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NBA Offseason 2017 |OT| Only Big Ballers Allowed *please pay $495 to be a Big Baller
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Apparently that's the Jazz target in the sign and trade. Wonder what's coming back for him.
darkwing-buck
Member
Hey celtics, can we have Avery Bradley
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
We also got Big 3 tho...
Woj says the Celtics and Jazz are talking sign and trade for Hayward. Crowder would be going back.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/882773040341430272
I always thought Crowder was the most likely outgoing salary to clear for Hayward, but he's also the most valuable. It'll be interesting what they get back.
If they get nothing I don't see the point. You can get a late pick from someone.
friskykillface
Banned
Crowder for Diaw
Solid big that's a good passer
Diaw god
Solid big that's a good passer
Diaw god
No one is going to give up a pick worth having for an average wing that Boston is trying to salary dump
That doesn't help the Celtics cap situation, so yeah, no. It's Crowder for Hayward, Celtics aren't taking back more salary than Hayward already will be.
Crowder has a top ten contract in the NBA. You're high if you don't think a team would trade a pick for him.
lol
Is there a timeline this needs to happen by, specifically?
That would be amazing but it doesn't quite work, they need to take back less salary. Boston doesn't have a ton of leverage here since everyone knows they need to move someone.
Hot take city.
That would be amazing but it doesn't quite work, they need to take back less salary. Boston doesn't have a ton of leverage here since everyone knows they need to move someone.
Hot take city.
I'm sorry that Fultz isn't any good and is getting outplayed by Exum.
No it's not good. But I can't stop watching.
If its so valuable the why are Boston dumping it?
Fact is Boston needs to dump salary, and every team with cap room is going to play Hard ball.
Just look at the return Indy got for Paul George when they had to trade him. The Lakers wouldn't even offer Clarkson + Randle for Paul George when they had a guarenteed long term commitment.
Yet somehow a team with empty cap room is going to give up on the chance at a productive rookie scale player for 5 years making less then Crowder for Crowder's contract.
Come on now.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Danny might view sending Crowder to Utah and completing a sign and trade is better than wasting time negotiating with teams who know he has to ditch salary and are probably going to play hardball. In a vacuum, yes Crowder is easily worth a mid-late 1st to most teams. But these deals don't happen in a vaccum.
I feel bad for you man, I can barely handle this one game
Plus, Crowder is a player not an asset, so Danny doesn't give a shit about him. Especially because his name isn't Terry Rozier.
Why are you comparing a one year rental to 3 years at like 7-8 million a year. Also find me were Paul George said he'd sign an extension to be traded to the Lakers..
Ninja Scooter
Member
the comparison is because in both cases the team with the asset has their leverage compromised.
These situations aren't similar at all. Teams aren't going to refuse a good player to spite other teams. They're not going to get back as much for Crowder as in a separate trade obviously, but I don't expect they'll get nothing.
See: Every S&T ever made.
Yeah, it's easier for sure.
Doing it in a S&T rather than separate transactions also allows them to likely keep Rozier. Bernardoni from CelticsHub is even speculating they could keep Crowder, since it would remove the problematic final cap hold that the Celtics have. I haven't seen Nate Duncan comment on that though and since Woj is reporting Crowder, that seems more likely.
This is nothing like the PG situation and even that didn't involve giving away an asset for nothing. Indiana still got a return for Paul George and obviously could have gotten a much better one (e.g. Gary Harris + a 1st) if their FO wasn't a clownshow.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I'm not saying it's a 1:1 to the PG situation, I'm saying in both cases the value of the asset is compromised, in Indy's case because PG was an expiring contract who made it known he wants out, in Boston's case because they have a finite amount of time to get this deal done and get space cleared so that they can bring Heyward on board. Teams know this (utah included, they could always threaten to back out of a potential S&T to take that option off the table and really put the pressure to Danny) and it's going to impact negotiations.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Why hasn't Utah thrown the max at Kelly Olynyk. That's the S&T that should be on the table.
Randolph Freelander
Member
YNB to Philly in a salary dump
Randolph Freelander
Member
Does summer ball still suck, though.
Man, the skills Tatum has offensively are unreal. Post moves, drives, finishes with either hand, jumpers from different ranges. He's shown it all the first couple games.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic (max) but he's an unrestricted FA now. And he's gonna get paid by someone.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic (max) but he's an unrestricted FA now. And he's gonna get paid by someone.
Why would George sign an extension when he is 1 year away from a big payday as a free agent? George said he planned to sign with LA in 2018. That was the biggest commitment he could offer at the time.
3 years of Crowder at MLE prices vs 5 years of a first round pick at 2M a year is a net financial negative should the team with a first round pick find a productive player in the draft.
Yes it does. This is really hard to watch. It's basically hyperathl;etic rec ball
darkwing-buck
Member
hahaha
Bingo. School yourself in the realistic returns on mid-late first round picks. Try finding anyone with Crowder's skill set and production during their rookie deal. It's tough. I don't think Crowder offers a ton of value for each and every team, but for Utah (who appears to have no plans for a full rebuild) and several other teams, he would.
Flipping any of Smart, Bradley and Crowder is not going to be an issue. It's whether they'll get a return or not.
The cap coming in below projected really hurt the Celts. They had it measured. But it's hard to complain given the results of the summer.
Philly should roll out their full starting 5 one game, it would dominate all sports conversation for a couple of days. Get some special unis with Hinkie's face on them.
Randolph Freelander
Member
darkwing-buck
Member
Trust The Process
Maybe, maybe not. The big distinction between this and the PG situation was that not only was the Pacers leverage compromised, the value of the asset itself was severely compromised because George was now valued as a rental. The latter was what really mattered. Crowder's value as an asset (or Smart's or Bradley's for that matter) hasn't been compromised in any way just because teams know Ainge is looking to deal one of the three.
Randolph Freelander
Member
A step back jumper. Why has no one thought of that before?
We're in a new era, folks.
We're in a new era, folks.
BlackGhost
Banned
Word on the streets is that the step back jumper is the new hotness. All the kids gonna be doing it.
LyleLanley
Banned
So what are the C's getting from the Jazz for Crowder?
Ninja Scooter
Member
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