RellyRell28
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Bucks that year would of at least took two of the Lakers
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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.
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Bucks that year would of at least took two of the Lakers
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Wonder what ends first One Piece or Cleveland sports championship drought?
im not even trying to argue that those bottom half east teams are good or anything, they are all pretty shit tbh, but so are the the wests. You can't sit here and tell me that the West would sweep the east. If you have some unknown data to look at, like some advnaced statistics stuff, then please share it with me, but you guys are literally making 0 efforts to actually bring a piece of evidence to the table
That's why they lost to the Sixers in the playoffs
That's why they lost to the Sixers in the playoffs
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
LOL dont know how i didn't see that one coming
You are all over the place..a mess. So first you wanted an explanation about as to why some statistics were so baffling to you about Portland, since apparently you watch stats and not the actual games. I guess I'm not going to get a genuine response from you to that since that was a weak attempt at misdirection and discrediting the notion that West is a much tougher conference. Please stop, it's embarrassing. It's clear you have no clue whatsoever outside of some random stats you pulled out just to argue for the sake of arguing, about many western conference teams.
Oh and Philly is in the eastern conference fyi. And 1/6 the league would still be 5 teams >_> Like I said, mental gymnastics. So in a league where 1/6th are trying to lose as you say, why is Cavs and the Eastern playoffs still hot garbage? Why does it bother you so much that Blazers, a team in rebuild mode, still played better than almost all Eastern conference top teams so far?
And Portland played GSW better than this half ass shit Cavs are pulling and I say this as someone who actually expected more of a fight.
Eh, doubtful. I'm a bit worried because Love might not play in Game 3 and I think having him on the court helps GSW. The Warriors will always get easier baskets than the Cavs and in the incredibly rare event that they don't, they are more likely to shoot better. I think that Cleveland will get a ton of calls at home, but you can tell that they're mentally fragile whereas the Warriors see it as a game when they're down 15. Anyway, there's no reason that the Warriors shouldn't sweep this team all things considered.
Fivethirtyeight currently has it as a 50/50 shot either way which means I got good value from my +1.
jordan0386
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Oscar Robertson 8:05est on Mike & Mike Monday morning.
Be there!
Be there!
Mental gymanstics... yeah, the mental gymanstics of a 44-38 team that went 15-15 against the worst conference to ever exist is mental gymnastics. Apparently using basic statistical evidence is mental gymnastics
another funny thing about the Sixers now thatt you mentioned it, is the fact that the Sixers won 7 games against the west and only 3 against the east!
Look, as a super logical human being, i'd take that bet in an instant (I don't gamble at all) but im just saying that looks like a Cleveland line to me tbh
ProvenDeadly
Member
The key to beating the Warriors is to physically assault them. Back in my day we played on broken limbs!
RellyRell28
Banned
Cause Stern made the call when the Bucks was up 2-1 and realized "Oh shit the Bucks are actually capable of winning the series".
The Blazers were in a rebuild year and at a whopping 44-38 still managed to pull a 5th seed. This is exactly why people are questioning the depth of the Western Conference this year. That's not mental gymnastics.
Or maybe the Sixers were just the better team. I don't know, unless you have something as damning as the Kings Lakers series, I have a hard time believing you.
Yes and Blazers whooped your Eastern conference champs ass too. Selective stats and all that. Please tell me you're not trying to showcase the sixers as some great competitive team just to blindly support your argument. They were a historically terrible team which barely avoided setting a new record for being how shitty they were
I already explained the stat line number. Rebuild team with about 10 new players in the roster takes time. That record would have looked even better. Do you want to keep parroting the same thing over and over again to cover for the pathetic display that was the Raptors in the 'post' season or you want to come up with some actual argument? Like I said, I guess I can't expect more from you since you watch stats (even that just now I guess lol) and not the actual games.
Oh and guess which conference had two of the greatest teams in the history of NBA this season...hint: Not the one Raptors played in.
Again it's not hard to understand. Spurs and GSW were historically great teams...East had 'ZERO' of those in that conference. Which is why focusing on the stats and not the actual performances is stupid.
Why did the Blazers have a better record against the West then the East this year? You have literally ignored that point
Also, basic statistics like W/L record is the most complex thing to understand, I dedicate myself to this complex statistical analysis, and it takes away so much time that I have no time to ever watch basketball games. You brought up the Sixers too bro
You have literally brought 0 evidence to the table. Like, im not even trying to imply that the Eastern conferences lower half of their playoff teams were good. They were mediocre, just like the West.
Like, this isn't fucking 2010 anymore
scoobs
Member
You couldn't pay me to listen to Mike and Mike. I'll get the summary from Russillo and Kanell I'm sure. Russillo is going to have a field day.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
As someone born in Chicago I REALLY cannot stand Lebron James so I am really enjoying this beatdown. The Bulls might suck now, but as long Cleveland does not win anything it's a consolation prize.
I will cheer for any other team against Lebron.
I will cheer for any other team against Lebron.
Red Blaster
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i already thoroughly embarrassed boom's unrelentingly terrible logic in the last thread
glad fellow woke ass basketbros are dressing down this joker
glad fellow woke ass basketbros are dressing down this joker
Who cares? You're asking me why Blazers has a better record against opponents that are considered to be much tougher in the Western conference? I mean what are you even arguing here? Is the fact that Blazers whooped Cavs butt mean they are better than them? Maybe I should ask you to explain that too. Apparently it's super important.
I have not literally ignored it. I replied to your first post with an easy to understand answer. Blazers finally clicked and went crazy post all star break. That and depending on scheduling the answer could vary.
and 'bro', I know W/L can be complex to understand. But you know why? Because to truly understand the journey a team had to go through to get to that number is only known IF you actually watch the games. Something I'm guessing you're not that familiar with because you have yet to actually refute anything I said and keep harping the same nonsense.
Let me ask you this directly to stop your gymnastics,
Did or Did not the Blazers play better in the post season than the Raptors? Simple as that. Let's see how much you actually watched the games. The first few rounds of EC playoffs were a snorefest
JR is the common factor
I'm dying..... This is hilarious
Even though in context it was Carmelo with a concussion
I don't even remember you. Who are you? If you want to resort to personal insults I suggest finding some third class place to entertain your needs.
The Warriors and Spurs were historically great teams. OKC, when not underachieving, might be the most dangerous team in the NBA. And the Clippers still have a loaded roster when healthy. No one is questioning the top half of the West bracket. However, there was a pretty severe drop-off after that top half as evidenced by a rebuilding, slightly above .500 team getting a fifth seed. And the Blazers are the only team from the bottom half of that bracket that looked remotely competitive. It is entirely possible to believe that the West is a superior conference while also believing that the West is not better top-to-bottom this year. All available evidence suggests this to be the case, including the eye-test.
Considering one team made it to the conference finals and the other didn't, i'd say the raptors played better.
Also, the only good series were basically Thunder Spurs, and the Thunder Warriors. Those were outside of the shit show we are talking about.
PeregrinSe7en
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same with lyle lanley
these east coasters upset with a western team having a historic season makes me lol
btw this warriors team would slaughter any celtics championship team if you made a time machine and had them play each other. no contest
oh I don't think we are actually disagreeing then. I agree, West isn't better top to bottom at all..I mean we had the Lakers and a very disappointing Pels team this year too. My argument was aimed at the users attempt to undermine the Blazers performance in the post season etc based on the regular season outcome and the placement. As you said with GSW/OKC/SPURS will skew those numbers greatly. Outside of Cavs I don't think any Eastern conference team fits that grouping. But I agree, it's not a top to bottom difference because West had plenty of bad teams as well.
Come on now. Tell me, did you see them 'play' in the post season? They were terrible most of the time. If they played like that in the Western conference they won't make it past the first round. PG almost single handedly beat them with a relatively average Pacers team. I mean even Raptors fans were pissed and were asking for DeRozan to be traded etc.
and no even the Grizz series was better simply for the fact how much heart they showed that series. I have new found respect for those players and that organization after this post season. Again, you need to watch the games to know this. I watched each and every one of these series.
diffusionx
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As others have said, James has the coach he wants, the roster he wants, and everyone is healthy. This Cavs team is his team. If he can't get it done, it's on him. The idea that Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson are "no real help" is silly, especially when he wanted all 3 of those guys.
Well the Celtics played in a world where 10 three point attempts a game was outrageous and anybody driving to the basket was basically ass raped. Impossible to say.
The Blazers are a pretty mediocre team by practically every measure you can think of. Yes, they played well after the all star break, cool beans, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they went 15-15 against the east and 44-38 total.
The blazers were, by practically every metric, were pretty mediocre. If they weren't mediocre, they'd have done more then what they did in the playoffs. Like, you are what you are, there's obvious rooms for growth for the Blazers, but man, this is literally like arguing that a 9-7 team is great because they won 4 games to end the season. Like dude, they still went 9-7
Im so impressed with the Blazers beating of an injury riddled clippers team and losing 4-1 against the warriors.
He simply doesn't have the right personnel. Whether he vouched for them still doesn't hide their deficiencies
On a side note, I wonder if Steph has another historical season next season.
There is no helping you. If you think Blazers are a mediocre team then god help every team outside of Cavs in the eastern conference. And again, do you understand what a rebuild year means with around 10 players being new? The whole league understands how special it was. Sticking to that one type of stat is not going to let you see reason. So going to the second round in the Western conference in a rebuild year is mediocre. God I hope Cavs don't lose 4 straight to GSW. Because they embarrassed Cavs twice now with Curry and Klay not even going god mode as they usually did this season. Imagine if the Cavs do worse (they have so far) than the 'mediocre' blazers in these finals. What does that say really? It's your argument, not mine
FYI, I wanted Cavs to win this. One of my best buds is a HUGE cavs fan and god knows that city could use a break from the sporting gods. Let's see.
No helping you. Like I said you watch stats and not the games. Because if you watched the games you would know better..you don't. I must have really hit a nerve with the Raptor comments or something. oh and Blazers were leading game 4 of that series with the Clips when CP got injured which most def helped the cause. And I hope for your sake Cavs will do a better job in the rest of the finals, especially at home. Because going by your logic, I don't want to be in your shoes if they continue get their asses kicked and end with a worse series than GSW-Blazers.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I am pretty sure the Blazers would have destroyed the Hawks, and Portland could have peeled at least one if not two from the Cavs.
Still on him, because he built the team. It's not 2007 anymore. They have the highest payroll in the league too IIRC. If he doesn't have any real help, it's his fault.
Plus, he's not exactly playing well. He looks completely flummoxed by the Warriors D in a way he was not last year.
Still on him, because he built the team. It's not 2007 anymore. They have the highest payroll in the league too IIRC. If he doesn't have any real help, it's his fault.
Plus, he's not exactly playing well. He looks completely flummoxed by the Warriors D in a way he was not last year.
Boombloxer
Member
Nah, this narrative doesn't hold for great players, especially when it's happened more than once.
The narrative is simpler. Can't finish. I've heard the no help line of logic forever, and it only happens when he loses, and not when they sweep the Hawks. FOH with that.
jordan0386
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He has the right personnel for every team except Warriors.
GSW is gonna hit at a 50 percent clip where the rest of the league is working at 40-45 clip.
You're more often than not gonna miss ur 2s. Where they are more likely than not gonna hit their 3s.
Warriors have this league on notice. Only answer is for an elite team to trade for Devin Booker. His jumper is the fire to matchup.
GSW is gonna hit at a 50 percent clip where the rest of the league is working at 40-45 clip.
You're more often than not gonna miss ur 2s. Where they are more likely than not gonna hit their 3s.
Warriors have this league on notice. Only answer is for an elite team to trade for Devin Booker. His jumper is the fire to matchup.
You're touching on a real argument that needs to be addressed.
Do front offices (GM, etc...) win championships or do players win championships?
Maybe the Warriors stepped up their game against better competition
maybe some teams are better built to handle other teams
matchups exist in the NBA, and the cavs are a bad matchup for the warriors
Maybe you should actually bring a liteal piece of evidence to the table, because you've done a shit job of trying to convince anyone. Im not even hating on the Blazers. They're pretty mediocre as an NBA team with a lot of room to grow, and one of the best young PG's in the league. That still doesn't take away from their mediocrity.
All I ask is for one piece of evidence, all you've said is THE BLAZERS WERE GOOD POST ALL STAR BREAK which doesnt really mean much since a lot of teams are really good post all star break (this is usually when teams to start to actively lose even more on purpose and sit their "injured" players) and LILLARD AND MCCOLLUM WOULD CRUSH LOWRY AND DEROZAN which is also funny because the Raptors won the season series 2-1 against the Blazers.
To be fair, while he wanted him as the coach, is Lue really a good coach? I'm not convinced personally.
This will be my last msg to you since I need to get some shut eye before morning. lol u r so mad for some reason and I don't even understand why. Bad match up doesn't excuse getting beat by 33 points...unless it does to you.
Cavs have yet to actually face a true god mode Curry/Klay this finals too to boot. The first game was lost simply with the help of the bench for example. As for convincing, plenty of people have spoken on behalf of Blazer this thread. Most likely they have watched the games unlike you. I can't rewind time and make you watch the games lol. And I think you got your own stat wrong. Raptors won that series 2-0. THe second game which was after all star break was in Toronto iirc, and Raptors won it by 2. There, I even helped you a bit haha guess you won't care about the 'rebuild' issue and how the team got way better as the season went on with wins against some of the best teams anyways, even if the rest of the league agrees with that. And Raptors played like hot garbage compared to their regular season games mind you, if you watched the games you would know this
You actually think Raptors played better in the playoffs than the Blazers. I repeat, they would have been lucky to make it past round 1 in the West. That's how bad they were and PG on his own won that series.
Like, im not even saying that the Raptors would be an absolute lock to beat the Blazers either here, the Raptors are just a better team by every single statistical measure you can find. This isn't to say that lillard couldn't put the team on his back and surprise the raptors or something else
jordan0386
Member
You're only as good as your players. And the Cavs showed out the first 3 rounds.
There's nothing Lue can do now. You can't just change your whole offense in a day to support two weeks.
The Cavs are gonna have to hit 15 threes in the Q. And it most likely won't happen because the Cavs offense is just too basic for the level of defensive talent the Warriors have.
And the idea that I only watch for statistics is the silliest thing on earth, it's not like im bringing in advanced team stats or anything, even if I just watched every game these two teams played, i'd figure out that one team had a much better record then the other team. Like, even if I didn't pay attention to stats, that's pretty damning evidence
The Cavs should have been getting ready for the Warriors all season. They had a year to figure them out, not two weeks. I know people like Zach Lowe were questioning their rotations (Love at the 5) while they were cruising against Detroit and Atlanta because that lineup wouldn't work against GS.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This is ridiculous
don't go 44-38 then if you don't want to be mediocre
you are what you are, it's not like im making stuff up here. They're a mediocre NBA team. This isn't a hot take
lol now you are talking to yourself. Tell you what, let's stop it here ok. Let's agree to disagree or something
Fair enough and good points. Can't disregard his coaching just based on this series.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It's still ridiculous. Repeating it over and over again won't bestow upon it an air of verisimilitude.
Nobody paying attention that team doing what it did this year would use the word "mediocre" to describe it.
Your argument is terrible.
RellyRell28
Banned
Yup someone didn't watch that series or is a Sixers fan. You don't have to believe me at all. That's just what I picked up from that series. You could of very well ignored the post and move on. I'm just pretty much calling it how I saw it. Nothing you're gonna say is gonna change my mind on the subject.
So literal evidence to you is wrong because reasons, gotcha, I disagree with your assessment that literal evidence is wrong.
why did they go 44-38 then? shouldnt a better team do better then that?
I mean, this series happened 15 year ago? Unless you've watched it multiple times since then, I think it's more likely that maybe, you're being the homer? But no, im the homer because the Sixers won the series?
MezzoForte
Member
not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's more of the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqLg5JgJdc
Might as well talk to a wall mate. No use cuz apparently those numbers tell the whole story about any team lol Not sure why we are even actually watching the games,
Anywho Good night NBA GAF. See you next game (I don't want the NBA season to endddddd aaaaaah)
No I'm saying that to stop you from talking/ranting to yourself lol It's funny but I don't want to continue if you're going to have a mini meltdown over it. Not worth it. See you all next game. Gd night
jordan0386
Member
Cavs are fine, they just can't beat the Warriors.
LeBron doesn't have the shooting ability to keep up.
we watch the games to see them win, one team won 44 games games out of an 82 game season. That's pretty mediocre if you ask me
And im sorry that statistics and evidence are the basis for any argument. I know this is tough for you to comprehend, hot takes are the only thing that guide you.
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