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CP3 sucks, we've done talked about this for the last 2 days.
Gotdatmoney
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CP3 is a fucking loser who is afraid of the moment.
Kyrie showed out against Curry and more importantly IMO, hit the series winning shot in Game 7. I didn't mind LeBron winning it, just know it wouldn't be a good look on his resume if he didn't for Cleveland's 1st title.
Hill/Conley are damn near the same player.
LegendofDragoonLives
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That's the order with Chuckbrook at number 6. Maybe add the "I've never made a conference final" guy at #7 and leave at that for the cream of the crop in the NBA.
Kawhi outside the top 4 is bonkers imo
I can see a debate for Harden v Westbrook for the 5th spot
Did you clearly miss the last minute of this game? Thon Maker fouled him, and Jason Terry fouled him.
No he doesn't. It's not set in stone, but I'll be disappointed if they don't end up beating the Jazz in 7.
Far from the truth.
The series should have determined Harden is clearly better.
Gotdatmoney
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There is no argument. Lebron was MVP. Lead series in all major statistical categories. Back to back 41 point games and finished game 7 with a triple double and one of the most memorable chase down blocks ever.
Kyrie was not finals MVP. That's laughable.
Conley is much better than Hill. His 3FG% is in the 40s. He barely turns thr ball over. He actually careers a large bulk of the scoring responsibility on his team. His ball IQ is superb. If Conley and Hill have similar games it doesnt mean Conley is not significantly better.
Like I said, I didn't mind LeBron winning it. Kyrie had a amazing Finals either way.
Conley isn't significantly better, it's already bad enough you think he's better than Kyrie.
Gotdatmoney
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Demar was clearly fouled twice at the end of the game. Clearly. He whines and bitches for calls a lot the last 2 years though. But in this case he was right.
LyleLanley
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I will not respect the opinion of anyone who thinks CP3 Is better than Kawhi.
Forget about rings and accolades, on overall skill set alone, how isn't he?
This makes no sense whatsoever. Both players were good with bad stretches.
bonesmccoy
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I was expecting 7.
Lionel Richie
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Agreed, there's a noticeable drop off after these 7 guys, although guys like AD and KAT are coming for that top group hard.
Westbrook is excellent and this is very close, but if you had to pick one of these guys to take a last shot (or set one of his teammates up for a better shot), which one would you go with? This is hard to answer because Westbrook plays in such a shit team, but Harden just seems like a guy who might be a bigger sure thing.
Did Harden shoot his team out of games outside of Game 5, which Houston still won?
Gotdatmoney
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When the time comes for CP3 to be the floor general and lead his team to wins in series that actually matter he is nowhere to be found. He doesnt take over games. He has had huge huge bumbles in pivitol games. CP3 is a player with a great skillset that refuses to step up and dominate with it. MEH.
Harden is obviouy better than Westbrook.
Kyrie scored a lot. He had a great scoring series. That is his role so I dont hold it against him but this isn't "I dont mind lebron getting it". Kyrie was never ever in the running.
Yeah he is and again, the value Conley adds to his team is significantly higher than Kyrie. Kyrie cant run an offense. All Kyrie ca do is offense.
And the idea CP3 is better than Kawhi and Kawhi isnt top 5 is insane.
hydragonwarrior
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Raps in 7
Cavs don't have the length that Milwaukee does, they won't be able to limit the raps to under 100 a game like Milwaukee was doing. I think it's going to be a very close series, personally.
Milwaukee voted Hillary.
Starphoenix
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Looks like LMA and Green are no shows again. Kawhi and the corpse of Tony Parker are carrying this team right now.
That's your criteria for determining player value?
Spurs beat Cleveland earlier this year which is proof that Kawhi > LeBron!
Gotdatmoney
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Sweep? Lol Cavs gonna win that series. Raps at their best should be able to challenge Cleveland but as todays game showed its a mixed bag of performance all within the same game.
Cavs are no where near as good defensively as the Bucks. But their offense is so devasting. And the raps defend the 3 ball very poorly. If the Raps defend well they can make it an interesting series. But interestimg means Cavs in 6 with 6 close games. Its not going to 7.
Overall skill set.
With overall skill set, there's no way Kawhi is top 5. He's a role player.
Hyperactivity
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Kyrie is so fucking overrated it hurts. He scores in isolation pretty well. That's the main skill where he stands out like crazy. He has never accomplished anything without the best player in the league next to him, and his role on the Cavs is mostly just scoring, a valuable skill, yes, but also not one that is particularly unique in the NBA (arguably the most common one).
He's not better than Wall, he's not better than regular season Lowry, he's arguably not better than IT or Kemba. He's the youngest of them all, so that's ok. And yeah, he's probably the best fit next to Lebron of those names. But he is nowhere near the best point guard list
DeRozan sometimes whines about calls, but so does about every other NBA player. Dude doesn't have beef with any other NBA team as far as I know, is generally pretty quiet, right after he got his max contract immediately went to the gym, and generally isn't anywhere near a CP3 lite
Put Giannis and AD right outside, at 8 and 9. 10 is then a scramble between Wall, Butler, PG13, maybe even Draymond, or Conley. I give it to Wall.
Also, replying to Hitta about Kawhi is useless. I hate to say this supporting the Rockets, so hopefully we still win, but I think he changes his opinion in a Spurs - Rockets series
He's not better than Wall, he's not better than regular season Lowry, he's arguably not better than IT or Kemba. He's the youngest of them all, so that's ok. And yeah, he's probably the best fit next to Lebron of those names. But he is nowhere near the best point guard list
DeRozan sometimes whines about calls, but so does about every other NBA player. Dude doesn't have beef with any other NBA team as far as I know, is generally pretty quiet, right after he got his max contract immediately went to the gym, and generally isn't anywhere near a CP3 lite
Put Giannis and AD right outside, at 8 and 9. 10 is then a scramble between Wall, Butler, PG13, maybe even Draymond, or Conley. I give it to Wall.
Also, replying to Hitta about Kawhi is useless. I hate to say this supporting the Rockets, so hopefully we still win, but I think he changes his opinion in a Spurs - Rockets series
Peter Ian Staker
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Just because the trash bros think they are prime Kobe half the game doesn't mean the Bucks had good defense.
But... but Kahwi is probably the most well rounded basketball player in the NBA Hitta.
Nigga shut THE fuck up, please, you're making a goddamn fool of yourself
LeBron is, CP3 is 2nd. I don't know after that.
LyleLanley
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Because he isn't as good of a basketball player as Kawhi is at this point in time.
Please my friend, just have a respectful discussion. Just because I won't agree with you doesn't mean Kawhi is top 5.
Hyperactivity
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It's a shame you don't watch the game. Smh
Starphoenix
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Who was the Spurs guy saying he was fed up with LMA? I feel that frustration now. -__-
In what way? It's hard to tell if you or anyone here is being 100% serious.
He's better, to me at least.
Hyperactivity
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I mean, I agree, but dude...
EDIT:
I'm gonna quote Matt Bonner for a bit Hitta.
I don't agree Kawhi is MVP, although a part of me likes his case more than Westbrook's. He's had to save the Spurs' asses far too many times this season for me to say that the Spurs are good without him.
Not even making fun of you or anything, legitimately trying to help you understand this.
Gully State
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Haha what? Offensively the Spurs run their offense through Kawhi... Defensively he can lock down any 1-3 ...
LyleLanley
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To me James Young is the best NBA player.
You called him a Role Player.
A Role Player.
A role player is someone like Matt Bonner for the Spurs before he retired, Zaza, Cory Joseph
Not one of the best basketball players in the world
Not an all universe Defender
Not an All NBA PLAYER
Not a DPOY
Not his team's leading fucking scorer
Not the fucking reason his team has won any playoff games
Not the player averaging 32 points in the fucking playoffs rn
Phoenix RISING
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It was probably me shouting to the cosmos.
I wanted Conley in the offseason. Not a jump-shooting big.
The offense doesn't run through Kawhi, it's a team effort. His role isn't much different from Curry's.
He is a role player. Elite 3/D guy who isn't a bad isolation scorer as well.
1. The offense runs through Kawhi, most definitely
2. Name me a role player that can completely take over a game and be the team's leading/best scorer and best defender by a country fucking mile who is one of the best Two way players in the fucking league
Hyperactivity
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Wait, he just called Curry a role player, given that Curry has a similar role to Kawhi but his defense isn't even close to being as good
Ah you right, I guess the two time MVP(should be one but whatevs) is just a role player as well
Maybe Hitta doesn't know what the hell a Role Player is
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