NBA 2K9 Trailer + gameplay

I'll be going with Live 09 this year... 2K's game play and animation have been much better over the years, but it's just more of the same year after year... it's like 2K has grown so overconfident with their B-Ball dominance. I feel like EA got it right this year (hopefully). and that NBA DNA thing is just icing on the cake. Seriously....VC has like a gimped version of NBA DNA that they're doing in 2K, but it's just funny how lame it sounds compared to Live. Roster updates, and changes every day? I'm there... It'll be interesting to see if this starts a new trend in sports video games, using a statting agency and all... I'm going to go out on the limb and say this will be mandatory for all sports games from here on out.
 
JeffDowns said:
I'll be going with Live 09 this year... 2K's game play and animation have been much better over the years, but it's just more of the same year after year... it's like 2K has grown so overconfident with their B-Ball dominance. I feel like EA got it right this year (hopefully). and that NBA DNA thing is just icing on the cake. Seriously....VC has like a gimped version of NBA DNA that they're doing in 2K, but it's just funny how lame it sounds compared to Live. Roster updates, and changes every day? I'm there... It'll be interesting to see if this starts a new trend in sports video games, using a statting agency and all... I'm going to go out on the limb and say this will be mandatory for all sports games from here on out.
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really? you already played both games?
 
pheeniks said:
really? you already played both games?
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For me it comes to what you are used to. I am used to Live and last year's game was not as terrible as people here make it sound. I love the new Live demo and the DNA stuff sounds hot. I will be getting Live, if I don't like it I will try 2k. The biggest question for me is 360 or PS3.

I am not hating on 2k fans, just stating a preference.

This is from Pastapadre, yes I know he is a shill, lol -

I suspect that most people will find there is a curve to learning how to play this year. You can’t just run around to get open shots but you have to run plays or use features such as the Pick and Roll Control…and those take some time to get a feel for. Once you get comfortable with it though it is pretty satisfying. It feels like you really have to earn it every single possession.
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TheMissingLink said:
As a big fan of NBA 2k throughout the years, the formula is now stale. Those videos look JUST like 2k8. Just because they've produced a great engine doesn't mean they can continue to ride it for the 3rd year in a row. Goddamn.

I've been playing the hell out of the Live demo just because it's fresh. And this year, it's actually fun.

Oh, and Clark Kellogg was the worst commentator choice EVER.
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I agree, the new NBA Live 09 demo is pretty fucking rad and 2k9 looks the same (again) to me. If there isn't a lot of improvements somewhere else in 2k9 (not holding my breath, 2k8 felt worse than 2k7 to me) then Live 09 here I come. It feels really fresh and new (the demo). The 2k crew has been riding this train too long, and they almost seemed scared to change too much in fear of messing up what they had (the best bball game going). Well, you can also sit still too long and get long in the tooth while others catch up, or even pass you by. The Live DNA shit sounds incredible.
 
The problem with Live is that even 2k7 is better. Live is better this year, but the best iteration of Live is probably somewhere between 2k6/2k7 in quality.

Its prettier, has some good presentation, commentary, and updates, but at the end of the day that shit doesn't even matter of base gameplay isn't at a certain level.

I also saw the new menus for 2k9 and it looks great. Now if we can just get improved stadium sounds/commentary 2k would improve a lot from a presentation standpoint.
 
In all fairness, while NBA 2k is NBA 2k, 2k7 and 2k8 couldn't have possibly played any more different lol.

They pulled a 360 when it comes to the mentality you have to have when playing the game. It took me weeks to achieve a similar level of efficiency that i had in 2k7.

I both hope and not hope that the same happens this year.

WILDCARD, BITCHES!
 
I suspect that most people will find there is a curve to learning how to play this year. You can’t just run around to get open shots but you have to run plays or use features such as the Pick and Roll Control…and those take some time to get a feel for. Once you get comfortable with it though it is pretty satisfying. It feels like you really have to earn it every single possession.

This gets said every year...
 
shpankey said:
I agree, the new NBA Live 09 demo is pretty fucking rad and 2k9 looks the same (again) to me. If there isn't a lot of improvements somewhere else in 2k9 (not holding my breath, 2k8 felt worse than 2k7 to me) then Live 09 here I come. It feels really fresh and new (the demo). The 2k crew has been riding this train too long, and they almost seemed scared to change too much in fear of messing up what they had (the best bball game going). Well, you can also sit still too long and get long in the tooth while others catch up, or even pass you by. The Live DNA shit sounds incredible.
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Thank god I'm not the only one!

To me, it's going to be how FIFA and PES was last year, or maybe the year before. 2k is getting too complacent while the always-inferior product is evolving and bringing it.
 
shpankey said:
I agree, the new NBA Live 09 demo is pretty fucking rad and 2k9 looks the same (again) to me. If there isn't a lot of improvements somewhere else in 2k9 (not holding my breath, 2k8 felt worse than 2k7 to me) then Live 09 here I come. It feels really fresh and new (the demo). The 2k crew has been riding this train too long, and they almost seemed scared to change too much in fear of messing up what they had (the best bball game going). Well, you can also sit still too long and get long in the tooth while others catch up, or even pass you by. The Live DNA shit sounds incredible.
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I'm not sure how you guys think 2k9's roster update system is gimped compared to live DNA? The guys at 2K are going to release updates that include new motion cap animations on top of stat boosts. So, if a certain played developed a unique shot over the offseason, it'll be included in roster updates.
 
Its weird, its like people really want to play Live on principle over 2K. Like, "2K hasnt improved enough so im switching for this shitty game" I dont get it.

Same happens with Fifa and PES, as soon as PES isnt fuckawesome sauce people jump ship, why does EA get the benefit of the doubt when they have never been as consistent as Konami or 2ksports?
 
I wish 2K would release a damn demo this year. Live 09 had a wonderful demo that really shows off the new approach to play calling and pick and roll action.

I'm so impressed that I now think that Live is now a worthy competitor to the 2K series, and for the first time in years; I'm taking a serious look at which game is the one to own this year.

Decisions, decisions....
 
Shawnwhann said:
I wish 2K would release a damn demo this year. Live 09 had a wonderful demo that really shows off the new approach to play calling and pick and roll action.

I'm so impressed that I now think that Live is now a worthy competitor to the 2K series, and for the first time in years; I'm taking a serious look at which game is the one to own this year.

Decisions, decisions....
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I have played the SHIT out of the LIVE demo and I am going to buy the game. 2K has waited too long - I'm used to LIVE and I'm enjoying the gameplay. A lot
 
I thought the Live demo was ass, but I have been playing 2k for the last 3 years. Plus for me it is the dynasty mode that makes me buy a game or not. 2Ks sounds sooo much deeper hands downs...

But I might pick up Live for the PS3 just to have both on different systems..
 
I have also jumped on Live this year. The demo is so much fun. I've played it way too much already. Still waiting on the 2k9 demo to see if I'll stick with Live this year though.
 
I can't see how anybody can think Live 09 is anywhere close NBA 2k8 or NBA 2k7. I just went back to play the demo, and the game is complete shit. Haven't you noticed the compeltely ackward rim and ball physics? The TERRIBLE rim and net sounds? It doesn't look at all realistic. The shooting mechanic is the same random crap as before, very little to do with release. This isnt even the problem, the problem is how ackward all the freaking shots look. Onto the graphics, the player models look nice, but overly glossy. The crowds have nothing on 2K9 this year.

And there's just something about Live 09 that just looks off. The lighting of the arena, the player animations, SOMETHING, looks completely off. 2K8 has slightly more polygonal and blurry graphics, but somehow manages to look better, because they nailed the lighting of the arenas perfectly. 2K9 has awsome crowd noise, and arena noise. The rims and ball physics are also much superior to Live 09. The overall broadcast presentation (commentary aside) is much more real life looking in 2K.

Overall the Live 09 gameplay just feels sluggish, for lack of a better word. The controls are nearly identical, and it still can't touch 2K. 2k has my right analog shot, iso motion on the left stick, it seems like a waste on the right stick in Live.

And one final thing for people talking about LIVE DNA and that bullshit. Who gives a shit when 2K is going to have daily updates as well, with the EXACT same DNA shit. All the DNA is is the player rating. They will fluctuate online, whatever, big deal.

I honestly can't imagine someone saying the Live 09 demo is "good" 2k9 wipes the floor with it. I can't wait
 
everyone who says live is gonna be better this year please go back to page 1 and watch the trailer.
 
oh my god saw some new videos of 2k9 and it now has crowd cheers for individual teams I was watching a Hornets game and the crowd chanting "LETS GO HORNETS!!" Awsome, that's just what I wanted.
 
I suspect that most people will find there is a curve to learning how to play this year. You can’t just run around to get open shots but you have to run plays or use features such as the Pick and Roll Control…and those take some time to get a feel for. Once you get comfortable with it though it is pretty satisfying. It feels like you really have to earn it every single possession.
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So Live has caught up to what 2k was doing 3 years ago?
 
VindicatorZ said:
I can't see how anybody can think Live 09 is anywhere close NBA 2k8 or NBA 2k7. I just went back to play the demo, and the game is complete shit. Haven't you noticed the compeltely ackward rim and ball physics? The TERRIBLE rim and net sounds? It doesn't look at all realistic. The shooting mechanic is the same random crap as before, very little to do with release. This isnt even the problem, the problem is how ackward all the freaking shots look. Onto the graphics, the player models look nice, but overly glossy. The crowds have nothing on 2K9 this year.

And there's just something about Live 09 that just looks off. The lighting of the arena, the player animations, SOMETHING, looks completely off. 2K8 has slightly more polygonal and blurry graphics, but somehow manages to look better, because they nailed the lighting of the arenas perfectly. 2K9 has awsome crowd noise, and arena noise. The rims and ball physics are also much superior to Live 09. The overall broadcast presentation (commentary aside) is much more real life looking in 2K.

Overall the Live 09 gameplay just feels sluggish, for lack of a better word. The controls are nearly identical, and it still can't touch 2K. 2k has my right analog shot, iso motion on the left stick, it seems like a waste on the right stick in Live.

And one final thing for people talking about LIVE DNA and that bullshit. Who gives a shit when 2K is going to have daily updates as well, with the EXACT same DNA shit. All the DNA is is the player rating. They will fluctuate online, whatever, big deal.

I honestly can't imagine someone saying the Live 09 demo is "good" 2k9 wipes the floor with it. I can't wait
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:lol

I don't think I've read such a "shit" laden post in a good long while. To my point...

Obviously you have strong feelings about how horrible Live 09 is and I won't try and sway you on that.

I love the 2K series as well as evidenced by my participation in the past four official GAF leagues (I'm the reigning champ BTW...sorry Smokey!). I don't think anyone can dispute that 2K has been asleep at the wheel, so to speak, with implementing new game changing mechanics to stay on top. Though the 2K gameplay has been historically good, the same old annoyances and glitches from years ago are still in the game (i.e. half court passing, stealing in bounds passes, excessive dunking etc.)

As a stalwart 2K fan, it takes a few games to essentially divorce yourself from how the game of basketball is played from a mechanics and instinctual perspective. If you try and play this game like 2K, you'll hate it because it isn't acting how you want it to. The pace is slower and more realistic and you have to work for your points a bit harder by running plays. The spacing in the Lakers triangle offense is wonderful showcasing the room Kobe has on the weak side post when he's isolated. Playcalling is easy and intuitive and executing play are very easy in this version of Live. Not to mention the three pick and roll options really blow open some great new strategic approaches

I disagree on most of your critique, but going blow by blow on them is something that I don't have the energy to do. We can agree to disagree, but the general consensus is that Live is now a welcome threat to the b-ball crown. More competition yields better products, so I'm stoked to see how far Live has come!
 
the arguments in this thread are awesome.

2k has the best basketball game, but since it's gradually improving and not completely redesigning itself its seen as stagnant
Live has the shittiest gameplay, but continually adds in some interesting features that dont improve the core gameplay and it's suddenly awesome.

smh
 
VindicatorZ said:
oh my god saw some new videos of 2k9 and it now has crowd cheers for individual teams I was watching a Hornets game and the crowd chanting "LETS GO HORNETS!!" Awsome, that's just what I wanted.
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They did that last year kinda

Play in the Spurs arena and it's faint go spurs go chant

pilonv1 said:
the arguments in this thread are awesome.

2k has the best basketball game, but since it's gradually improving and not completely redesigning itself its seen as stagnant
Live has the shittiest gameplay, but continually adds in some interesting features that dont improve the core gameplay and it's suddenly awesome.

smh
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I'm getting both

TP on the cover and the auto updates for Live. The gameplay for 2K.
 
lol in 2k8 you gotta run plays to score too (or manipulate movement on your own to mimic a play).....and it's about the same speed as live 09. Driving to the hole works as well as it does in 2k.

At the end of the day they seem to be relatively similiar until it comes to controls....that obviously aint gonna change for either of em.
 
Just a quick poll -- did people prefer 2k7 or 2k8?

My vote was 2k7. By a mile.

I think the general consensus was the same -- that 2k7 was the pinnacle -- and while 2k8 changed some things for the better, the new animations really disturbed the flow. I used to be a die hard 2k fan, but last year's game just didn't work for me in any way. I'm really hoping 2k9 irons out a lot of the flaws 2k8 brought to the series, but after looking over the videos, it seems very similar.
 
2k9 will be beast this year. The best bball game the last few years has been choops and now that hoops series has been stopped 2k probably has some of those guys working on nba 2k.

College hoops 2k8 is the best bball game ever made and one of the best sports games ever made.
 
Shawnwhann said:
I wish 2K would release a damn demo this year. Live 09 had a wonderful demo that really shows off the new approach to play calling and pick and roll action.

I'm so impressed that I now think that Live is now a worthy competitor to the 2K series, and for the first time in years; I'm taking a serious look at which game is the one to own this year.

Decisions, decisions....
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wat
 
pilonv1 said:
the arguments in this thread are awesome.

2k has the best basketball game, but since it's gradually improving and not completely redesigning itself its seen as stagnant
Live has the shittiest gameplay, but continually adds in some interesting features that dont improve the core gameplay and it's suddenly awesome.

smh
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Your post is full of Palin, but it you're free to spend your dollars how you see fit. IMHO, the 2K engine has been the same since about 2K6 with some tweaks. The fact the same issues with the engine are plaguing the game as it is today is problematic to me. The hyperbole over how Live's new features don't directly impact gameplay is hogwash. The playcalling, pick and roll, success percentages, 365 updates, NBA Rewind, 5v5 online play are all great bells and whistles that should have any b-ball fan excited.

To each his own though....
 
Shawnwhann said:
Your post is full of Palin, but it you're free to spend your dollars how you see fit. IMHO, the 2K engine has been the same since about 2K6 with some tweaks. The fact the same issues with the engine are plaguing the game as it is today is problematic to me. The hyperbole over how Live's new features don't directly impact gameplay is hogwash. The playcalling, pick and roll, success percentages, 365 updates, NBA Rewind, 5v5 online play are all great bells and whistles that should have any b-ball fan excited.

To each his own though....
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I would suggest taking those thoughts to the Live thread. If you aren't going to buy 2K9, instead of selling Live in the 2k thread.. Since this is a 2k thread.
 
Shawnwhann said:
Your post is full of Palin, but it you're free to spend your dollars how you see fit. IMHO, the 2K engine has been the same since about 2K6 with some tweaks. The fact the same issues with the engine are plaguing the game as it is today is problematic to me. The hyperbole over how Live's new features don't directly impact gameplay is hogwash. The playcalling, pick and roll, success percentages, 365 updates, NBA Rewind, 5v5 online play are all great bells and whistles that should have any b-ball fan excited.

To each his own though....
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while that stuff is cool n' all....you can't blame people for ignoring stuff thats been around for a while....some of which weren't even good selling points in the first place.

At the end of the day the real sell is DNA. Which I was massively amped for.........until i saw the limitations.

I get the impression you're gunning for a refresher course. Thats cool too...
I'm like break out the leeludallasmultipass but...to each his/her own.
 
Shawnwhann said:
Your post is full of Palin, but it you're free to spend your dollars how you see fit. IMHO, the 2K engine has been the same since about 2K6 with some tweaks. The fact the same issues with the engine are plaguing the game as it is today is problematic to me. The hyperbole over how Live's new features don't directly impact gameplay is hogwash. The playcalling, pick and roll, success percentages, 365 updates, NBA Rewind, 5v5 online play are all great bells and whistles that should have any b-ball fan excited.

To each his own though....
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I'm trying to figure out if you're joking or not.
 
VindicatorZ said:
I can't see how anybody can think Live 09 is anywhere close NBA 2k8 or NBA 2k7. I just went back to play the demo, and the game is complete shit. Haven't you noticed the compeltely ackward rim and ball physics? The TERRIBLE rim and net sounds? It doesn't look at all realistic. The shooting mechanic is the same random crap as before, very little to do with release. This isnt even the problem, the problem is how ackward all the freaking shots look. Onto the graphics, the player models look nice, but overly glossy. The crowds have nothing on 2K9 this year.

And there's just something about Live 09 that just looks off. The lighting of the arena, the player animations, SOMETHING, looks completely off. 2K8 has slightly more polygonal and blurry graphics, but somehow manages to look better, because they nailed the lighting of the arenas perfectly. 2K9 has awsome crowd noise, and arena noise. The rims and ball physics are also much superior to Live 09. The overall broadcast presentation (commentary aside) is much more real life looking in 2K.

Overall the Live 09 gameplay just feels sluggish, for lack of a better word. The controls are nearly identical, and it still can't touch 2K. 2k has my right analog shot, iso motion on the left stick, it seems like a waste on the right stick in Live.

And one final thing for people talking about LIVE DNA and that bullshit. Who gives a shit when 2K is going to have daily updates as well, with the EXACT same DNA shit. All the DNA is is the player rating. They will fluctuate online, whatever, big deal.

I honestly can't imagine someone saying the Live 09 demo is "good" 2k9 wipes the floor with it. I can't wait
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This.
Layup/dunk button? wtf
 
i do agree though. live's playcalling feature felt great. all the lakers plays looked realistic

however, the shooting and player animations felt clunky. that to me is my biggest turn off
 
Blackace said:
I would suggest taking those thoughts to the Live thread. If you aren't going to buy 2K9, instead of selling Live in the 2k thread.. Since this is a 2k thread.
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To be fair, I'll probably end up getting both versions. In addition, I started by referencing how I wished a demo for 2K9 was being released. I'm only defending myself against people calling me crazy to suggest the b-ball choice is a no brainer this year...
 
One quirk I found annoying in NBA 2K the last two years is in regards to the charge calls.

In 2K7 on offense it is impossible to drive to the basket without getting called for a charge. In 2K8 it is the opposite with it being impossible to draw a charge while playing on D. Anyone else notice that? Or am I doing something wrong? Hopefully there is a finer balance.

Another observation I have made is the difference gameplay-wise between 2k7 for PS3 and 360.

I originally got it for original Xbox and it was great. Then got a PS3 so I rented 2K7 for it. Besides the graphics. It definitely felt different, a little less arcadey. A few months later I got a 360 and picked up 2k7 for it on the cheap. I assumed it would be exactly like the PS3 version but it felt and played more like the Xbox version than the PS3 version. I know 2k7 for PS3 came out quite a few months later than the 360 version but I assumed it was a straight port. However the different feel makes me suspect they were implementing some of the 2k8 changes into it. Anybody else notice that? Just found that a bit peculiar and interesting.

Have only played 2K8 on 360, and it definitely more closely resembles PS3 2k7 than 360 2k7.

Other than that, the core gameplay is great. Love 2K. Trailer looks cool. Definitely picking up 2k9 over Live 09 even though I found the Live demo quite enjoyable.
 
pheeniks said:
i do agree though. live's playcalling feature felt great. all the lakers plays looked realistic

however, the shooting and player animations felt clunky. that to me is my biggest turn off
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Well 2K is suppose to have that as well.. the team is suppose to run plays unless you tell them to run something else.. should be cool.. the next step will be to have coaching styles (if it isn't in there already) Because Utah isn't Utah without Sloan.. and the Suns most likely aren't running and gunning this year without Mike D..
 
Maybe I'm imagining things, but I thought I read somewhere they're going to have 10 player online (5v5 with each player controller by a human). Can anyone confirm?
 
drthkid said:
One quirk I found annoying in NBA 2K the last two years is in regards to the charge calls.

In 2K7 on offense it is impossible to drive to the basket without getting called for a charge. In 2K8 it is the opposite with it being impossible to draw a charge while playing on D. Anyone else notice that? Or am I doing something wrong? Hopefully there is a finer balance.

Another observation I have made is the difference gameplay-wise between 2k7 for PS3 and 360.

I originally got it for original Xbox and it was great. Then got a PS3 so I rented 2K7 for it. Besides the graphics. It definitely felt different, a little less arcadey. A few months later I got a 360 and picked up 2k7 for it on the cheap. I assumed it would be exactly like the PS3 version but it felt and played more like the Xbox version than the PS3 version. I know 2k7 for PS3 came out quite a few months later than the 360 version but I assumed it was a straight port. However the different feel makes me suspect they were implementing some of the 2k8 changes into it. Anybody else notice that? Just found that a bit peculiar and interesting.

Have only played 2K8 on 360, and it definitely more closely resembles PS3 2k7 than 360 2k7.

Other than that, the core gameplay is great. Love 2K. Trailer looks cool. Definitely picking up 2k9 over Live 09 even though I found the Live demo quite enjoyable.
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Did you play with the sliders? Out of the box 2k8 was ok.. once you tweaked the sliders the game was awesome!
 
I think this year it is a no brainer. The ackward shooting animation and the ridiculous rim/ball physics of Live 09 are an instant turn off. Do you see what I'm talking about in the demo, how utterly unrealistic it looks? 2K8 looks like a real NBA game down to the way the ball goes through the net, in Live, it looks ackward.

The Celtic arena in the Live 09 demo looked off. The lighting is off. The wood looks too dark. In 2k9 it's accurately represented, really bright wood, bright lights, lights reflecting off the wood. Much improved crowds, crowds waving towels and signs in their hands. It just looks better. Live doesn't capture the same feel.

The layup/dunk button is kinda stupid but whatever, I simply enjoy shooting with the right analog stick. I just can't see one thing that Live does better than 2k in gameplay.
 
drthkid said:
One quirk I found annoying in NBA 2K the last two years is in regards to the charge calls.

In 2K7 on offense it is impossible to drive to the basket without getting called for a charge. In 2K8 it is the opposite with it being impossible to draw a charge while playing on D. Anyone else notice that? Or am I doing something wrong? Hopefully there is a finer balance.
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A friend and I can draw charges a lot in 2k8, at least online. I don't think I've ever seen it outside the paint, if that's what you're trying. But definitely not impossible. Are you pressing the pick button to draw it? They'll call blocking about half the time though.
 
VindicatorZ said:
I think this year it is a no brainer. The ackward shooting animation and the ridiculous rim/ball physics of Live 09 are an instant turn off. Do you see what I'm talking about in the demo, how utterly unrealistic it looks? 2K8 looks like a real NBA game down to the way the ball goes through the net, in Live, it looks ackward.

The Celtic arena in the Live 09 demo looked off. The lighting is off. The wood looks too dark. In 2k9 it's accurately represented, really bright wood, bright lights, lights reflecting off the wood. Much improved crowds, crowds waving towels and signs in their hands. It just looks better. Live doesn't capture the same feel.

The layup/dunk button is kinda stupid but whatever, I simply enjoy shooting with the right analog stick. I just can't see one thing that Live does better than 2k in gameplay.
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I'd provide a retort but Blackace was pretty clear that Live 09 talk is something he's not particularly interested in seeing here in this thread...
 
The ackward shooting animation and the ridiculous rim/ball physics of Live 09 are an instant turn off.
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Agreed, and the rebounding is difficult because of it. I still remember the first year 2k nailed the rim/ball physics, I would spend so much time watching the arc of shots and how they traveled and interacted with the rim. It was magical.

They still cant get LONG rebounds correct out but it's almost perfect.
 
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