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NBA Offseason |OT| "It's a complete shit move, but we're stuck with it now"
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Ninja Scooter
Member
Sucks about Simmons, but the Sixers need to be super careful with his recovery. Don't mess around when it comes to feet.
LyleLanley
Banned
RIP Simmons. On the positive side at least no one got to see his horrendous shooting in the NBA.
LyleLanley
Banned
Next years draft is supposed to be really good.
Ninja Scooter
Member
If their big draft picks are constantly getting injured or becoming disgruntled they are never going to develop the kind of chemistry needed. This kind of stuff sets back the development of the franchise big time. Now they have a year down the drain of knowing if/how Simmons can play with guys like Noel or Okafor, and whether or not they should trade those guys. Talent alone doesn't mean anything. They are currently on a train to nowhere.
This is such horseshit, Simmons is the type of player who can play with literally anyone on the court due to how deep his game is
Yes, it sucks, but i'd take what the 76ers have over half the teams in the league right now.
This is also ignoring the fact that we are still owed the Lakers pick (Lakers wont be good this year) still have draft swap rights to for the Kings and are still owed the 2019 Kings pick, which btw is the year after the Boogie becomes a UFA
And literally the only player who has had any types of negative thoughts on the organization is Nerlens Noel, who just wants to make sure he's getting paid and see the writing on the wall that if embiid is healthy there is literally no way he is not going to start.
This sucks from a very selfish standpoint of wanting to see him play this year, but we still have Embiid and Saric debuting this year, and Saric is essentially the same player as Simmons but with a better developed jump shot and a little less athleticism, so we shouldnt see a huge dropoff there.
Meanwhile, there's a very likely chance we'll have the 2 top 10 picks this year in whats considered to be one of the deepest PG and wing drafts.
Okafor, Saric, Joel, Simmons have loved the city and its fanbase. MCW never had a problem, and Noel is literally the only disgruntled player that was a high draft pick. (KJ McDaniels was also disgruntled which is why they got rid of him to be a bench warmer in Houston) Even guys who have just showed up like Sergio, Bayless, and Henderson have had glowing praise for the organization and the team atmosphere
There has not been a major injury since the Embiid re-injury which was another 50/50 shot for that reinjuring due to blood flow issues. Noel got hurt before he was a Sixer and hasnt had a major injury since then, Okafor had a small meniscus tear which happened during a game and kind of just happens, and other then that, I can't really think of a major injury that the team has had.
Unluckiness =/= incompetence. Just like being lucky =/= competence
Ninja Scooter
Member
Simmons might be able to play with anyone, but at some point they have to develop chemistry. Collecting assets is only a part of the battle, and it doesn't guarantee anything. This doesn't just set back Simmons' development, but the franchise as a whole. At some point you need to stop collecting and put something together, and this is going to preclude them from doing that for another year.
yeah, the Celtics and Heat and Cavs had massive chemistry issues and didnt make it to the finals when they had a massive increase in talent in the first year they all played together
Chemistry is important, but these guys are in their early 20's and are under Sixers control for a very long time.
This doesnt set back shit because Simmons is somebody that literally everyone in the league will want to play with. This year we werent going to win shit anyway. You can make an argument for specialist players like Nerlens Noel or Jahlil Okafor, but Simmons literally excels at every aspect of basketball. (despite having "no shot" he is still able to score incredibly well) If you add Lebron to any team in the league, even if everyone despises him, you're still going to get better because you have Lebron on your team. If chemistry was important, teams who have been the 6th-8th seed with the same core of talent year after year would get better year after year, which doesnt happen at all.
Ninja Scooter
Member
You seem to think Simmons is already LeBron so I'm not sure what the point of this argument is. Simmons still has a ton to prove. He's never played a single NBA game. Also comparing the Sixers to the HEat or Celtic teams that added veteran, hall of fame type players in their prime is hilarious. The point of the chemistry comment isn't that I expect them to turn around and win 50 games from one season to the next, it's to help see what you have. Who plays well with who? What kind of style are do they best fit with? Who is the best type of coach for these guys? The longer these core group of guys go without really playing with each other the longer you are going without knowing those things, and the more years of that precious team control you are wasting. Simmons was supposed to be "the guy". The one they had been waiting for. Him missing his entire first year with a serious foot injury and not thinking that will set anything back as far as the franchise development because "they were going to suck anyway and just collect a couple more assets" is ridiculous.
Don't get me wrong, I"m not saying this is going to ruin Simmons' career or the Sixers, but it's not good for them as a franchise at all. It pretty much just pushes the clock back a year on getting them where they wanted to be.
Don't get me wrong, I"m not saying this is going to ruin Simmons' career or the Sixers, but it's not good for them as a franchise at all. It pretty much just pushes the clock back a year on getting them where they wanted to be.
LyleLanley
Banned
I'm not sure those situations are really that comparable.
And I'm not implying any of that, this is somewhat of a setback, but you're making it seem like it's some huge deal, when really, it could be one if and only if Simmons is injured in a way that negatively affects him from being an absolute dominant player.
The idea of "fit" means nothing with players like Simmons who do everything at the very minimum of good.
This sucks, but its not the end of the world unless this majorly effects Simmons talents. And for that we don't know. But, even with the worst case scenario, Embiid is still capable of being dominant, Saric is a great prospect, they still have loads of cap space, and they still have a ludicrous amounts of draft picks.
The idea of "fit" means nothing with players like Simmons who do everything at the very minimum of good.
This sucks, but its not the end of the world unless this majorly effects Simmons talents. And for that we don't know. But, even with the worst case scenario, Embiid is still capable of being dominant, Saric is a great prospect, they still have loads of cap space, and they still have a ludicrous amounts of draft picks.
LyleLanley
Banned
Normal injury time is 3-4 months, you're talking about literally the worst case scenario where the injury requires a bone graft injury
MetalFearSolid
Banned
The setback is hiring Bryan Colangelo.
I was quoting what you said, but accidentally put 6 months instead of 4 lol. I don't expect any long term issues, but a rookie missing that much of his first season is definitely a setback.
LyleLanley
Banned
Blake Griffin doesn't have a ring. Checkmate.
Well it's not like I'm saying the injury will stop him from reaching his potential(that will be dependent on his shooting and dispelling the questions people had about his mentality in college). There are things players can only learn on the floor and he won't be able to practice for months so in my eyes it's a setback.
LyleLanley
Banned
Simmons expected to miss three months. RIP.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I mean, that means he'll be back in December and will play most of the season. It's not ideal, but it's not half of or the entire season being missed here. Plus, it's not like the 6ers were about to compete for anything.
Here's hoping for a full (if not speedy) recovery. Nothing would be worse than a recurrence or some sort of stress-related injury in his other leg or knee due to trying to compensate.
LyleLanley
Banned
Stop living in the past, he's dead and we all have to move on.
LyleLanley
Banned
We did it!
panthapanda
Member
Why is Harden a PG
MetalFearSolid
Banned
Fantasy gem news right there
Is this true. Lol.
Shmeagatory94
Member
I remember someone I was playing basketball with telling me that Harden was gonna run point. I mean, I think he can pass the ball pretty well when he isnt trying to score.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
Raps > Dubs
One of the best playmakers in the league when he's not being lazy with the ball.
Watching harden play PG tonight was interesting. Dude was throwing fucking alley oops everywhere and he definitely knows how to pass. If he doesn't get lazy he honestly could be a freak of scoring and passing. Tonight he showed flashes of it
But holy shit it seems Westbrook and harden are going to be top two to grab fantasy wise. These guys are going to just rack up points due to assists and points alone.
But holy shit it seems Westbrook and harden are going to be top two to grab fantasy wise. These guys are going to just rack up points due to assists and points alone.
Shmeagatory94
Member
Yep i was thinking the exact same thing. If i get #1 pick in my cousins league im thinking of goin Westbrook. We should have a Gaf fantasy league, could be fun!