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[Duxxy3]

While spot up shooting and blocking shots may be all Ibaka is good for, the same is not true for KP. He has the advantage on handles, length, shooting off the dribble, all incredibly valuable things that lift him above role player status.


Of course he'll improve, but he will never be as good as KP and I'm sure of that. The NBA is about stars not role players, the latter of which Brown and the picks are likely to become. I'll trade 4 quarters for a dollar and get our star C for the next decade.

I'm not at all sure of that.

Giving him up, plus Tatum/Isaac, plus potentially the #1 pick next year... it's a big no for me.

Not willing to draft pick that Danny actually "hit" on. Not after 1 year.

 

[Boogs31]

Brown looks like he can eventually be a solid player. He didn't show anything that makes you think he'll be a star though and the numbers also didn't show it either.

I see Brown as an elite role player. Not a franchise player but the next best thing. He's got great size and athleticism. He showed he's capable of hitting threes, attacking off the dribble and posting up smaller players. If he continues to improve all of those things plus become a good to great defender, he's awfully close to all star status.

 

[Kevtones]

Steve Kyler @stevekylerNBA

Nothing specific - told meat of an offer would be some combination of Portland's picks this year and favorable salary

Portland and San Antonio 'serious players' in securing PG13.

 

[Bread]

I'm not underestimating the Celtics assets, I've just seen enough drafts to know that it's a crapshoot. If you can give up picks for established stars, you're crazy not to. We don't even know where the BKN18 and LAL/SAC picks will fall and how the draft classes will look.

 

[LionPride]

Becoming a Timberwolves fan takes something outta you, just know that

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

I see Brown as an elite role player. Not a franchise player but the next best thing. He's got great size and athleticism. He showed he's capable of hitting threes, attacking off the dribble and posting up smaller players. If you can do all of those things at a high level plus great defense, you are awfully close to all star status.

Jaylen Brown is going to be a star. All the signs are there. He should be untouchable for thr Celtics.

 

[charsace]

I agree with that statement but KP to this point hasn't gotten a ton of extra production out of those extra skills and advantages. He still has made most of his living thus far off of catch and shoots. I definitely see the potential (I watched the game against Detroit in which he caught fire and showed the whole package), but those games were few and far between.



If you think three top 5 picks and Crowder is equal value, you aren't valuing the Celtics assets enough.

Jaylen isn't a pick though. His value is that he's a young player and a gamble because nothing he showed in his first year indicates that he will amount to anything more than just a decent starter. In Porzingis the Celtics would getting a young big who is already one of the better bigs in the league. That fact that he is a good young big with upside raises his value a lot.

 

[Boogs31]

I'm not underestimating the Celtics assets, I've just seen enough drafts to know that it's a crapshoot. If you can give up picks for established stars, you're crazy not to. We don't even know where the BKN18 and LAL/SAC picks will fall and how the draft classes will look.

He's not an established star though. That's what I keep saying. He hasn't made an all star team. You are mistaking potential with current value. His ceiling could be really high. But currently he's just a solid player.

 

[DerangedHermit]

How long from now is the draft thingie ?

 

[Tom Penny]

I'm not underestimating the Celtics assets, I've just seen enough drafts to know that it's a crapshoot. If you can give up picks for established stars, you're crazy not to. We don't even know where the BKN18 and LAL/SAC picks will fall and how the draft classes will look.

There is probably a 100 Percent chance the Nets and Kings pick are top ten or better

 

[Kevtones]

How long from now is the draft thingie ?

4pm PST

 

[charsace]

Jaylen Brown is going to be a star. All the signs are there. He should be untouchable for thr Celtics.

What signs? I have seen nothing that points to Brown being a star. Numbers don't point to this being the case either.

 

[Chase17]

I'm not underestimating the Celtics assets, I've just seen enough drafts to know that it's a crapshoot. If you can give up picks for established stars, you're crazy not to. We don't even know where the BKN18 and LAL/SAC picks will fall and how the draft classes will look.

Players are assets too.

Gotta keep the picks to get the next KO though.

 

[beat]

That's their main value. KP can also attack off the bounce. Neither have a post game. Guys that can hit threes and protect the rim are extremely rare and valuable. And again I'm comparing the current versions of the two guys. I competently understand that in 2 years it might be a silly comparison. But it isn't right now.

Why do you need KP to have a post game? He would be incredibly valuable as a core part of a team that plays 5-out and he still gives you all the rim protection you could ask for unlike when most teams go small.

 

[Boogs31]

Jaylen isn't a pick though. His value is that he's a young player and a gamble because nothing he showed in his first year indicates that he will amount to anything more than just a decent starter. In Porzingis the Celtics would getting a young big who is already one of the better bigs in the league. That fact that he is a good young big with upside raises his value a lot.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Brown. I think he eventually will be a third best player on a championship team.

My feeling about Porzingis is he'll improve and become an all star eventually but not a superstar. He's a scorer and rim protector. I haven't seen anything that shows me he's going to be a guy that makes other players better.

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

What signs? I have seen nothing that points to Brown being a star. Numbers don't point to this being the case either.

You saw flashes of it in his gameplay. Keep in mind he played pretty well for someone his age at that position on a team where he only saw good minutes when Bradley went down for part of the season. Jaylen Brown has a huge upside and now that he's had a season under his wing I expect a big improvement next season in him..

 

[Shamrock7r]

Where are y'all hearing that the Spurs are going for Paul George?

 

[Boogs31]

Why do you need KP to have a post game? He would be incredibly valuable as a core part of a team that plays 5-out and he still gives you all the rim protection you could ask for unlike when most teams go small.

If all Porzingis is for the Celtics is a rim protector and floor spacer, that's not a franchise level player that you give up everything for.

The only way I give up what is rumored is if I see Porzingis eventually becoming a 30ppg guy. He's been way too inconsistent thus far for me to think that's possible (especially without a post game).

 

[jbug617]

Where are y'all hearing that the Spurs are going for Paul George?

Amico and Kyler

 

[Bread]

Jeff Green showed flashes of stardom too. It's far too early to tell if Brown is going to make the jump. Porzingis has shown that he has elite abilities at ages 19 and 20 with big improvements to shooting % and defense in his second year. The only thing that could possibly keep him from being a top 10 player is health.

 

[Kevtones]

Where are y'all hearing that the Spurs are going for Paul George?

Spurs and Trailblazers per Steve Kyler, NBA reporter. However he has no idea what the Spurs can offer while he has heard the Portland pitch.


Portland has more picks and better salary matches. LMA for PG13 might be their play.

 

[Duxxy3]

I'm not underestimating the Celtics assets, I've just seen enough drafts to know that it's a crapshoot. If you can give up picks for established stars, you're crazy not to. We don't even know where the BKN18 and LAL/SAC picks will fall and how the draft classes will look.

Porzingis isn't an established star. He's a second year player. He has a lot more opportunity to show his skills, unlike all of Boston's young guys, because he plays on a shitty team with nobody in front of him.

He has potential, but so does Brown. There were times in the playoffs when Brown was undoubtedly the best player on the floor for Boston. His numbers never look good because he doesn't get the minutes that Porzingis gets. Brad pulls him when he makes mistakes.

Porzingis would be great on the Celtics, I just think that betting the farm on him is a mistake. At least if Brown is involved in the trade.

 

[Cybit]

I get the feeling Celtics fans see Jaylen Brown like Lakers fans saw D'Angelo Russell.

 

[RootCause]

Portland and San Antonio 'serious players' in securing PG13.

I need this to happen. PG, and Kahwi duo would be fun to watch.

 

[Ronin Ray]

Spurs-GAF, is an LMA deal happening tonight?

I hope. They need to surround Lenoard with young talent that can grow with him.

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

Jeff Green showed flashes of stardom too. It's far too early to tell if Brown is going to make the jump. Porzingis has shown that he has elite abilities at ages 19 and 20 with big improvements to shooting % and defense in his second year. The only thing that could possibly keep him from being a top 10 player is health.

I haven't seen elite anything in Porzingas. Dude hits open shots and gets the occasional dunk. Has he even cracked the 30 pt mark in his career yet in any games?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

If all Porzingis is for the Celtics is a rim protector and floor spacer, that's not a franchise level player that you give up everything for.

The only way I give up what is rumored is if I see Porzingis eventually becoming a 30ppg guy. He's been way too inconsistent thus far for me to think that's possible (especially without a post game).

Are you Byron scott?

 

[Lionel Richie]

I get the feeling Celtics fans see Jaylen Brown like Lakers fans saw D'Angelo Russell.

Not quite, Jaylen never tried to fuck Avery Bradley's girlfriend.

 

[Bread]

I haven't seen elite anything in Porzingas. Dude hits open shots and gets the occasional dunk. Has he even cracked the 30 pt mark in his career yet in any games?

not even gonna bother with this lmao

 

[Sandfox]

Not quite, Jaylen never tried to fuck Avery Bradley's girlfriend.

That's not what happened at all lol.

 

[True Savior]

My sources say

LMA + 3rd Boston pick to the Knicks
Rose and Paul George to the Spurs
Porzingis to Boston
Jayleen Brown and some white guy to the Pacers

 

[Sanjuro]

Is there going to be a draft thread in the OT?

 

[spyder_ur]

Porzingis is pretty much one of the select few guys I would give up most of the farm for. Totally unique combination of valued skillset, youth, temperament, and team control.

Of course there's a limit though. I'd do Crowder plus #3 and 2018 BK (or LA/Sac pick) with very little hesitation and could probably be pushed for a bit more.

 

[darkside31337]

My sources say

LMA + 3rd Boston pick to the Knicks
Rose and Paul George to the Spurs
Porzingis to Boston
Jayleen Brown and some white guy to the Pacers

I had no idea Chris Broussard also had a gaf account

 

[br3wnor]

I haven't seen elite anything in Porzingas. Dude hits open shots and gets the occasional dunk. Has he even cracked the 30 pt mark in his career yet in any games?

Yes, last season had a 35 and 31, but really that's what you're considering the metric for his overall value?

Beyond confounded by the Porzingis takes in here. I wish the rest of the league felt the same way so they couldn't dangle these fucking deals in front of our asleep at the wheel fucking clown of a team president.

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

not even gonna bother with this lmao

He's had three 30pt games and twelve double digit rebounding games in his career. Nothing about that says elite especially with him playing on a shitty Knicks team where he has the free will to shoot as he pleases.

 

[Cornbread78]

Is there going to be a draft thread in the OT?

I was told it is all going to be stashed in here. Hopefully Jarate has that OT2 ready, because $hit is about to get cray....

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

Yes, last season had a 35 and 31, but really that's what you're considering the metric for his overall value?

More or less his overall impact on the game. I just don't see him taking over games and dominating.

 

[Boogs31]

Are you Byron scott?

That's the second time you've compared me to him so apparently so. He was a great player and former coach of the year so I'll take it (even though I'm fully aware you're using that as an insult, referencing his more recent coaching failures).

My whole point this entire time has been Boston shouldn't give up everything they have asset wise for Porzingis. He's a good but not great player now. And when I say post up game, it can be a face up game too like Dirk, but he needs to become a more consistent scorer in end of shot clock, team needs a bucket situations.

 

[darkside31337]

He's had three 30pt games and twelve double digit rebounding games in his career. Nothing about that says elite especially with him playing on a shitty Knicks team where he has the free will to shoot as he pleases.

When you're playing on the same team as Melo and Rose you don't have the free will to shoot as you please.

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

When you're playing on the same team as Melo and Rose you don't have the free will to shoot as you please.

Both those guys have missed so much time throughout the season so he's had plenty time to chuck as he pleases..

 

[Cre8]

I need this to happen. PG, and Kahwi duo would be fun to watch.

Don't forget Chris Paul....GEorge,KLeonard and CPaul..Spurs are going after Duds for title.

 

[LionPride]

That's the second time you've compared me to him so apparently so. He was a great player and former coach of the year so I'll take it (even though I'm fully aware you're using that as an insult, referencing his more recent coaching failures).

My whole point this entire time has been Boston shouldn't give up everything they have asset wise for Porzingis. He's a good but not great player now. And when I say post up game, it can be a face up game too like Dirk, but he needs to become a more consistent scorer in end of shot clock, team needs a bucket situations.

Sam Mitchell was a CotY. Don't mean shit.

He's a 21 year old 7'3, athletic, long, shooting, posting up, fuck who gives the Celtics exactly what they need. Hell put his ass at Center and Al at PF amd just go. He's a consistent scorer, maybe watch games where he plays. It may help you.

 

[Kevtones]

Well I guess Portland's offer didn't excite Indy

 

[Tom Penny]

Porzingas couldn't even maximize his talents in the triangle offense when Jeff Horanacek was an expert.

 

[Bread]

He's had three 30pt games and twelve double digit rebounding games in his career. Nothing about that says elite especially with him playing on a shitty Knicks team where he has the free will to shoot as he pleases.

He is an elite shooter at the C position and an elite rim protector (538 had him 4th behind Green, Gobert, and AD). Plus he's 21 he'll be improving for years to come.

Both those guys have missed so much time throughout the season so he's had plenty time to chuck as he pleases..

He averaged 18 on 50% shooting...what do you want from him? You want him to take worse shots or something?

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

He is an elite shooter at the C position and an elite rim protector (538 had him 4th behind Green, Gobert, and AD). Plus he's 21 he'll be improving for years to come.

He averaged 18 on 50% shooting...what do you want from him? You want him to take worse shots or something?

I want him to dominate. Y'all acting like he's the second coming of Christ. The kid is good. But you guys are vastly overstating his talents.

 

[Tom Penny]

Why are we arguing Hitta level hot takes?

 

[El Topo]

Are we really shitting on an enormous talent like Porzingis?

 

[SwipeLeftHoney]

Looks like the Spurs are on the verge of landing Paul George... Kawhi and George would be one scary as hell tandem to deal with...