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NBA Offseason Thread! All offseason NBA talk in THIS thread!
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Chesapeake Silt said:
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Ninja Scooter
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Matrix said:
First of all, I've said all along that both Kobe and Shaq are being selfish assholes in this whole situation, so i don't see why you guys keep bringing him up.
Second of all, the situations are pretty damn different. Kobe has said all along he plans to opt out and be a free agent. He never used that to try and force trades and shit. Tmac and Francis, on the other hand, want to ACT like free agents, when they are not. I have no pity for Tmac. He whined and left Vince in TO because he wanted to be the man. He teased the Heat and Bulls like a bitch, then signed with Orlando, knowing Grant Hill's ankle was shit, he says he doesn't want to play alongside Howard because he doesn't want to wait around for a high schooler to develop (he should thank his lucky stars Toronto didn't feel the same way about his chump ass), and now he wants to whine his way to a team with another star. Whats gonna happen when he has a couple rough seasons in Houston and gets tired of Van Gundy's slow offense? Another forced trade?
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
G4life98 said:
The thing is he's done this before and its pretty damn selfish and inmature.I call him a sissy because if things dont go the Steve Francis way he's starts crying.I recall and interview las year when rumors where flying he would be traded and I recall him saying that he would never do that to another club,he just didnt want to play in Canada and they had Bibby at the time and he wanted to play PG.Well hello Orlando would be your team and they are pretty damn far from Canada.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Ninja Scooter said:
This is not a forced trade,Orlando just doesnt want to lose him so they're making the trade....ITS FLASHBACK SHAQ TIME.After this season Tmac can opt out,like I said Orlando is jumping the gun all cause of past history and cause they wont sign any veterans to help him.Kobe is god in LA and the team will be shaped around him,they wont do that shit for Tmac in Orlando.Why do you think Steve is bitching,he doesnt want to deal with what Tmac has had to.The only reason why I'm angry at Steve is cause he has no opt out clause,I dont get why he should get to decide wtf he goes and doesnt go when his contract is already signed and sealed.If the Magic decided to keep Tmac this season it would be their loss,its smart for them to get rid of him now.
Who cares if he teased the Heat and Bulls,every player does that when they're a free agent....shit I would tease the Bulls all I could
FrenchMovieTheme
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hmmm, a player whining to get his way involving a trade... why does that ring a bell to me...
"DEER NFL, IZ WRITIN DIS 4 LET U NO AINT NO WAY THIS SIDE OF TENN CHATT IM GONE PLAY 4 RAVENZ. TERRY D SNAKE IN DA GRASS, IT MY LIFE ITS NOW OR NEVER I AINT GONNA LIVE FOREVER, GOTS TO PLAY 4 EAGLES MAN. MY LIFE MY CHOICE. RULEZ IS RULEZ MAN BUT U KNOW I GOTS TO GIT MINE. HIT ME UP ON MY 2 WAY IF U GOT ?'S. SEE U IN PHILLY"
"DEER NFL, IZ WRITIN DIS 4 LET U NO AINT NO WAY THIS SIDE OF TENN CHATT IM GONE PLAY 4 RAVENZ. TERRY D SNAKE IN DA GRASS, IT MY LIFE ITS NOW OR NEVER I AINT GONNA LIVE FOREVER, GOTS TO PLAY 4 EAGLES MAN. MY LIFE MY CHOICE. RULEZ IS RULEZ MAN BUT U KNOW I GOTS TO GIT MINE. HIT ME UP ON MY 2 WAY IF U GOT ?'S. SEE U IN PHILLY"
Ninja Scooter
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Matrix said:This is not a forced trade,Orlando just doesnt want to lose him so they're making the trade....ITS FLASHBACK SHAQ TIME.After this season Tmac can opt out,like I said Orlando is jumping the gun all cause of past history and cause they wont sign any veterans to help him.Kobe is god in LA and the team will be shaped around him,they wont do that shit for Tmac in Orlando.Why do you think Steve is bitching,he doesnt want to deal with what Tmac has had to.The only reason why I'm angry at Steve is cause he has no opt out clause,I dont get why he should get to decide wtf he goes and doesnt go when his contract is already signed and sealed.If the Magic decided to keep Tmac this season it would be their loss,its smart for them to get rid of him now.
Who cares if he teased the Heat and Bulls,every player does that when they're a free agent....shit I would tease the Bulls all I could
Bull. Orlando is more than willing to build around Tmac. Shit, they have the number 1 pick in the draft for crissakes. McGreedy is just not willing to "rebuild". For some reason, he must think he's above that.
FrenchMovieTheme said:hmmm, a player whining to get his way involving a trade... why does that ring a bell to me...
"DEER NFL, IZ WRITIN DIS 4 LET U NO AINT NO WAY THIS SIDE OF TENN CHATT IM GONE PLAY 4 RAVENZ. TERRY D SNAKE IN DA GRASS, IT MY LIFE ITS NOW OR NEVER I AINT GONNA LIVE FOREVER, GOTS TO PLAY 4 EAGLES MAN. MY LIFE MY CHOICE. RULEZ IS RULEZ MAN BUT U KNOW I GOTS TO GIT MINE. HIT ME UP ON MY 2 WAY IF U GOT ?'S. SEE U IN PHILLY"
LOL
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Ninja Scooter said:
I recall your bitch Kobe not wanting to play for the Hornets when he was first drafted,I'm sorry but Laker fans talking shit about Tmac and rebuilding just doesnt bother me.Tmac is following the rules based on his signed contract and Steve isnt,its as simple as that.
So what if Tmac doesnt want to deal with rebuilding for another 15 years when the players around him are horrid,unlike what Steve has had to deal with.Why do you care so much? afraid Kobes leaving you and the Rockets will have the new west power combo
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
G4life98 said:dont forget about this famous whinner...
guess he is a punk now too.
He is a punk,never liked him cause he would always pull off miracle wins against the Oilers
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Fifty said:You Houston fans will freak out if you don't get him.
HAHA if the Rockets thought attendence was shit last year..if this falls apart we might see expos type shit.I cant even see how Francis,Mobley and Cato could even play for Gundy now :\ I could see another trade happen that would be far worse and I dread that.
Once again, do you guys honestly think McGrady won't resign with a contender like Indiana or Phoenix just because they are not his first choice? Especially when you consider that not resigning with them would mean a massive pay cut? It makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, a team like Phoenix (because of the style they will play) and Indiana (because they are in the east) make more sense than Houston for his own personal interests.
It's all irrelevant because NBA players will always stay wherever they can get their max contract. Just ask Chris Webber.
It's all irrelevant because NBA players will always stay wherever they can get their max contract. Just ask Chris Webber.
Matrix said:
As a Hornet fan from 1988-2002 I take execption to that remark. The Hornets circa 1996 were MUCH better than the Magic of today. All we lacked was a center on that team, to be filled by Vlade. We couldn't have found a better center at #13.
Kobe didn't want to play for anyone but the Lakers, it was a different circumstance than what McGrady is doing now. I'll have to take McGrady-fan's side here, at least he's being up-front and not leaving without getting anything in return. Charlotte would have never drafted Kobe had the deal for Divac not been in place. It's really just apples and oranges.
Bat said:
AFAIK, McGrady can ONLY get a true max deal with the Magic. Any other team signing him to an extension (even if he becomes part of the team via trade) can only sign him to the FA value MAX. The "Larry Bird" exception (where Garnett got paid heavily for instance) only applies when a player is with a team for a certain amount of years. If McGrady goes to another team now, he'll only get the FA Max, rather than the Franchise player Max that Orlando could offer.
DJ_Tet said:
Nope, the Larry Bird rule carries over with the current contract when a trade occurs. That is why Jason Kidd was able to sign with NJ (despite NJ being over the cap, which is what the rule really applies to) even though he was only there for two years (the Larry Bird rules applies for players being with the current "team" for three years). So the Rockets could resign him for the max if the trade gets done. However, if TMac is traded to a team he doesn't like and then opts out, he would be limited by the salary cap of whatever team he wants to sign with. Since no good team will likely be far enough under the cap to offer him a max contract, he'd have to either sign for a low amount with whatever team he wants, sign a max contract with a bad team, or sign for the max with the team he was traded to.
There are also two seperate issues here. First is the Larry Bird rule, which states that a team can go over the salary cap to resign a player that's been in that contract for 3+ years. That is why TMac would likely have to resign with whatever team he's traded for, as the others couldn't go over the cap to resign him. This rule has been there since the 80s and is indeed what was used to give Garnett his ridiculous contract. The second issue is the mandated values for "max" contracts. Indeed, the player max is higher than the FA max, but the player max applies to free agents resigning with their current teams (like Kobe Bryant is about to do for $140 million). However, these limits are totally unrelated to the Larry Bird rule. They were implemented in the last CBA (1999) and would have made Garnett's contract impossible if they were around then.
So essentially, the only way TMac gets his max contract is if a) the team he's traded to resigns him or b)he finds another team through FA that is way under the cap (and even here he wouldn't get the same money as he would if he just resigned).
That doesn't make much sense to me that the Larry Bird rule follows the contract rather than the player, but you may be right.
It's too late for me to think about and it's been two years since I had a team so you may very well be right. Doesn't have to make sense to be correct I guess.
It's too late for me to think about and it's been two years since I had a team so you may very well be right. Doesn't have to make sense to be correct I guess.
Well, I think the reason it is like that is because a team can trade a player without his permission, so it would be pretty unfair to be traded in the last year of your contract and then not being able to resign for a fair price if your new team is over the cap.
For example, let's say Shaq is traded to Dallas. If Bird rights don't carry over in a trade, for Shaq to resign with Dallas in two years he would have to take the mid-level exception because Dallas is over the cap. That's be pretty ridiculous...
For example, let's say Shaq is traded to Dallas. If Bird rights don't carry over in a trade, for Shaq to resign with Dallas in two years he would have to take the mid-level exception because Dallas is over the cap. That's be pretty ridiculous...
Blackace
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john tv said:
Who me? naw never!
We will see, I think the Magic wouldn't wise to pass up Shawn... Also Joe Johnson (I like this guy) Both who don't seem to think they are bigger than the League... like "The Frachise" does... Good for both teams... good for Tmac... good for Shawn and Joe... good for everyone but Rocket fans!
RobotChant
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McGrady and Francis are doing the same thing. They're both complaining and whining about their situations or in Francis' case, situation to be. McGrady is pretty much using the opt-out clause to scare Orlando into doing what he wants. I don't see how that's an admirable thing at all. He doesn't want to play for the Magic and it'd be a great benefit to him to be traded now rather than to play another year, and then opt out. Opting out would bring up contract, and cap space issues and make signing with a top tier team more complicated. He's not doing this as a favor for Orlando.
Blackace said:
Like I said in a previous post, it's a bullshit rumour (hell, the people who broke it now say it was just banter between the radio hosts). It's been around for a while, but I don't think they've seriously looked at it this year. I'd much rather have VC...he's a far better shooter, and his body isn't in the process of breaking down like AI's appears to be doing. And AI's making 17 mill a year for the next four or five years...that's a little too much for a player who's gonna be giving you diminishing returns.
Matrix said:
WTF do I care? You saw the stories a couple pages back...Indiana still wants to talk, and they're not getting their calls returned.
Which means they're interested in making a deal, but Orlando aren't feeling them. I wouldn't make that gamble if I'm Larry Bird, but if Indiana is willing to do so, then so be it. If T-Mac splits right after, that's their problem, not mine, and certainly not Orlando's. T-Mac doesn't have that much power when it comes to this trade...if a team is willing to assume the risk of losing him after next year, then T-Mac can't say shit about getting traded there. Doesn't matter if that makes sense or not...it's not me who's making the offers.
G4life98 said:
The funny thing is that T-Mac doesn't want to play for them either...though again, the circumstances are a little different. But not that different. Let's not act like he's some sort of hero here.
Matrix said:
Ninja Scooter said:
Ah, there's the rub...that's why I wouldn't expect T-Mac to be a Rocket for life. He's a total mercernery, which he has the right to be I suppose. Just don't be surprised if he tires of Houston in four years, so he can be the man again or whatever the excuse is next time 'round.
G4life98 said:dont forget about this famous whinner...
guess he is a punk now too.
No no, he's not a punk now cause he was a lifer Bronco, and won Superbowls! Being white doesn't hurt either...shoot, how'd that slip out.
Again, T-Mac is a bitch...he might be going along with the letter of the law as far as his contractual situation goes, but he's still a bitch. He joined Orlando not only to be the man, but because he wanted to play at home. Well why not stay there a few more years and build the team back up, instead of wanting to play a thousand miles away in Texas? The team had one bad year, and that's enough for him to bolt. But again he was a bitch when he left here ("Yeah, I'll give you guys a chance to resign me...haha, made you look!"), so this isn't exactly a story here.
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Bat said:
Exactly...if the team's competitive, he'll stay with the fucking Bobcats if that's where he's dealt.
Bat said:
Yep...and the reason why Shaq wants to get traded is to take advantage of the Larry Bird rule and resign for like 50 million a year, or whatever the silly figure is.
Apparently the Clippers offered a package including Maggette and Brand for Shaq, which would be a ridiculously good trade for the Lakers. However, Shaq would opt out if traded to the Clippers, so talks are off for that trade.
Seems like threating to not resign is the fashionable threat from players these days...
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Seems like threating to not resign is the fashionable threat from players these days...
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Im not mad and Eli (Biased Giants Fan).
But is Frances crys again about the team he is going to he needs to be shot. How messed up is it that he choose his future twice...Not Fair. But when you think about it you kinda feel for Frances. With the de-construction of the Lakers the West is no on relativly equal footing with San Antonio leading the Pack.
Just as Houstons chances for a ring where opening up he has to leave town. I would be upset myself.
Is it me or is this "Im not play for (insert team here)" thing just gettng a Liiiiiitle outta hand ?
And Vince Carter is on the Record as saying he wants to play with the Hornets. IF he goes and IF he stays healthy, im thinking the Hornets could make a decent run at the Championship.
But is Frances crys again about the team he is going to he needs to be shot. How messed up is it that he choose his future twice...Not Fair. But when you think about it you kinda feel for Frances. With the de-construction of the Lakers the West is no on relativly equal footing with San Antonio leading the Pack.
Just as Houstons chances for a ring where opening up he has to leave town. I would be upset myself.
Is it me or is this "Im not play for (insert team here)" thing just gettng a Liiiiiitle outta hand ?
And Vince Carter is on the Record as saying he wants to play with the Hornets. IF he goes and IF he stays healthy, im thinking the Hornets could make a decent run at the Championship.
Matrix said:
No, seeing as Shag could pull them to the Championship with about 2 years work. Shaq is no diffrent from Jordan in his abailty to command and run a team. Kobe-Jordan is not the right comparison in L.A.
Anyway, where in for a big suprise. Seeing as their is no East team that could afford him. And the Lakers wanna get him outta the west so they would only have to see him in the finals should he make it that far.
Stop that crazy talk! I'm having a difficult time dealing with the possibility of Dirk going to LA, but Nash too? Did you know Nash's brother plays soccer for the Dallas Sidekicks and they're really close? But business is business.bionic77 said:
On a different note, the Chicago Times is reporting that the Bulls and Boston are in talks for Paul Pierce. Boston would get the Bulls' 3rd pick plus a couple of players.
DJ_Tet said:
I think you were sort of right though. There is a minimum of a full season I believe. For instance if Orlando did not trade him now, but instead mid-season next year... then the new team would not benefit from the cap exception.
AirBrian said:
Get used to the idea of Dirk and Nash in LA. The White Revolution has begun and it will not be stopped. It cannot be stopped, much like Oliver Miller at 'all you can eat' buffet or Micheal Jackson at a orphanage. It is just a unstoppable force that will take over the NBA and bring a few more banners to LA!
Do people in Chicago even watch basketball anymore? I wonder if Pierce would be enough to get them excited. And wtf is Ainge's plan? Get rid of all the good players, replace them with high priced scrubs, and then not get Kobe Bryant and other high priced free agents? That is the Jerry Krause philosophy for mediocrity and Chicago fans can tell us how well it works.
Ninja Scooter
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RobotChant said:
Thank You. Thats exactly what i was saying, but apparently Matrix and Miguel couldn't get off Kobe's dick for 2 seconds to address it. KOBE KOBE KOBE KOBE KOBE! jesus fucking christ.
as for TWhack/Yao being the new power combo? Yeah, maybe when Yao and his tiny little baby lungs can play more than a 5 minute stretch w/o needing a breather.
Matrix said:
Matrix said:
DMczaf said:
Fifty said:
Matrix said:Also Steve has been a bitch from day one..ask Bish
Matrix said:
"Tim tried to warn you bitches about me, and you laughed! Who's laughing now?"
Baby, here Im holdin your team hostage
The ransom for you, sugar, be priceless
Cause you been gettin at me in many a ways
Now tell your GM to watch his back and duck them strays
I know youre gettin bored
Dealin with him
I know you miss my lovin, my thuggin
Thug lovin
"Stevie, you my NIGGA!"
According to today's ESPN Insider article, the Magic are getting cold feet not only because of Francis, but because of the immmense backlash from the media to a percieved lopsided trade. Apparently, most of the talk is now between Orlando and Phoenix. Although McGrady still insists he won't resign anywhere but Houston, the Suns might be willing to call his bluff.
There is also a TON of other crap going on.....so many trades in the air....i'll post the entire article later if its not already up here.
Also, Bill Simmons has his annual ranking of the top 40 most valuable players (in a trade) up: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040622
There is also a TON of other crap going on.....so many trades in the air....i'll post the entire article later if its not already up here.
Also, Bill Simmons has his annual ranking of the top 40 most valuable players (in a trade) up: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040622
Rumor has it that the Jazz want Drobjnak and are willing to trade their #21 pick. I think we should package in Zaza Pachulia and grab their #16 from them, and draft Jameer Nelson with that pick. Then, we can sign Jamal Crawford in FA and we'd be set @ PG. We'd also sign Stromile Swift in FA and maybe Brian Cardinal. Then we'd hope that the Magic take D. Howard and have Okafor fall in our lap, to create this team:
PG: Jamal Crawford, Jameer Nelson
SG: Gerald Wallace, Tamar Slay
SF: Jason Kapono, Brian Cardinal, Theron Smith
PF: Stromile Swift, Brandon Hunter, Jamal Sampson
C: Emeka Okafor, Primoz Brezec
PG: Jamal Crawford, Jameer Nelson
SG: Gerald Wallace, Tamar Slay
SF: Jason Kapono, Brian Cardinal, Theron Smith
PF: Stromile Swift, Brandon Hunter, Jamal Sampson
C: Emeka Okafor, Primoz Brezec
Ninja Scooter
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Bat said:
i don't know why they didn't go with Phoenix to begin with (well i know why, cause of McGreedy). Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, and the no. 7 pick in the draft is a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better deal than getting 2 overrated, overpaid, undersized shooting guards.
Ninja Scooter
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BWAHAHAHAHAH! Simmons is too much.
From that Bill Simmons article:
"Marquis Daniels -- Only because he's cracking the Top 40 next season. Mark my words. Since he went undrafted last year -- which seems impossible in the same draft that gave us Reece Gaines at No. 15 -- he's actually a free agent this summer. Not that "The Benefactor" wouldn't match any offer, but still.
(Speaking of dreadful-yet-absorbing ABC reality-TV shows, did you see that Jesse Palmer and his Bachelor pick broke up already? Do you realize the Bachelor is 0-for-5 now? That show is more contrived than one of Tom Tolbert's suits. Is there a reason they haven't tried to change their luck with "Black Bachelor" yet? Just reverse the process - a black bachelor, 23 black bachelorettes, and then two token white chicks that get voted off by Round 2. And instead of Palmer, they could have a real catch -- someone making big bucks, like Lamar Odom or Michael Vick. Let the groupies fight it out. This would be unbelievable.)"
LOL
"Marquis Daniels -- Only because he's cracking the Top 40 next season. Mark my words. Since he went undrafted last year -- which seems impossible in the same draft that gave us Reece Gaines at No. 15 -- he's actually a free agent this summer. Not that "The Benefactor" wouldn't match any offer, but still.
(Speaking of dreadful-yet-absorbing ABC reality-TV shows, did you see that Jesse Palmer and his Bachelor pick broke up already? Do you realize the Bachelor is 0-for-5 now? That show is more contrived than one of Tom Tolbert's suits. Is there a reason they haven't tried to change their luck with "Black Bachelor" yet? Just reverse the process - a black bachelor, 23 black bachelorettes, and then two token white chicks that get voted off by Round 2. And instead of Palmer, they could have a real catch -- someone making big bucks, like Lamar Odom or Michael Vick. Let the groupies fight it out. This would be unbelievable.)"
LOL
Bat said:
Phoenix isnt interested in giving up Shawn Marion last I heard..
bionic77 said:
According to Mav's owner, Dirk is going NO WHERE. So you have nothing to worry about. And Paul Pierce ? Please, no way in hell could he put in Chicagos seats. LOL...Chi town showed how much of front runners they where. The town couldnt get enough of them when they where in their prime. But now that they don't win all the and don't have Jordan taking them to the finals, they show no love for the team.
I expect that behavior from Atlanta Fans...
Ninja Scooter
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Cuban didn't say "dirk is going nowhere", he just said "Dirk is as close to untouchable as we have" or something like that, which is a very 'politician-esque' statement. And IIRC, he said that a few days ago, according to him before the Lakers even contacted him.
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