option to customize load outs at all.
 
The DLC weapons and perks just offer a different playstyle than what the regular skills/weapons provide.
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Were this not a forum post this would be indistinguishable from PR Fluff.

we're seriously going with the dlc being 'just a different playstyle'? wow
 
ChrisMahoney said:
Wow @ the mod abuse. "The DLC weapons are just a different play style."

Yeah, ok
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Killer said:
It's really funny. Went over his head obviously.
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I was adding context to the OP that's useful to discussion that people might not have known (I didn't, I havent played the game). I only meant to point it out as a factor of discussion, not trying to argue or defend anything myself, personally.
 
blankempathy said:
I like how most of the people who are ok with it excuse it by saying "I don't use it" or "The stock load outs are better". How about an actual real valid argument on why its ok to not allow everyone to customize their build however they want unless you pay for it? Might as well just lock the option to customize load outs at all.
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The argument is that Naughty Dog felt it was in their financial benefit to lock some perks behind a DLC-type pricing model. Personally, I've just come to accept all sorts of insane content being locked behind pay walls. It's why I fear the new EA thing is going to continue to pile shit like this on top of one another.

Imagine this but you have to be subscribed to Naughty Dog's monthly subscription to access them. I personally can't do anything but go along for the ride as other gamers crash this car on my behalf.
 
Seda said:
I was adding context to the OP that's useful to discussion that people might not have known (I didn't, I havent played the game). I only meant to point it out as a factor of discussion, not trying to argue or defend anything myself, personally.
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It was useful. Thanks :)
 
Silky said:
Were this not a forum post this would be indistinguishable from PR Fluff.

we're seriously going with the dlc being 'just a different playstyle'? wow
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Shotguns, Assault Rifles, and Sniper rifles only $5 in the next COD.

They're only different playstyles after all.
 
HawthorneKitty said:
GOTY version is next year, believe.
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Probably true, includes Beta access to TLOU2 MP mode.

Now to decide if I want to pick up my pre-order from Gamestop. I beat the PS3 version and don't particularly care about MP. This DLC being behind a paywall doesn't affect me but it still doesn't rub me the right way.
 
Impeccable said:
The argument is that Naughty Dog felt it was in their financial benefit to lock some perks behind a DLC-type pricing model. Personally, I've just come to accept all sorts of insane content being locked behind pay walls. It's why I fear the new EA thing is going to continue to pile shit like this on top of one another.

Imagine this but you have to be subscribed to Naughty Dog's monthly subscription to access them. I personally can't do anything but go along for the ride as other gamers crash this car on my behalf.
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Thats the only real argument I can agree with and its not in favor of the "gamers" thats for sure. People seem to be ok to give naughty dog a pass and extra money on shady practices because "they deserve it". When this becomes the standard practice I wonder if they'll still think these companies "deserve" extra money.
 
Darksol said:
I hold my own with a generic bow and nothing paid for, and I'm shitty at MP games. The MP is remarkably well balanced.
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People aren't complaining about the DLC loadouts being unbalanced or not. I just want to be given the choice to customize my loadouts, even if I might not like the combination in the end.
 
blankempathy said:
I like how most of the people who are ok with it excuse it by saying "I don't use it" or "The stock load outs are better". How about an actual real valid argument on why its ok to not allow everyone to customize their build however they want unless you pay for it? Might as well just lock the option to customize load outs at all.
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More customization is obviously a good thing and would be preferred.

What we're saying is that it's not crippling, game breaking, or a major advantage, so paying for them means jack shit, because it's not actually going to give an edge to anyone.

I suck balls at MP games and do okay at this, largely because the game is really well balanced. If I get steamrolled it's usually by more experienced players, using the same presets available to me.
 
They probably saw an opportunity to make even more money and took it. Wouldnt be so disgusting if they hadnt said the PS4 edition would be the complete package.
 
Sify64 said:
People aren't complaining about the DLC loadouts being unbalanced or not. I just want to be given the choice to customize my loadouts, even if I might not like the combination in the end.
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I get that, and I agree. I just think the people trying to pass off Naughty Dog as akin to EA have ramped the hyperbole through the roof.
 
Darksol said:
More customization is obviously a good thing and would be preferred.

What we're saying is that it's not crippling, game breaking, or a major advantage, so paying for them means jack shit, because it's not actually going to give an edge to anyone.

I suck balls at MP games and do okay at this, largely because the game is really well balanced. If I get steamrolled it's usually by more experienced players, using the same presets available to me.
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Addtional purchases in a MP game should only be restricted to cosmetics. Not for stat changing benefits. It breaks the progression and balancing of a game wether the benefits are for better or worse.

the only barrier that should exist to keep people away from stat changes in a game should only be skill, and skill alone.

Not to mention they advertised the damn remaster as the complete package. It's scummy as hell.
 
Darksol said:
More customization is obviously a good thing and would be preferred.

What we're saying is that it's not crippling, game breaking, or a major advantage, so paying for them means jack shit, because it's not actually going to give an edge to anyone.

I suck balls at MP games and do okay at this, largely because the game is really well balanced. If I get steamrolled it's usually by more experienced players, using the same presets available to me.
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I said I didn't want to hear about how supposedly other load outs are better. Thats not an actual argument against why its ok to not allow people to customize their builds the way they want. I don't want to be shoehorned to certain builds. I want to try and experiment and play the way I want without having to pay for the ability to do so.
 
I wonder what makes Naughty Dog's sense of pride in their product dissipate 6 months after initial release.

It's getting frustrating. I don't want to have to think "Well I could play better if I were using that weapon/perk combo I have to pay for".

I understand the cosmetic stuff, but the weapons are just an annoying thing to do. There are less than 20 weapons total. The purchasable DLC weapons account for at least 20% of the total amount. Nearly 40% of all of the perks are DLC.

It's just frustrating.
 
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