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NBA Offseason 2017 |OT| Only Big Ballers Allowed *please pay $495 to be a Big Baller
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Lazy vs Crazy
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Surprised he isn't hurt yet.
juliushandle
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Media will now use the "its Steph's team" agenda to break up the dynasty.
Frozenprince
Banned
Durant really re-upped for $53M?
Jesus Christ, RIP the rest of the league the next 3 years+
Jesus Christ, RIP the rest of the league the next 3 years+
Lazy vs Crazy
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Did you see that jam Tatum just had?
Pretty sure they are planning to take turns every other year.
CassidyIzABeast
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Bam had 16 at the half, should have went #1. Heat stay winnin.
Utah would have the edge at the 4 and 5. Boston has the edge at point and at the two wings spots (Bradley/Smart/Crowder/Brown/Tatum > Hood/Ingles/Johnson). If you drafted players from both teams, Gobert would be the first off the board, but Boston would have the next three (Thomas, Horford, Bradley). Boston also has infinitely more flexibility and plays in a much weaker conference. They have a better supporting cast right now, they have a brighter future, and they have an easier path to a title. It's a better basketball situation right now and going forward. If Hayward wants to win he chooses Boston; if he really likes his life in Utah and doesn't want to leave that behind he stays there. He doesn't choose to go back to Utah because it gives him a better chance of winning now or in the future.
He's only going to sign a 3 year deal most likely because of the max you can get after 10 years of service. If he's looking at the next three years, he's not going to care how good Boston's prospects will be in 2020. Utah's roster is better than Boston's. A players best chance at a title is through being on as good of a team as possible.
Boston made the Eastern Conference finals last year, but they weren't anywhere near competing for a title.
I agree about the top 4 you mentioned. You stopped after 4 though. Utah has the next 5 best players. They have 6 of the top 10 and the best player. I also disagree that Boston's small forwards are better than Utah's.
1) Gobert
2) Thomas
3) Horford
4) Bradley
5) Favors
6) Rubio
7) Ingles
8) Johnson
9) Hood
10) Crowder
11) Smart
12) Brown
13) Exum
CassidyIzABeast
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Jaylen fucking up the draft pick showdown
His stroke looks niiiiice. Nasty in transition, nasty moves for separation. He's doing it all today.
Caddywompus
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Neither was Utah.
What's Utah's 3 year projection look like to you? Because I see Portland likely taking the Northwest from Utah unless OKC's duo really gel quickly and take it the first year. Even then you have those three teams duking it out for the 4, 5 & 6th seeds for the next three years. I know Houston's the only team to ever come out of the 6th seed and win a title but I don't know if Utah is going to make it out of the first rd as 6th the next three years.
Love the aggressiveness and most of all the versatility. Really exciting. You could notice as last year went on and tonight that the game has really slowed down for him.
Suffice it to say I would disagree with those rankings.
It's a bad sign when the second-year players show up and aren't so it doesn't really mean much one way or the other.
(Summer League as a whole pretty much means less than nothing. As long as you aren't getting your shot blocked nonstop you're okay in terms of your prospect status when you're there as a rookie.)
If you have Portland ahead of Utah with Hayward I don't know what to tell you. The Jazz won 51 games and a first round playoff series last year despite a ton of injuries. Hayward and Gobert, their top 2 guys, are still young and improving. They have other young guys that are developing (Exum, Hood), even Favors is only 25. With more chemistry, development and injury luck, they are a mid to high 50's win team next year. They're an elite defensive team with an improving offense. Not sure why you seem to think they suck.
I just needed him to show improvement/flashes. He looks head and shoulders better than anybody else out there
The more impressive thing is where he was last summer league vs. now. Tighter handle, stronger more in control finisher, insane trasnition footwork, quick decisions,e tc.
Vault Dweller 111
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Care to elaborate?
Yeah I mean he's still a turnover machine, but again, the point is as long as he looks solid it just means he's not a failure not that he'll take some massive leap forward in year 2.
Meh I wouldn't read too much into his TO this game a lot of them were a result of his teammates and freelancing. His handle is a lot better so far, but he still doesn't look quite ready to create consistently. It's been a very clear improvement so far though.
Jae Crowder was better than Johnson, Ingles, or Hood this year by just about every available metric. And who knows what's up with Favors' knees, but he couldn't stay on the court this year and was mediocre when he was out there. Take away Hayward and Ricky Rubio might be your second best player.
Tatum hasn't flashed whatsoever to me. Goddamn jaylen just so fast in transition with the and 1.
Caddywompus
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I don't think they suck but I don't think they are a lock to win their division. OKC is hard to predict but we saw how much better Portland became after adding Nurkic, they went 14-5 before he got injured and were one of the best records after the all-star game.
I think a full season with Nurkic only improves that team not make them worse, is that crazy?
If Portland wins the Division they are the 4 seed, unless someone with a better record from another division takes homecourt like it happened with Utah last year. But like I said I think it's between those three teams. I would think adding Paul George to a team would make up the four win difference between Utah and OKC. The Thunder may even take the division which drops last year's 5th seed to 6th. What's funny is they could easily have a better record than last year but still drop in the standings.
I mean I would read as much into them as anything else (ie, not at all, because Summer League means less than nothing) as he's been a turnover machine before as well.
Yeah 1.8 TO per 36 is a turnover machine.
EDIT- also you can take certain things away. His stroke, his control, his footwork, etc.
When you never touch the ball because your head coach doesn't trust you and turned it over a lot in college, it really doesn't mean much what his per 36 numbers are as of yet. Don't misuse stats.
If you take things away from Summer League you're lying to yourself either way. If you did, then Kris Dunn should have been rookie of the year etc. Just enjoy it for the bad basketball it is and wait until the real season to judge stuff.
Lionel Richie
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Game tied late, Fultz vs. Tatum come on let's settle this once and for all.
I'm joking.... OR AM I?
Ingles career 3pt% - 40.
Hood career 3pt% - 36.
Johnson career 3 pt% - 37
Crowder career 3pt% - 34.5
All three of the Jazz guys can create their own shot and run a pick and roll.
Crowder can't do anything other than catch and shoot (and he's worse at it).
Neither Hood or Crowder can pass.
Crowder is slightly better at defense than Johnson and Hood but not Ingles.
Again you can take plenty away. You can't project awards but you can tell specific differences in players. Dunn was good, but I wasn't crazy about his play style at all.
RedAssedApe
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downtown jaylen brown. why isn't simmons playing. is that bum still hurt?
Lionel Richie
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At least 3 since IT, Bradley and Horford are very safe bets. IT is also the best of them all. Nobody is underrating the Jazz, they have a fantastic team. So does Boston.
IT is not better than Gobert.
Man - I am really looking forward to Tatum's finishing skills.
Also, I think Nader is going to have an NBA career. I don't think it can be with the Celts, though.
Crowder, mostly. But they're all good players around the same tier, so probably not worth arguing about.
Also, I think Nader is going to have an NBA career. I don't think it can be with the Celts, though.
Crowder, mostly. But they're all good players around the same tier, so probably not worth arguing about.
No, I think the Sixers said both sides didn't really see the point of him playing when they'd rather he just keep getting back into shape. With the injury history of their picks probably better safe than sorry. I imagine Jaylen is just playing a game or two for similar reasons.
Vault Dweller 111
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I don't get the feeling that some of you know much about the Jazz at all. Which is fine, but you shouldn't be acting like experts.
This shit it ridiculous though.
This shit it ridiculous though.
Yeah his handle is still a work in progress but he looks far more in control than last year.
Also Demetrius Jackson looks hilariously bad.
Hilariously bad. Semi flashed a few times liked seeing that.
Hyperactivity
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Damn, that was nice.