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UFC PRIDE said:
You guys didn't sign (and keep) a single player in the Rivals Top 25, so yeah, I'd be surprised.
The #7 probably included Telfair. Juan Palacios and Brian Johnson do not make what I'd call the #7 class in the nation.Of the Top 150, Louisville got #30, #41, and #87. Come on, let's be realistic here.
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manute bol hurt. manute bol fans crying....
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040701/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_manute_bol_accident_3
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040701/ap_on_sp_bk_ne/bkn_manute_bol_accident_3
Catchpenny
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I doubt he'll take the job...he would be a fool to, at any rate. Guy is treated like a king at Duke. His offices make up the top floor of their six-story basketball facility, and it's fingerprint access only to get up there. He'd probably like to outdo Dean Smith in the total wins department, too. Maybe Coach K is just bored at Duke, but I think he'd dislike working at the pro level.
Not that I care much either way about Duke basketball, but my grandfather was a professor there so I hear about this shit all the time.
Not that I care much either way about Duke basketball, but my grandfather was a professor there so I hear about this shit all the time.
By Brian Schmitz | Sentinel Staff Writer
The only thing more blunt than the question was Orlando Magic General Manager John Weisbrod's answer. And it went a long way to explaining why Tracy McGrady was in Houston on Wednesday as a former employee of the club.
"Would it be fair to say that Tracy is not your type of player?"
"Yes," Weisbrod said.
A day after McGrady said the Magic wanted him out and didn't try to persuade him to stay, Weisbrod lashed back at the superstar he traded to the Rockets on Tuesday in a multiplayer deal.
"He definitely said that he wanted out. I think both sides of it are true," Weisbrod said. " I think he made up his mind around the all-star break [in February] that he was out. I think they communicated that to us immediately after the season was over so that is definitely true.
"The fact that we didn't go chasing him down to change his mind, that I didn't call him on his birthday, that's true, too."
Asked if he would treat future stars in the same manner, Weisbrod said, "I'm not going to chase them down, say pretty please with sugar on top."
McGrady acknowledged to the Sentinel on Tuesday that he had difficulties with Weisbrod, a hard-nosed, no-nonsense former NHL player who replaced John Gabriel in March. "I don't like the way he handles things," McGrady said.
Weisbrod could say vice versa. While calling McGrady "arguably, the most physically talented player in the league," Weisbrod said the team was not going to progress if T-Mac returned and resembled the frustrated, unhappy star he was last season. He decided that for all his brilliance, McGrady was not conducive to creating a winning environment.
"Was it going to happen here, and was it going to happen in a way that was constructive?" Weisbrod asked. "And were we going to take a step forward next year instead of a step back? I don't think we would of."
Weisbrod has talked about changing the culture of losing that suffocated the Magic during a 21-61 season. He said he felt McGrady contributed to it by not acting like a driven leader and a committed professional, although he agreed that previous management did little to surround T-Mac with enough talent during his four seasons. Weisbrod wants to rebuild the club with passionate competitors, "guys who want to cover Kobe Bryant," he said. "Maybe he [McGrady] will develop into that, but he's not now."
His reference to Bryant may or may not have been a Freudian slip. When the Magic played the Lakers on March 15, they led Los Angeles by 11 at halftime, and Bryant had scored only one point. He erupted for 37 in the second half while also aggressively guarding McGrady in the fourth period to will the Lakers to a 113-110 victory in overtime at Staples Center.
When the Magic exited their bus to the team hotel, McGrady suggested that Weisbrod send the tapes of Bryant's roughhouse tactics against him to league headquarters. Weisbrod bristled at the notion, and angrily chastised McGrady for not playing defense on Bryant and matching his intensity.
Weisbrod still was fuming when reached his room. He then cooled off, called McGrady and explained to him that he only wanted to help him become the best player he could be.
According to one player and several other sources, there were other incidences in which Weisbrod looked at McGrady and didn't see his type of player.
Two days after the Magic lost to the Lakers, they were drilled by Golden State 110-85. After the game, McGrady questioned what the Magic -- 32 games under .500 -- were playing for, rankling Weisbrod and the coaching staff.
Weeks later, when a doctor or trainer was examining McGrady's left knee, which he said had been ailing him, he asked McGrady where it hurt. "Where do you want it to hurt?" McGrady was to have said, and it got back to Weisbrod.
The last straw, however, might have been March 28, when the Dallas Mavericks came to Orlando for a game televised on ABC. McGrady was sitting out because of the tendinitis in his knee. When interviewed during the game, he chastised his teammates and didn't exactly give Coach Johnny Davis, who had taken over after Doc Rivers had been fired in November, a glowing endorsement.
Weisbrod got a tape of the interview, gathered the team and played it in the locker room. He asked McGrady to explain himself in front of his teammates. McGrady apologized, but sources say Weisbrod "benched" McGrady after the incident. He effectively ended McGrady's season, and his Magic career, three days later by placing him on the injured list, without determining whether he could come back with seven games remaining.
By this time, according to Weisbrod, McGrady already had one foot out the door after letting the Magic know he wanted to be traded.
The Magic received point guard Steve Francis, guard Cuttino Mobley and center Kelvin Cato from the Rockets. Weisbrod was asked if Orlando came close to receiving equal compensation for its superstar.
"I think it starts with how you define a superstar," Weisbrod said. "I think superstars are defined by winning and making people around them better and making teams better. I think that part of it might have my perception a little bit different than most. I feel like we definitely got what we wanted. I felt like we definitely got value."
Weisbrod said the Magic "were better than we were yesterday," and added, "I'm definitely excited about our identity being different. Our identity was Tracy and supporting cast. I would like the identity of our teams going forward to be about team. It's a team sport."
The only thing more blunt than the question was Orlando Magic General Manager John Weisbrod's answer. And it went a long way to explaining why Tracy McGrady was in Houston on Wednesday as a former employee of the club.
"Would it be fair to say that Tracy is not your type of player?"
"Yes," Weisbrod said.
A day after McGrady said the Magic wanted him out and didn't try to persuade him to stay, Weisbrod lashed back at the superstar he traded to the Rockets on Tuesday in a multiplayer deal.
"He definitely said that he wanted out. I think both sides of it are true," Weisbrod said. " I think he made up his mind around the all-star break [in February] that he was out. I think they communicated that to us immediately after the season was over so that is definitely true.
"The fact that we didn't go chasing him down to change his mind, that I didn't call him on his birthday, that's true, too."
Asked if he would treat future stars in the same manner, Weisbrod said, "I'm not going to chase them down, say pretty please with sugar on top."
McGrady acknowledged to the Sentinel on Tuesday that he had difficulties with Weisbrod, a hard-nosed, no-nonsense former NHL player who replaced John Gabriel in March. "I don't like the way he handles things," McGrady said.
Weisbrod could say vice versa. While calling McGrady "arguably, the most physically talented player in the league," Weisbrod said the team was not going to progress if T-Mac returned and resembled the frustrated, unhappy star he was last season. He decided that for all his brilliance, McGrady was not conducive to creating a winning environment.
"Was it going to happen here, and was it going to happen in a way that was constructive?" Weisbrod asked. "And were we going to take a step forward next year instead of a step back? I don't think we would of."
Weisbrod has talked about changing the culture of losing that suffocated the Magic during a 21-61 season. He said he felt McGrady contributed to it by not acting like a driven leader and a committed professional, although he agreed that previous management did little to surround T-Mac with enough talent during his four seasons. Weisbrod wants to rebuild the club with passionate competitors, "guys who want to cover Kobe Bryant," he said. "Maybe he [McGrady] will develop into that, but he's not now."
His reference to Bryant may or may not have been a Freudian slip. When the Magic played the Lakers on March 15, they led Los Angeles by 11 at halftime, and Bryant had scored only one point. He erupted for 37 in the second half while also aggressively guarding McGrady in the fourth period to will the Lakers to a 113-110 victory in overtime at Staples Center.
When the Magic exited their bus to the team hotel, McGrady suggested that Weisbrod send the tapes of Bryant's roughhouse tactics against him to league headquarters. Weisbrod bristled at the notion, and angrily chastised McGrady for not playing defense on Bryant and matching his intensity.
Weisbrod still was fuming when reached his room. He then cooled off, called McGrady and explained to him that he only wanted to help him become the best player he could be.
According to one player and several other sources, there were other incidences in which Weisbrod looked at McGrady and didn't see his type of player.
Two days after the Magic lost to the Lakers, they were drilled by Golden State 110-85. After the game, McGrady questioned what the Magic -- 32 games under .500 -- were playing for, rankling Weisbrod and the coaching staff.
Weeks later, when a doctor or trainer was examining McGrady's left knee, which he said had been ailing him, he asked McGrady where it hurt. "Where do you want it to hurt?" McGrady was to have said, and it got back to Weisbrod.
The last straw, however, might have been March 28, when the Dallas Mavericks came to Orlando for a game televised on ABC. McGrady was sitting out because of the tendinitis in his knee. When interviewed during the game, he chastised his teammates and didn't exactly give Coach Johnny Davis, who had taken over after Doc Rivers had been fired in November, a glowing endorsement.
Weisbrod got a tape of the interview, gathered the team and played it in the locker room. He asked McGrady to explain himself in front of his teammates. McGrady apologized, but sources say Weisbrod "benched" McGrady after the incident. He effectively ended McGrady's season, and his Magic career, three days later by placing him on the injured list, without determining whether he could come back with seven games remaining.
By this time, according to Weisbrod, McGrady already had one foot out the door after letting the Magic know he wanted to be traded.
The Magic received point guard Steve Francis, guard Cuttino Mobley and center Kelvin Cato from the Rockets. Weisbrod was asked if Orlando came close to receiving equal compensation for its superstar.
"I think it starts with how you define a superstar," Weisbrod said. "I think superstars are defined by winning and making people around them better and making teams better. I think that part of it might have my perception a little bit different than most. I feel like we definitely got what we wanted. I felt like we definitely got value."
Weisbrod said the Magic "were better than we were yesterday," and added, "I'm definitely excited about our identity being different. Our identity was Tracy and supporting cast. I would like the identity of our teams going forward to be about team. It's a team sport."
It was after Smith and Telfair were gone because we were pegged #1 or 2 with Telfair and Smith.
It was collegesports.com: here's their rankings:
http://interact.fansonly.com/recruiting/basketball.cfm
1. Kentucky (Morris was the key; four Top 100s)
2. Kansas (five Top 100s)
3. Texas (Aldridge withdrew from draft; Horns have five Top 100s)
4. Indiana (Josh Smith lost to draft; Rothbart withdrew and Hoosiers still have five Top 100s)
5. UCLA (four Top 100s)
6. Oregon (four Top 100s)
7. Louisville (Telfair and Donta Smith lost to draft; still have three Top 100s)
8. Florida (three Top 100s)
9. Memphis
10. Alabama (three Top 100s)
11. Arkansas (Al Jefferson lost to draft; still have two Top 100s)
12. UConn
13. Michigan State
14. Missouri
15. Arizona
16. North Carolina (J.R. Smith lost to draft and cancelled letter to Curry; still have two Top 100s and Williams is the nation's best prospect not in the draft)
17. Florida State
18. Mississippi State
19. Georgia Tech
20. North Carolina State
21. Georgia
22. Duke (Livingston lost to draft; still have two Top 100s)
23. Vanderbilt
24. Iowa
25. BYU
Tie 25. California
Tie 25. Clemson
Tie 25. Dayton
Tie 25 Ohio State
Tie 25. Oklahoma State (gained Curry)
Tie 25. Virginia Tech
There it is. Plus we have Myles back next year for a solid inside presence and not lost much players of consequence this past year. Get ready.
It was collegesports.com: here's their rankings:
http://interact.fansonly.com/recruiting/basketball.cfm
1. Kentucky (Morris was the key; four Top 100s)
2. Kansas (five Top 100s)
3. Texas (Aldridge withdrew from draft; Horns have five Top 100s)
4. Indiana (Josh Smith lost to draft; Rothbart withdrew and Hoosiers still have five Top 100s)
5. UCLA (four Top 100s)
6. Oregon (four Top 100s)
7. Louisville (Telfair and Donta Smith lost to draft; still have three Top 100s)
8. Florida (three Top 100s)
9. Memphis
10. Alabama (three Top 100s)
11. Arkansas (Al Jefferson lost to draft; still have two Top 100s)
12. UConn
13. Michigan State
14. Missouri
15. Arizona
16. North Carolina (J.R. Smith lost to draft and cancelled letter to Curry; still have two Top 100s and Williams is the nation's best prospect not in the draft)
17. Florida State
18. Mississippi State
19. Georgia Tech
20. North Carolina State
21. Georgia
22. Duke (Livingston lost to draft; still have two Top 100s)
23. Vanderbilt
24. Iowa
25. BYU
Tie 25. California
Tie 25. Clemson
Tie 25. Dayton
Tie 25 Ohio State
Tie 25. Oklahoma State (gained Curry)
Tie 25. Virginia Tech
There it is. Plus we have Myles back next year for a solid inside presence and not lost much players of consequence this past year. Get ready.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
DMczaf said:
Rockets organization has always been first class,this is nothing new to me
I kinda feel for Steve,Mobes and Cato They're stuck with one first class grade A asshole GM.I'm not sure if Vince has even met with the new GM yet. He got married a few days ago...I believe, and he should keep his mouth shut until he knows what the direction of the team is. We needed a big man as our number one priority, so that's who we drafted. What "direction" is he talking about? Of course we're going to suck if our star player is sitting on the bench and crying like an Italian soccer player after every little bit of contact.
The Raptors are stupid.
just watch.
Carter will leave Toronto and become even more dominant like McGrady did when he left Toronto. Letting 2 of the top players in the sport to go is like... stupid. They should have built a better team around McGrady and Carter when they had the chance, damnit.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
just watch.
Carter will leave Toronto and become even more dominant like McGrady did when he left Toronto. Letting 2 of the top players in the sport to go is like... stupid. They should have built a better team around McGrady and Carter when they had the chance, damnit.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
There are no words. The largest sports news website in the world has errors like this in far too many stories. It seems as though it happens with every other news piece I read on the site.
Edit: Also, how could we not expect Carter wanting out? Hell, what fan of the Raptors didn't curse out the management when Araujo was selected? Carter just did it to a reporter
AirBrian said:Hey Carter, there's a vacancy in Dallas on July 14th...
Walker for Carter?
Oh yeah, trade away Vince for the guy that Dallas got in exchange for Raef Lafrenz.
"While the source told Aldridge that Carter presented four to six different trade proposals to the Raptors, the team has not granted Carter permission to seek a trade and Babcock said that the team has no plans to trade Carter."
So Vince presented four to six trades to the Raptors? Hah...
I'd love to be a fly on the wall on that room, if it's true.
mercboyz said:
I'm torn. The Suns already have a pretty good, young point guard. And what they needed the most is a shooting guard and center. Well maybe they can move Joe Johnson to shooting guard with Nash at the point. Oh well. All I have to say to Nash is.......
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Ninja Scooter
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sportscenter is also gonna do some report about a rumored Shaq for CWebb deal (please Mitch, don't you fucking do it). I may be forced to root for both Coach K AND Chris Webber? God, these fuckers are really testing my fandom.
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Paradox said:
hell yeah. Its funny that the two guys who everyone was assuming would change teams at around midseason, Allen Iverson and Kobe, might be the only two stars returning to their respective teams.
Nash was my favorite player on the Mavericks
Also, Manute Bol was in a serious car crash
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1832856
Also, Manute Bol was in a serious car crash
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1832856
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Meier said:
This is a good time to say just kidding! =P
Back to the Swift trade to Boston... at first the Sonics wanted to trade that pick... but now that they have him.. they have been pumping him up like the next coming...
Anyone else just see Tom Friend on Rome's show (Season 2 just started)? He just said that someone in the Lakers organization called him up after he ripped Kobe in his article and set him straight. Saying they were really upset about his article and that Shaq was the selfish one lol
Shaq is gone, folks....
Shaq is gone, folks....
Yeah and that old dude is a fucking idiot. Even though I'm pissed at Tracy right now, he doesnt know what the hell he's talking about.
And yeah Mig, I think the Magic will probably be better off without him as an overall team. He's a great player and so is Juwan Howard, but Cato is a good shot blocker and Mobley/Francis are both quality players.
And yeah Mig, I think the Magic will probably be better off without him as an overall team. He's a great player and so is Juwan Howard, but Cato is a good shot blocker and Mobley/Francis are both quality players.
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