BadAss2961
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Problem is they're not fine if they can't beat the Warriors. They're a championship or bust team.
One way or another, the roster's gonna be very different next year if they lose this series.
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One way or another, the roster's gonna be very different next year if they lose this series.
Gully State
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LyleLanley
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I did what now? Also your hypothetical scenario is stupid.
Bobby Roberts
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Why are you literally the only person I've even seen on the internet use the term "mediocre" to describe them? Mediocre-to-bad is what they were supposed to be this year. That's not what they were, though.
You are the outlier here. I'm not making that up, as you might say.
If your argument is simply pointing at the record, it's a terrible argument and going "It's the 12th best record! That's almost 15th. That's exactly half of 30! There's 30 teams in the league. That's mediocre!" doesn't make it all that solid. You have to actually watch the team play basketball. By watching the games, you would be able to collect the "literal evidence" you so strongly desire instead of asking for someone to gift it to you on a forum so you can wad it up and throw it over your shoulder anyway while shrugging with a thumb hiked back towards the standings like "didn't read lol"
RellyRell28
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You're still responding to me like I'm gonna see your way of things. Just move one buddy. I've already seen from your other post that I shouldn't take you seriously so why even bother with me.
there is not a winning permutation of players they can put out vs GSW with the roster as currently constructed thanks to LeGM. there's nothing to figure out. they're just not even in the same galaxy.
ryutaro's mama
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Andrew Wiggins would really come in handy right about now.
So why did they have a point differential of .8 in their games. I could see them losing a bunch of close games, but this literally points to the opposite of that.
and im sorry that a team that finished with the 13th best record in the NBA is considred to be mediocre. That's literally the definition of mediocre. Yes they were supposed to be bad, but that doesn't change the fact that they were a mediocre team
Like, ive watched them play before, they are what they are. I have no clue how you can argue otherwise. It's literally the definition of mediocrity.
Im not the one that said stupid things. You can keep your opinions, but if you post them online on a forum, im gonna roast you bro.
What would Wiggins do that their roster needs. Like, Wiggins is kind of shitty defensively, and his offense is pretty inefficient. He can improve, but they wouldnt be better with Wiggins right now then with Love right now.
PeregrinSe7en
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downplaying the west; the warriors in general
LyleLanley
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I'm only downplaying the strength of the west as a whole. My Warriors shit talking has been an obvious joke...for the most part.
crap monkey
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When Lebron gets back to his hotel room.
BadAss2961
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He really would. Especially in place of Kevin Love, who might never show up in this series.
RellyRell28
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You trying a little too hard bro. Out here saying you roasting people on an internet message board.
Vault Dweller 111
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No player in history could replace LeBron and beat these Warriors.
I can't feel bad for LeBron, he made this team. But the fact that he made his own bed, and the fact that he can't win with this team are two separate issues. GM LeBron sucks, player LeBron is still being let down by his teammates (although that's not a great excuse either, Warriors just happen to be historically great. Bummer for LeBron.). What I don't agree with is it being Lebrons fault that they are losing this series.
Where is this Wiggins meme coming from
Like Wiggins DRTG is worse then Loves, and his ORTG is also worse then Loves
Im not the one who said something stupid bro. If you disagree with me, bring something to the table. Dont passive aggressively try to call me out. No one likes that shit
BadAss2961
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Love has people entertaining the idea that Channing Frye is just as good.
Channing Frye.
jordan0386
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Gonna trade for players who shoot at the same clip of dudes already on the roster. Gonna be pointless.
And let's say you strike iron and get Demarcus Cousins. Even he only shoots about 45 percent. Lol.
Every statistical measure indicates that Love is currently better then Wiggins currently is. The only people who brought that up are because Frye was lights out from 3 for a few games of the playoffs because teams didn't really know how to stop him
jordan0386
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16/38 with 3 threes thru two games. He isn't bringing anything great to the table.
He can't shoot, is scared to shoot. And wasting everyone's time with post ups vs defenders just as strong as him.
ryutaro's mama
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You realize that if LeBron wasn't impatient and actually thought of the future, he could have had BOTH players on the Cavs right now, right?
RellyRell28
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Well I know I never said anything stupid. Also I'll say whatever opinions I want to. If you want to keep saying thing back to me like it's gonna change them that's up to you. I'm laughing at you either way. I've learned over the years not take posters who try to make noise at me seriously.
Bobby Roberts
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That's not what "passive aggressive" means. He directly called you out. There was no passivity involved.
ryutaro's mama
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You're the one who implied the NBA rigged the Bucks to lose. That's pretty stupid tbh
No, they're not fine.
Lebron has constructed a cavs team which has little upside, no cap space, rapidly declining trade value, a short window of opportunity for success, and that matches up poorly with all of its likely western conference opponents. Somehow, he created a dead end out of mulitple #1 picks. Cleveland is in very real danger of having to enter rebuilding mode, when they should have been builing on a foundation of youth the past 2 years.
This is a disaster.
BadAss2961
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Cavs could simply use some more athleticism to keep up with Golden State. If Love is gonna be useless on offense, it negates any advantage he'd have over Wiggins on the floor.
Draymond's getting all his shit off out there.
diffusionx
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I don't blame James for being impatient. He was in his prime. Now he is on the downside of it with a lot of minutes on his body.
They're a good team. Probably good enough to win a championship with a few breaks, but they haven't gotten them and they probably won't get them this year.
Also he moved to the Cavs before the Dubs took a leap. If James made any mistakes, they're the same ones every team not in Oakland made.
jordan0386
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How is it a disaster to go to the Finals every year.
Unless some dudes team up with Paul George, the Cavs will go the Finals at least 2 more times.
Irving is 25 Love is 27. Locked into long term deals. And the cap is gonna be like $120m in two summers. That franchise coo, lol.
johnny_park
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As a lifelong blazers fan, I think they over achieved this year in what seemed to be down year for the league in general.
ryutaro's mama
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I don't think LeBron saw the Warriors coming. I think he wanted to build a team that could compete with the Spurs (sans LMA) and he likely figured a Scott Brooks coached Thunder team wouldn't matter, long term.
It wasn't a bad idea if the Warriors didn't Saiyan the fuck out...but they did and here we are.
The Chosen One
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...and this is why I was desperate for the Warriors to come back against the Thunder. I knew I could count on GSW to give the Lebrons an old-school beatdown.and give Bron Bron 5 Finals defeats. :lol
Vault Dweller 111
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And get shelled again.
It's a disaster because they traded the foundation for long term success with a short term grab at a title. If they lose in the finals, not only has that grab failed, but they've traded away their cap space, youth, and long term upside for nothing.
ryutaro's mama
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Because the goal is to win championships, not go to the Finals every year.
The commercial doesn't say, "You know it's all about getting to the Finals every year for the Land."
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diffusionx
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Do you think James would have come back to Cleveland and spent 3 years in his prime on a sub-500 team while they were rebuilding?
jordan0386
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I'd rather my team go there every season with a chance than to not go at all.
Gully State
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If Lebron doesn't get Cleveland a title, he's leaving that franchise in worse condition than Layden's Knicks.
Wiggins would've just added another inefficient scorer into the mix that plays bad defense. He would be helpful probably 2 years from now unless his defense remains bad
jordan0386
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Check the recent four seasons before LeBron and the recent two with him.
They doing ok.
Except neither curry nor klay have scored 20 points so far.
Curry and Klay may be establishing themselves as the #1 and #2 shooters of all time, but they're not killing the cavs this series, so far.
When Lebron gets back to his hotel room.
Chalmers should be in the picture.
ryutaro's mama
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They are running into a brick wall every year. They Nyets made it to back to back Finals in 2002 and 2003 and got curbstomped each time...but yay, they made it I guess?
Bron has shown he's good enough to carry teams to the chip without help. You'd still more then likely make the chip every year with a core of Wiggins Kyrie and Lebron without destroying your future cap space
panthapanda
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Blazers would not beat the Hawks in a 7 game series. That's just ridiculous. Their best players are backcourt players. The only reason why the Hawks got swept by the Cavs is because no one on the Hawks can guard LeBron 1v1 so the over compensate way too much by double/triple teaming him and packing the paint on his drives. Blazers don't have that type of wing player.
It's like some of you people just look at the Cavs sweep and automatically assume things.
10 Teams in the East were in the Top 15 Defensive rankings. ATL was #2, Indy #3, BOS #4, MIA #8, Cle #9, CHA #10, TO #11, and Detriot #14.
Each of those teams have the personnel to guard the Liliard/CJ backcourt but I guess because the Blazers upset GS that one time in the regular season and stole 2 games with Curry out, all of a sudden they're better than every playoff team in the East.
It's like some of you people just look at the Cavs sweep and automatically assume things.
10 Teams in the East were in the Top 15 Defensive rankings. ATL was #2, Indy #3, BOS #4, MIA #8, Cle #9, CHA #10, TO #11, and Detriot #14.
Each of those teams have the personnel to guard the Liliard/CJ backcourt but I guess because the Blazers upset GS that one time in the regular season and stole 2 games with Curry out, all of a sudden they're better than every playoff team in the East.
jordan0386
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And as a fan of the New Jersey/Brooklyn team, where do you think they would rather be right now?
ryutaro's mama
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I believe I said the Warriors...I didn't mention individual players for a reason. The Warriors, are a buzzsaw. It isn't just 1 or 2 superstars that kill you, as evidenced by these first 2 games. They come at you in swarms and when you plug one hole, there are several others that do you in.
You may be into simply making the Finals for your team but I am pretty sure just getting to the Finals and losing over and over is not what LeBron wanted. Pretty sure he wants to win.
Look if my option was a sack of shit run Nets team and Billy King run Nets team, I'd rake the sack of shit in a heartbeat
There's ways to win without leveraging your future, especially when you leverage that future really poorly
Exactly. Wiggins, Kyrie, and Lebron would have been a great core with a lot of space to work with. And at the time, the jury was still out at the time on whether Anthony Bennett would turn a corner (although the outlook wasn't looking good).
All Lebron needed to do was give it one year to see how the roster gelled and what it was missing. That's it.
jfoul
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The Cavs deserve everything Stephen A. is dishing out.
This is pretty much the series right now.
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