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NBA Offseason Thread! All offseason NBA talk in THIS thread!

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Shinobi

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Fifty said:
I'm not sure if Vince has even met with the new GM yet. He got married a few days ago...I believe, and he should keep his mouth shut until he knows what the direction of the team is. We needed a big man as our number one priority, so that's who we drafted. What "direction" is he talking about? Of course we're going to suck if our star player is sitting on the bench and crying like an Italian soccer player after every little bit of contact.

This is why I hate the media...they float some shit out there, and then the naive, non-thinking fans latch onto it with their own spin and make a mountain out of a molehill.

VC and Babcock met either last week or the week before at the ACC for about an hour. Babcock said this in a press conference last week. Babcock said they had no issues, and that Vince didn't ask him to be traded (which is in accordance to an interview in an Orlando paper a couple weeks ago where VC said he'd give the new management a chance). Babcock didn't confirm or deny speculation that a representive of Vince asked for a trade, so that's something to chew on.

Now here's the thing...Vince is getting married this weekend. So how are people knowing what his thoughts are, when he's too busy getting ready for that to give a shit about basketball at this time? VC has also said for years that he's wanted to see a team bring in a big man. So why would he be pissed off now that the team has drafted one? That makes no sense. They have enough swingmen on the team to field another squad, so why draft another.

Some people are just ready and willing to believe the worst or most negative angle of a story, particularly when that's the only air that seems to surround him. Vince said in a small press gathering that was video and audio taped that he said he just wanted the Raptors to at least talk to Dr J, but that ultimately he wanted to see them get the best guy for the job. Does that mean he wasn't disappointed that J wasn't hired? Well yeah, sure. But unless Vince is a bold faced liar (or unless Vince feels that the Raps were never serious about J at all and simply strung their asses along...and I wouldn't doubt that for a second), I fail to see the reason why Vince would be upset.

Fact of the matter is I don't see VC being traded regardless, unless it's for Pierce or Ray Allen. No point trading him if you can't get fair market value back, and his trade value isn't very high considering the injuries he's had the last few years, and his scoring going down the last two years (though he was still 8th in league scoring last season). People in this town are just far too quick to bury him, all the while wanting him to be traded for someone like AI who had more injury issues last year then Vince did, and literally quit on the team during that infamous undressing incident. A part of me would love to see Vince traded though, just so he could blow up somewhere else and stick it in the faces of all the idiots in this town.


Ninja Scooter said:
sportscenter is also gonna do some report about a rumored Shaq for CWebb deal (please Mitch, don't you fucking do it). I may be forced to root for both Coach K AND Chris Webber? God, these fuckers are really testing my fandom.

I hear the Clippers might be the favourites for landing Kobe...so if all else fails, at least you have another team in the same town to cheer for.

BTW, how's Shaq going to Dallas with no Nash to trade?
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
I don't feel for Steve at all. He didn't progress in Houston at all. Last year he regressed. He never played defense, but last year the turnovers became a serious issue. He has alot of money coming to him, I am shedding no tears for him.

I know Orlando's GM thinks he has a great player. But Steve is going to get lit up every night now. Kidd, Marbury, Wade, Billups, AI, Hinrich, Atkins, even Ford will tear his ass up every night. They tore his ass up as a Rocket, they will destroy him now.
 

bishoptl

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dskillzhtown said:
Kidd, Marbury, Wade, Billups, AI, Hinrich, Atkins, even Ford will tear his ass up every night. They tore his ass up as a Rocket, they will destroy him now.
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"My grand plan has come to fruition. The revenge of a Jedi is cold and slow like the glaciers of Hoth."
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
bishoptl said:
No you don't! Take that back!

Look into his eyes Bish...cant you see the pain?
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dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
Wait, this means I have to face Kidd, AI, Billups and Marbury on a regular basis now. Oh fuck, trade me again!!!!!!!!

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ChumsGum

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The Lakers are and will always be the frontrunner for Kobe. Beside the obvious reasons, the Lakers can pay Kobe 20 million dollars more than any other team in the NBA; something like 100 million dollars vs 120 million dollars over 6 years. Kobe wouldn't pass that up, would he?
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Welcome to Htown Howard!
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Miguel

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That's Carroll Dawson, straight out of HeeHaw, into the Rockets GM seat.

Has traded for names such as...Old Charles Barkley, Old Clyde Drexler, Old Pippen....this may be the first young player he's traded for after he's already established himself. :p
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Ok now that Carter has begged to be traded... maybe the Sups can send Ray there for him... (I like Ray a lot myself... but the Sonics are going to deal get someone good) Then they can ship off Lewis for a point or a pf...
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Ok K-Mart going to Utah.... would just be wrong... hahah only crazier than that would 'Sheed in Utah! hahah
 

AirBrian

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Guzim said:
I was watching Access Hollywood today, and Shaq's wife said they have family in Dallas!
Yeah, and like I said earlier, Shaq already has a house in the Dallas area (he's had it for years) and has even invested money into a local mall (one of the better ones in the area).
 

AirBrian

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And the silver lining in Nash leaving is that they signed Marquis Daniels. That probably wasn't going to happen if Nash had stayed.
 

DMczaf

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Miguel said:
That's Carroll Dawson, straight out of HeeHaw, into the Rockets GM seat.

Has traded for names such as...Old Charles Barkley, Old Clyde Drexler, Old Pippen....this may be the first young player he's traded for after he's already established himself. :p

Dont forget Old Glen Rice!

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In other news, T-Mac's new head shot sucks! :(

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Wheres his facial hair?!
 
ChumsGum said:
The Lakers are and will always be the frontrunner for Kobe. Beside the obvious reasons, the Lakers can pay Kobe 20 million dollars more than any other team in the NBA; something like 100 million dollars vs 120 million dollars over 6 years. Kobe wouldn't pass that up, would he?


actually, i believe the difference is closer to $40 million (Lakers can offer a guaranteed extra year, 7 vs 6)
 

Orion

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According to Rob Babcock(Raptors GM) Vince has not asked to be traded. I think this rumour is actually just ESPN reporting some nonsense made up by Toronto media a while ago. I'm more inclined to believe that Vince hasn't said anything because he is busy getting married at the moment.

A link to the article with Babcock's comments. Here

Edit: If Vince is traded I really hope it's not for Iverson. His body and skills are quickly diminishing, not to mention his contract, and attitude.
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
Orion said:
According to Rob Babcock(Raptors GM) Vince has not asked to be traded. I think this rumour is actually just ESPN reporting some nonsense made up by Toronto media a while ago.


After the Rockets/Orlando ordeal, we know how truthful GMs are. I had heard about the VC/AI deal during the playoffs, I don't remember where though.
 

sc0la

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kevm3 said:
If K Mart ends up in Utah, he's going fishing.... literally. Maybe hunting with Karl Malone as well.
To bad KMart will have to forgo his namesake and buy his shotgun at Wal-Mart since it is Utah.
 

AirBrian

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DALLAS (AP) -- Marquis Daniels agreed to a six-year contract worth roughly $38 million to stay with the Dallas Mavericks, helping the team secure the other half of their starting backcourt soon after losing point guard Steve Nash.

Daniels, who made the league minimum of $366,931 last season after going undrafted out of Auburn, will receive the midlevel exception of around $5 million this season, then have annual raises of 10 percent. The exact figures will be set by the league before July 14, which is the earliest the contract can be signed.


``Once we got what we wanted, from the team we wanted, Marquis said, `Let's get it done,''' agent Glenn Schwartzman said Friday. ``This is where his heart is.''

Daniels spent part of last season as Nash's backup, then thrived once he joined him in the starting lineup as the off guard. His playmaking may be needed more next season now that Nash has agreed to sign with Phoenix, probably turning over point guard duties to rookie Devin Harris.

Daniels made Dallas' roster in training camp, then started the season near the end of the bench. He became a starter in March and into the playoffs.

By scoring 30 points in three of his 15 regular-season starts, and averaging 15.8 in the playoffs, Daniels turned himself into quite a commodity on the free-agent market.

About a dozen teams called his agent when the negotiating period opened late Wednesday. His suitors included Utah, Denver and three other teams that were well under the salary cap, Schwartzman said.

The Mavericks could've been outbid if a team under the cap exceeded the midlevel figure. But with free agency just starting, no team was willing to break the bank for Daniels just yet.

Not wanting to take any chances, the Mavericks made the maximum offer they could and asked for an immediate answer.

``I think they felt they needed a commitment because they didn't want to lose both Steve and Marquis,'' Schwartzman said.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...-?slug=ap-mavericks-daniels&prov=ap&type=lgns

Not bad for his 2nd year. Let's hope he continues to play like he did last year and improves upon his weaknesses.
 

Desperado

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Miguel said:
That's Carroll Dawson, straight out of HeeHaw, into the Rockets GM seat.

Has traded for names such as...Old Charles Barkley, Old Clyde Drexler, Old Pippen....this may be the first young player he's traded for after he's already established himself. :p

hey old drexler was still good =P
 

golem

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The $40 Million Decision
It's a world of change and a lot of money -- five years at $8 million per, says ESPN's Stephen A. Smith. Even so, while Mike Krzyzewski takes the weekend to ponder the Lakers' offer, many basketball insiders (even John Wooden) think Coach K should stay put at Duke.

damn.. are we really offering coach k that much?!
 

Shinobi

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ChumsGum said:
The Lakers are and will always be the frontrunner for Kobe. Beside the obvious reasons, the Lakers can pay Kobe 20 million dollars more than any other team in the NBA; something like 100 million dollars vs 120 million dollars over 6 years. Kobe wouldn't pass that up, would he?

Hell, he didn't even pass up an average white chick...no way he'll pass up an extra twenty mill.

As for VC vs AI, that rumour's been going around since they faced off in the 2001 playoffs. I'm sure many people here would love to see that trade happen (until his first off court incident in mid-November), and VC would probably get eaten alive in Philly, so I don't see that trade happening. Personally I love AI, but no way I trade AI for him...his body his breaking down, which means he'll be losing his quickness, and his shooting is still far too medicore for someone that hoists up as many shots as he does. Plus for all of VC's ills, he didn't change back into his street clothes after pre-game warmup because he wasn't in the starting five.

And can you imagine Limp Dick Vitale's reaction if K decides to take the LA job? I almost want to see it happen now, just to see that bald-headed, scrot sucking donkey go into meltdown. With any luck it'll end his career, and I won't have to hear his bullshit on draft night anymore.
 

AirBrian

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Shinobi said:
And can you imagine Limp Dick Vitale's reaction if K decides to take the LA job? I almost want to see it happen now, just to see that bald-headed, scrot sucking donkey go into meltdown. With any luck it'll end his career, and I won't have to hear his bullshit on draft night anymore.
LMAO! That would be great.
 

Bat

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And can you imagine Limp Dick Vitale's reaction if K decides to take the LA job? I almost want to see it happen now, just to see that bald-headed, scrot sucking donkey go into meltdown. With any luck it'll end his career, and I won't have to hear his bullshit on draft night anymore.

So true. I want to see it happen for that reason (well, Vitale and all the other college analysts) and to hear what everyone's excuses are when he turns out to be a bad NBA coach.
 

Cloudy

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I don't think he'll do bad with the Lakers though. All the other college coaches took shitty jobs on shitty teams with shitty players where NO ONE would have won. What the Lakers need right now (besides youth and athleticism) is a good x's and o's guy who will emphasize defense and not just play "give it to Shaq" while snoozing on the sidelines when that doesn't work...
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Cloudy said:
I don't think he'll do bad with the Lakers though. All the other college coaches took shitty jobs on shitty teams with shitty players where NO ONE would have won. What the Lakers need right now (besides youth and athleticism) is a good x's and o's guy who will emphasize defense and not just play "give it to Shaq" while snoozing on the sidelines when that doesn't work...


That always works... unless someone else decides to shoot the ball more than pass the ball...
 

Shinobi

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Cloudy said:
I don't think he'll do bad with the Lakers though. All the other college coaches took shitty jobs on shitty teams with shitty players where NO ONE would have won.

And how is the current Lakers' situation any different? With a number of free agents and Shaq on the trading block, the only guys they've got under contract are second year players and aging veterans who all got their ass handed to them by Jordan in the finals. Oh yeah, they also have Rick Fox...but he was part of one of those crappy Celtic teams you just referred to, and no one can tell me he's somehow got cache cause he rode Shaq and Kobe to three rings.
 

Bat

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Cloudy said:
I don't think he'll do bad with the Lakers though. All the other college coaches took shitty jobs on shitty teams with shitty players where NO ONE would have won. What the Lakers need right now (besides youth and athleticism) is a good x's and o's guy who will emphasize defense and not just play "give it to Shaq" while snoozing on the sidelines when that doesn't work...

That's not true. Pitino somehow managed to have a talented Celtics team (even though he botched three straight drafts and then ruined their future with absurd contracts) but they were TERRIBLE. A year after he leaves, their in the eastern conference finals. Go figure.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Steve Nash is "
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effzee

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ai for carter? no

ai for ray allen? dear god no.

i know that even though jim o brien said he is not trading ai and wants to play with him i fear the sixers will some dumb ass move. ray allen...when he isnt shooting well...isnt on his streak...does nothing else for the team. ai no matter how bad he is shooting always has assists, rebounds, and steals. he somehow always contributes...and is a good defender. i do not want ray allen or carter althought carter i would be less pissed off about.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
effzee said:
ai for carter? no

ai for ray allen? dear god no.

i know that even though jim o brien said he is not trading ai and wants to play with him i fear the sixers will some dumb ass move. ray allen...when he isnt shooting well...isnt on his streak...does nothing else for the team. ai no matter how bad he is shooting always has assists, rebounds, and steals. he somehow always contributes...and is a good defender. i do not want ray allen or carter althought carter i would be less pissed off about.

Ray plays pretty good D... and does go to the hole well... Is he as good as AI, no... but in a few years he'll will be if AI keeps breaking down his body... also it depends on the team you are buliding... pure shooters are hard to find these days.... with that being said.. I wouldn't mind seeing AI in Sonics green... (however I do really like Ray Allen)
 

Fifty

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Mark Cuban is the most interesting person involved with the NBA and his blog is a treat, that piece especially. I also would like to hear Steve's side, but it'll never come out (at least in that detail)
 

DMczaf

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"When I heard about the trade, my first thought was that I will miss my friends Steve, Cuttino and Kelvin very much. They were great teammates, and were all very helpful to me during my first 2 years in the NBA. I'm sorry to see them go, but I understand that is the way of the business. I wish them well with their new team. But I am also very excited to be playing with Tracy McGrady. He is one of the best, most exciting players in the NBA. We also get very talented players in Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines . I welcome them all to Houston and look forward to playing with them. And Matrix's mother is sexy."
 
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