UnObtainium17
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If nobody mentioned it was fake I would still believed it to be true because it is something that this knucklehead would likely do.
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NBA Offseason |OT| "It's a complete shit move, but we're stuck with it now"
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Nate Duncan's Dunc'd On Podcast had a two part 'mock offseason' where Nate was the player agent and three analysts (Pelton, Danny Leroux, Dan Feldman) each represented a group of teams. Pretty interesting stuff - very long. They go player by player.
My conclusion is that this summer is going to be absolutely crazy. Not speaking about the max or near max guys - but when this podcast breaks it down, it's clear that the third tier guys are going to rake it in after a day or two of free agency. I'm not sure people realize how much guys like Tyler Johnson, Seth Curry, Solomon Hill, Langston Galloway, Tim Frazier, Ian Mahinmi, etc. are going to fetch.
We'll laugh about the contracts here but we really are in a new reality.
Also, Jared Sullinger is the 8th best FA available.
My conclusion is that this summer is going to be absolutely crazy. Not speaking about the max or near max guys - but when this podcast breaks it down, it's clear that the third tier guys are going to rake it in after a day or two of free agency. I'm not sure people realize how much guys like Tyler Johnson, Seth Curry, Solomon Hill, Langston Galloway, Tim Frazier, Ian Mahinmi, etc. are going to fetch.
We'll laugh about the contracts here but we really are in a new reality.
Also, Jared Sullinger is the 8th best FA available.
LyleLanley
Banned
I swear to god if the Celtics give Sully a max contract I will fight Ainge.
Edit:
Apparently it looks like Ante Zizic wants to come over to Boston this year instead of staying in Europe.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Woj says Marvin Williams could get $15 million per season. What a time to be alive.
fuuuuuuuuck
LyleLanley
Banned
What do we think the worst contract given out this summer is going to be? My money is on whatever Evan Turner gets.
I say we give Sully the max. Love watching him shoot threes.
LyleLanley
Banned
After I'm done fighting Ainge I'm coming for you.
To me, it's about length rather than dollar figure. A contract is only truly terrible if it's getting into the 4-5 year range. Dwight is a top contender if the wrong team gives it to him. Marvin Williams could make $15M. The podcast settled on something like 4 years, $64 million for Lin - wow.
The Whiteside max terrifies me.
Also, we should stop talking about the 'max' like it's one thing. There's a ton of variations on it. The money isn't the only thing - if you hear players are demanding (and getting) stuff like 4th-5th year Player Options, Trade Kickers, etc., then it's time to be worried.
The article I linked casually suggests $10-15M per. Sully's not useless, but that would be tough to swallow. I think they can move on from Sully fairly easily though; Turner, even though he might not be as good of a player, seems a little more important.
Where'd you read that about Zizic? Anything about summer league?
LyleLanley
Banned
Reporters on Twitter are saying that about Zizic based on talking to him since he got to Boston. As for Summer league, the only thing I've heard is that Young will probably be there for the third straight year along with Rozier, Hunter and presumably any of the rookies they don't ship off to Europe.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I was hesitant on the Whiteside max but the way money is being thrown around there aren't going to be an values to be had. Might as well throw max money at the 27 year old 2 way center who can play the PNR rather than Noah or Dwight.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Resigning Williams and Batum would also make it nigh impossible for the Hornets to retain Lin, too, since they don't have his Bird rights.
LyleLanley
Banned
Couldn't they sign him first and then retain Williams and Batum using their Bird rights?
Randolph Freelander
Member
I would have to look it up, but I think their cap holds would still price Lin out.
Edit: according to this site http://www.spotrac.com/nba/charlotte-hornets/cap/ , Charlotte's salaries + cap holds put them almost 20 million over the actual cap. They would have to renounce rights to some players and sign others to significantly less than their holds to free up room to sign Lin.
Nice. I really want to see Zizic. I heard Young was playing. Presumably Mickey will be there. The second rounders (Jackson and Bentil) too. Stacked.
My concerns on handing him that contract are entirely about his temperament, consistency and reliability. I think he was in a really good spot in Miami. I'd have concerns about throwing him to a rookie coach and a bunch of 20-25 year olds in LA.
Youth and upside.
The Notre Dame guard we drafted is probably better than Rozier and we will end up waiving him. Young is a joke. Can hit shots in D league but not the NBA.
LyleLanley
Banned
I guess it depends on what happens with Jefferson. If they get rid of him they would probably be able to keep everyone else.
But he's only 20! James Young is a cautionary tale of falling in love with a prospects potential.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Renouncing rights to Jefferson gets them to the cap, but they would have to also renounce Courtney Lee to free up enough room to make a market-reasonable offer to Lin.
Jaylen Brown
I hope the Celtics skip free agency instead of overpaying average players. It won't move the needle anyway.LyleLanley
Banned
This summer is going to be so stupid.
Randolph Freelander
Member
This summer is going to be so stupid.
I'm retir... oh, you'll pay me how much?
I feel like getting marco belinelli was them preparing for life without lee
also jefferson said that money isn't an issue with him, he wants to retire in charlotte. said he's fortunate that he was smart with his money up until now so he doesn't need that last big paycheck.
LyleLanley
Banned
That's great to say now but what happens when some team comes offering that huge paycheck?
This summer is going to be so stupid.
Still a quality rotation player.
Horford Sweepstakes
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16584686/atlanta-hawks-want-get-involved-kevin-durant-sweepstakes
Lakers and Knicks trying to convince Durants agents to get a meeting with him but it doesn't look like that will happen.
Atlanta is also trying for Durant but if they miss out they are going to go after Dwight Howard. They want Howard and Horford to play together.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16584686/atlanta-hawks-want-get-involved-kevin-durant-sweepstakes
Lakers and Knicks trying to convince Durants agents to get a meeting with him but it doesn't look like that will happen.
Atlanta is also trying for Durant but if they miss out they are going to go after Dwight Howard. They want Howard and Horford to play together.
we'll see. honestly I really don't care about keeping al. with cody moving to the 5 full time now and the hornets seemingly going after a rimprotecting big this off season we would end up with too many bigs who can't space the floor.
Randolph Freelander
Member
All of this discussion is moot since we know the Hornets are going to clear cap space and sign Kevin Durant.
If I know Kevin Durant like I know Kevin Durant, he loves the teal and purple.
If I know Kevin Durant like I know Kevin Durant, he loves the teal and purple.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Horford strikes me as this year's LMA, I think he'll try and go to a contender. Not sure why the Lakers are bothering to try and get meetings with him or Durant.
Tommy dissed Horford. No bueno..
Ninja Scooter
Member
The only problem for Horford is that I've read he is supposedly not interested in playing Center, which is probably where he is a best fit for teams with a ton of space.
LyleLanley
Banned
Supposedly Durant wants to play with Horford and the C's are one of the few teams that can add them both easily.
I listened to this over the weekend, it's great. Dunc'd On in general may be the best basketball pod out there.
They also just put out a part 2, can't wait to listen.
Damn, no bueno. Not that he wouldn't be good for some teams playing the 4, but he's a perfect modern center imo.
I don't know about easily. They'd still have to shed a lot of salary. There was a vertical piece saying what teams had to shed just to get Durant at the max (26mil per) and the Cs still had to move pieces just for him. But they were in the easiest position cap wise.
I think they'd just have to renounce the options on Amir and Jerebko. The problem is I think they need to do that this week before FA begins Friday. Those contracts are pretty good. Both would make way more money on the open market (Amir is at $12M, Jonas at $5M) and are very tradeable given the market, so I'd be surprised if the Celts did that. It might give a clue they think they can make big moves if they do.
LyleLanley
Banned
It would be easy if they let Sullinger go and don't pick up the options of Amir and Jerebko.
So, apparently, a local sports writer in philly just suggested Nerlens Noel and the Lakers pick next year for Shaun Livingston.
How does this guy have a job in sports? He apparently referred to the Lakers pick as "annoying" as well.
Those are the people that are anti-process btw, these were the idiots the NBA appealed too when they got rid of Hinkie.
How does this guy have a job in sports? He apparently referred to the Lakers pick as "annoying" as well.
Those are the people that are anti-process btw, these were the idiots the NBA appealed too when they got rid of Hinkie.
LyleLanley
Banned
Gotta get that championship experience no matter what the cost.
jordan0386
Member
This summer is going to be so stupid.
Trying to hang on for the money.
Keep cashing them checks!
I know I would, what's the point of retiring anyways? So you can go be an assistant college coach and wish you were on the floor?
LyleLanley
Banned
Why Jaylen Brown Has "Ridiculous Upside"
This made me feel good.
I've always said that if I were a professional athlete I would play for as long as anyone would pay me even the minimum assuming I wouldn't be risking permanent physical damage. Retiring on top is overrated.
This made me feel good.
I've always said that if I were a professional athlete I would play for as long as anyone would pay me even the minimum assuming I wouldn't be risking permanent physical damage. Retiring on top is overrated.
I still would've taken Murray, but honestly, 3-8 were a crapshoot of 1-2 skill players who can probably be starters. I doubt this is what the Celtics or Celtics fans vision with the 3rd overall pick, but hey, sometimes there are just some bad NBA draft classes, and sometimes you're unlucky.
My big concern is that Ainge hasnt been the best drafter on earth, and this can be very problematic for a team with as many draft picks as the celtics have. I really like their strategy (btw their trade to get the 2019 Grizzlies pick was genius) but Ainge really needs to hope Brown pans out in a very positive way.
My big concern is that Ainge hasnt been the best drafter on earth, and this can be very problematic for a team with as many draft picks as the celtics have. I really like their strategy (btw their trade to get the 2019 Grizzlies pick was genius) but Ainge really needs to hope Brown pans out in a very positive way.
LyleLanley
Banned
Ainge has his misses but he's a pretty solid drafter overall I'd say.
AgentChris
Member
Knicks would not max Noah though. He would have to take a hometown discount for a year or two and prove that he is healthy.
I really don't get the criticism of Ainge as a drafter, personally. Brown was the first top 5 pick he's ever made. He's made a lot of great picks out of the lottery which is where he has drafted, consistently getting starter quality players far more often than other GMS. Sure he's missed a couple players and hasn't hit a grand slam on any particular pick (other than maybe Rondo) but 2/3 of the league missed those very same guys.
The fact that he's made few lottery picks is a testament to the fact that the team has been pretty good under his tenure.
If the Celts walk away from this era of Brooklyn picks with little to show for it, I'll change my tune.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
If Whiteside decides to walk, I really hope the Heat ends up pursuing Horford. I feel like between KD, Whiteside, and even Dwight, Horford has been overshadowed this off season. He apparently does not want to play as a Center anymore, which could work for us. He could be our PF and Bosh can be moved back to Center.
LyleLanley
Banned
No one's taking a discount this summer. I don't even play professional basketball and I'm probably getting a max contract offer from the Kings.