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NBA Offseason 2017 |OT| Only Big Ballers Allowed *please pay $495 to be a Big Baller
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
But... hes better?
Kyrie's superstar status far outpaces his actual game honestly. He's a Dragic / Bledsoe tier that's looked great because hes playing next to Lebron. They'd be a 30 win team without Lebron (and I think I'm being kind here).
Also that being said I hope Orlando gets him
Lionel Richie
Member
Kyrie is a better basketball player than IT when you consider everything. However, he isn't worth IT + Crowder + a top 10 pick. Like the difference between IT and Kyrie isn't big enough that you do that deal.
LyleLanley
Banned
I agree with this. I also think that's what it would take for the C's to get him though.
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Kyrie Irving is a better player than IT
Not like the gap between Kris Dunn and Steoh but Kyrie's better
Comparing Kyrie to Bledsoe or Dragic is just maddening. None of them could put on the crazy playoff performances Kyrie has done. Look at the Boston series this year when Lebron got into foul trouble early. Kyrie took over and was unstoppable in that game.
The Celtics aren't going to give IT the max. There's no way. So here's very expendable this year. So the trade would really be Crowder + top 10 pick for Kyrie because that's all Boston is losing. I don't know if that's enough. I'd watch IT + Brooklyn pick + LA pick. One win-now move (and then let IT walk when LeBron leaves) and two long-term moves.
I know Danny wouldn't do it but Kyrie is really good and only 25 years old. If Ainge isn't trying to use those picks to nab Kyrie, he should be using those picks (plus one or two more) to get AD.
Boston is my least favorite team. I hope they throw the max at him.
Caddywompus
Member
But is there incentive to mess with CLE? IT expects to be paid max money after being on a bargain contract his entire career. CLE is already a luxury tax mess but you can't let him walk.
That's not how this works...that's not how any of this works. You can't just ignore what IT would bring to the teble even if it's just for a year.
I think the Celtics could give the best return but they probably wouldn't give up enough rebuilding assets if that's what the Cavs are looking for. Not many teams could beat the immediate talent return of IT/Crowder.
LyleLanley
Banned
I don't think maxing IT would be the worst move. However I also think he signs for a cheaper deal.
IT and Crowder would be a terrible trade imo. That has a 0.0% chance of ever happening.
Caddywompus
Member
I think they are implying that if Kyrie and IT are so similar in value all you give up for Kryie is Crowder and 1st rd pick and avoid giving the max to IT an getting another year til you have to max out Kyrie.
3 years so he's off the books with Al.
metalslimer
Member
To be fair to Kyrie he is also only 25 years old. There still time for his game to get even better. It's a shame he hasn't become a better passer playing on a team with LeBron.
I agree the chance of it happening is minuscule but why is it a terrible trade? Two guys that shoot 3 at a near elite rate, one of them taking Irving's place as the scoring PG and the other filling a 3&D role that Lebron hasn't had since...Battier? I think those two would be an upgrade over just having Irving honestly.
LyleLanley
Banned
I imagine the Cavs would demand at least one of the valuable picks as well.
Neither IT nor Crowder are in Boston's longterm plans. Ainge would be giving up two guys he doesn't want going forward for a great 25-year-old player with room to grow.
LyleLanley
Banned
Crowder is a versatile guy who shoots well and is probably our second best defender now. He should be expendable in the right trade but I also wouldn't be surprised to see him stick around long term.
Yeah for sure, and I'd give one too. I'm more talking about the immediate impact those players would provide for the Cavs. Can't imagine another team beating it.
Jae is signed through 2020 for like $7m/year lol, he's definitely not going anywhere unless an elite guy is coming back.
Need Riley to plop his balls on the table, and demand this trade.
Do it Pat throw in a few picks
How the heck is it only 1 more win for the Heat lol
In all seriousness, how's Kyrie health wise? He seems to be banged up every year. Last thing I want is another injury riddled guard.
He has been healthy pretty much the last season and a half.
Eh, maybe. He's a streaky shooter (to put it mildly) and his defense slipped last year. I think the only reason he's considered as highly as he is is because of his cheap contract. Once Brown and Tatum grow, they'll have no need for Crowder. I feel like Ainge has been looking for a way to trade him a for a couple years and would jump at a chance to dump him for a better player.
BlackGhost
Banned
Dan introduces Koby at 4 pm est, in a few mins. Sure they'll be Kyrie questions
Randolph Freelander
Member
"Mr. Gilbert, when you told the staff that Kyrie requested a trade, did you use Comic Sans again or go with a different font?"
Peter Ian Staker
Member
Unless Minnesota ponies up Wiggins they may have to lock LeBron and Kyrie in a room like DeAndre.
Randolph Freelander
Member
2 men will enter, and only 2 will leave...
BlackGhost
Banned
Omg, I forgot he did this -_-
LyleLanley
Banned
That letter is still one of the most ridiculous things to happen in the modern NBA.
I feel like there has to be some kind of package Spurs can make, LMA + Murray + Parker or something like that
LyleLanley
Banned
The Cavs are going to have to settle for IT and the Memphis pick.
BlackGhost
Banned
First question about Kyrie as expected.
Hopefully someone yells at KOBY!
Edit: sounds like they just won't talk about the Kyrie stuff today
Lol they asked why no GM has ever gotten a 2nd contract from Dan
Hopefully someone yells at KOBY!
Edit: sounds like they just won't talk about the Kyrie stuff today
Lol they asked why no GM has ever gotten a 2nd contract from Dan
LyleLanley
Banned
"When asked about why none of his GMs ever received a 2nd contract, Gilbert contends his guys have had 4 years each - "a presidential term"" -@mcten
What an idiot.
What an idiot.
Lmao
Peter Ian Staker
Member
Others can offer much better packages than that even without a Wiggins or Josh Jackson in them.
Supposedly now Kyrie is OK with going to the nuggets. Can the Nuggets get him without gutting their rotation and/or taking bad salary?
Randolph Freelander
Member
Someone ask Koby if, in light of Gilbert's tendencies, he has already started to look for his next job.
BlackGhost
Banned
Conference seems to be over. Wow can't believe we did it again, amazing.
slightconfuse
Banned
Thomas
Crowder
Brooklyn pick
Rozier
For kyri
Crowder
Brooklyn pick
Rozier
For kyri
Caddywompus
Member
One of Chandler or Faried have to be involved to make the money work so a minimum of Harris, Murry and Chandler
If cap relief is wanted you could even add Frye's expiring contract and take back Faried's contract who seems like has been shopped since he was given that deal
Murray/Harris/Chandler for Kyrie seems like pretty fair value
We should give up Horford and Hayward as well
Rad Shadow
Banned
Someone mention Sugar Shane Battier?
Dude's like one of my favorite Heat players of all time. Let Lebron take it easy on defense while Batman banged with the big boys.
The real mvp of those 2 titles.
Dude's like one of my favorite Heat players of all time. Let Lebron take it easy on defense while Batman banged with the big boys.
The real mvp of those 2 titles.
Peter Ian Staker
Member
Cavs would want a pick on top of that. I don't think the Nuggets do it.