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NBA Offseason Thread! All offseason NBA talk in THIS thread!

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Malleymal

You now belong to FMT.
I am SO happy for my jazz... this is looking like a great summer for us..... Arroyo/AK/CB/OkurHArpring, this should be good....
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Shit, I hope there's a terrorist attack centralized on carlos boozer's knees during the olympics :p

That's fucking low. The team could have kept paying him 600K and instead they cancel that contract to offer him 8 times that and he leaves. What a bastard.
 
Screw Dwayne Wade. We wouldn't need him if we already had Kobe. I'd settle for Lamar Odom/Brian Grant/Caron Butler and draft picks for Shaq.

And Carlos Boozer is an asshole. Not that i blame him, you gotta get your $$$ while you can, but still, the Cavs did him a huge favor by opting out of his final year, and he fucks them in the ass.
 

Bowser

Member
Cavs: "Hey, Booz, opt out and we'll give you a lot more than that paltry $700k that's you're making, as long as you agree to sign with us."

Booz: "Really? Thanks guys, of course I'll resign!"

Jazz: "Yo Booz, six years, $68 mil, what you think?"

Booz: "Fuck you Cavs! I'm out!"

Damn...that's low.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
I'm a Booz fan but that is very bush-league. He was done a huge favor by letting him out of his current rookie deal. You don't owe anyone anything in life, but he owed the Cavs I thought.
 

Cloudy

Banned
So much for loyalty in sports lol. The thing is they'd probably match if they had cap room but they don't (I don't think you can go over the cap to sign a RFA) Boozer really screwed them BIGTIME lmao!!!
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Looks like Booz got $28 million more than the Cavs could pay him. Where did all their capspace go? Dasagna Diop? Ilgauskus? Can't say I blame Boozer, he's much closer to a max player than a mid-level guy.
 
you have to remember though, the Cavs were, in a sense doing him a favor, but at the same time, they also wanted him to sign a 6 year deal for the MLE, so they could avoid having to max him out next year. What Boozer did was dirty, but they should have just kept him on his rookie deal instead of trying to save a buck. It came back and bit them in the ass.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
you have to remember though, the Cavs were, in a sense doing him a favor, but at the same time, they also wanted him to sign a 6 year deal for the MLE, so they could avoid having to max him out next year.


Yeah that's pretty much my take. I didn't realize they could only offer the MLE. They would have to be pretty daft to think no one would offer more than that. No matter what Booz said, they took the chance and now they gotta live with it.
 

DMczaf

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DMczaf

Member
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/sports/article/0,1713,BDC_2398_3018122,00.html

Here's the main reason Kobe Bryant will never be Michael Jordan:

What Michael did, he did for a better chance to win.

What Kobe does, he does because he wants to.

Bryant's summer schedule - testing the free agent waters with the Clippers and others, all the while steering the Lakers' coaching search - isn't about team building. It's about ego massaging. And the only ego Bryant wants to stroke is his own.

He's said in several interviews that he wants to win as many championship rings as possible.

Look at what he's doing, though, and you have to wonder if those are hollow words.

If rings are Bryant's driving force, then why are the Clippers even on his radar screen? You know the Clippers - possibly the single-most pathetic franchise of this generation.

The team that has Elton Brand and Corey Maggette and still finished last in the Pacific Division, 28 games behind the Lakers.

The team that, at some point, had Darius Miles, Lamar Odom and Michael Olowokandi and still hasn't made the playoffs since 1997, when Lamond Murray, Loy Vaught and Pooh Richardson patrolled the hardwood.

Yet the Clip Joint is near the top of Bryant's list.

Sources also say he's talking with the Denver Nuggets. It's a better situation in some senses - a Western Conference playoff qualifier with one of the top young starts in Carmelo Anthony. But it's about 100 miles away from Vail, where Bryant is accused of felony sexual assault.

And does Anthony want to play Pippen to Bryant's Jordan?

If Bryant really wanted to win rings, he'd stick with the Lakers.

He'd play nice with Shaquille O'Neal. He'd run Phil Jackson's triangle offense without frowning and grousing. He'd trust Lakers owner Jerry Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak before he'd ever trust their Clippers counterparts, Donald Sterling and Elgin Baylor.

But this isn't really about winning. This is about being the man. Bryant wants the clout Jordan earned. And to get it, he'll alienate Shaq, send Jackson trudging back to Montana and squeeze as much as he can out of Buss and Kupchak without any guarantee he'll return to the Lakers.

The Lakers' dalliance with Duke's Mike Krzyzewski?

Bryant's fingerprints are all over it. Buss will do anything he can to keep his favorite son, but he must remember he has a grumpy goliath at center and a nearly bare cupboard beyond that.

Jordan did whatever was necessary to make sure the Bulls put the best team possible on the floor. He then played his way into alpha male status. Bryant is doing whatever he can to become the alpha male, but it may result in a sub-par team around him.

He had the best coach and most dominant post player in the NBA, but he'd rather discard them to put the entire team on his back. Catering to Bryant's whims was what threw the Lakers into this offseason turmoil. And as long as he gets what he wants, he seems to be fine with that.

That's something Jordan would never do.

:)
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
So all of you dissing Boozer are saying you wouldn't do the same thing? 68 million is alot of money. I would have taken it too. I am thinking Boozer had every intention of signing with the Cavs, but when you are offered 68 mill, what are you going to do? I put this on Cleveland, there is no way I would have allowed him to be exposed like that, knowing what could happen.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
At the time, Cleveland had no idea that everybody on the market would be so overpaid.

How can you possibly not blame Boozer?
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Yeah this is on Cleveland's shoulders. They should know that a fast, young, agile bigman with a penchant for double-doubles is worth more than the mid-level exception. Regardless of what Boozer's intentions were, they should have known that there would be a bidding war for his services. If they don't have the cap room, they could have waited and paid him the year after.
 

Truelize

Steroid Distributor
Boozer isnt gone yet. I bet Cleveland will match this amount. What with the money they will be bringing in with having Lebron there. They can afford to keep Boozer. That's not really that outrageous of a contract for Boozer considering the contracts that have been offered lately.
 

ChumsGum

Banned
Fuck, you can bet none of this would have happenned if Jerry West stayed on with the Lakers. Buss is a fool for pushing his loser sons/son-in-law in the family business and pushing West out. Now both Kobe and Shaq are out of control and the entire Laker team is in limbo.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Truelize said:
Boozer isnt gone yet. I bet Cleveland will match this amount. What with the money they will be bringing in with having Lebron there. They can afford to keep Boozer. That's not really that outrageous of a contract for Boozer considering the contracts that have been offered lately.


They can't match this amount. It's too high for them to be able to.
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
The thing is, with current contracts, they offered Booz the max they could afford, $40 mill over 6 years. I don't know who is eating their cap (I assume it's Ilgouskus), but they have to trade some players to get under and offer Boozer more. It's not like the NFL where you can just cut someone and have the contract off the books.

Bobcats should get involved and steal some more draft picks from them and a player or two.
 

effzee

Member
enough of kobe and shaq.

the sixers today further drowned themselves in salary cap hell but signing brian skinner for an outrageous amount of money. money they could have attempted to atleast try to get rasheed wallace.


speaking of kobe and shaq, did anyone see barkley on the best damn sports show period? he ripped both of them for being selfish and childish.
 
``I want to be in Cleveland,'' Boozer said Thursday. ``I like it here. My wife and I are very, very happy here, and I want to be with the Cavaliers. Good things are happening. Now it's up to my agent and the Cavs to work things out. I hope they will.''
``I'm thankful for everything the Cavs have done for me,'' Boozer said. ``A lot of teams didn't think I was worth it and let me slide into the second round. But they were the ones who gave me a chance and let me play as a rookie."
"I am an honorable person; we have a great foundation here," Boozer said. "I am fine with sharing the spotlight with LeBron. Everything is going in the right direction for me. I think there is a possibility to get something done this summer."
"I am making a lot of money compared to the average person, but in the NBA it is chump change," Boozer said last season. "I feel like I am going to get what I deserve."

The Cavs got screwed. Utah has a nice team now. Barring injury, they should make the playoffs easily.
 

Miguel

Member
RobotChant said:
The Cavs got screwed. Utah has a nice team now. Barring injury, they should make the playoffs easily.


A suggested rumor...dunno if true or not...is that...depending on what the salary cap is set at next week, the Cavaliers may be able to dump Tony Battie's contract....(to Houston for their Trade exception) to be able to resign Boozer. The numbers are WAY too close right now to be able to say if it'd go through or not, but if the salary cap goes up enough, the 4.8 million Cleveland may be saving by dumping Battie may save them JUST enough money to be able to match Utah's offer.


That'd fucking OWN so much too. :D

Center:
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Power Forward:
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Small Forward:
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Shooting Guard:
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Point Guard
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or
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tyronn_lue.jpg
 

Malleymal

You now belong to FMT.
UTAH in the Playoffs next year.... if this boozer thing remains in tact.... also can another team put a bid into the mix for Carlos boozer while he has his name on one offer sheet??
 

bionic77

Member
DMczaf said:
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/sports/article/0,1713,BDC_2398_3018122,00.html

Here's the main reason Kobe Bryant will never be Michael Jordan:

What Michael did, he did for a better chance to win.

What Kobe does, he does because he wants to.

Bryant's summer schedule - testing the free agent waters with the Clippers and others, all the while steering the Lakers' coaching search - isn't about team building. It's about ego massaging. And the only ego Bryant wants to stroke is his own.

He's said in several interviews that he wants to win as many championship rings as possible.

Look at what he's doing, though, and you have to wonder if those are hollow words.

If rings are Bryant's driving force, then why are the Clippers even on his radar screen? You know the Clippers - possibly the single-most pathetic franchise of this generation.

The team that has Elton Brand and Corey Maggette and still finished last in the Pacific Division, 28 games behind the Lakers.

The team that, at some point, had Darius Miles, Lamar Odom and Michael Olowokandi and still hasn't made the playoffs since 1997, when Lamond Murray, Loy Vaught and Pooh Richardson patrolled the hardwood.

Yet the Clip Joint is near the top of Bryant's list.

Sources also say he's talking with the Denver Nuggets. It's a better situation in some senses - a Western Conference playoff qualifier with one of the top young starts in Carmelo Anthony. But it's about 100 miles away from Vail, where Bryant is accused of felony sexual assault.

And does Anthony want to play Pippen to Bryant's Jordan?

If Bryant really wanted to win rings, he'd stick with the Lakers.

He'd play nice with Shaquille O'Neal. He'd run Phil Jackson's triangle offense without frowning and grousing. He'd trust Lakers owner Jerry Buss and general manager Mitch Kupchak before he'd ever trust their Clippers counterparts, Donald Sterling and Elgin Baylor.

But this isn't really about winning. This is about being the man. Bryant wants the clout Jordan earned. And to get it, he'll alienate Shaq, send Jackson trudging back to Montana and squeeze as much as he can out of Buss and Kupchak without any guarantee he'll return to the Lakers.

The Lakers' dalliance with Duke's Mike Krzyzewski?

Bryant's fingerprints are all over it. Buss will do anything he can to keep his favorite son, but he must remember he has a grumpy goliath at center and a nearly bare cupboard beyond that.

Jordan did whatever was necessary to make sure the Bulls put the best team possible on the floor. He then played his way into alpha male status. Bryant is doing whatever he can to become the alpha male, but it may result in a sub-par team around him.

He had the best coach and most dominant post player in the NBA, but he'd rather discard them to put the entire team on his back. Catering to Bryant's whims was what threw the Lakers into this offseason turmoil. And as long as he gets what he wants, he seems to be fine with that.

That's something Jordan would never do.

:)

I gotta say that sports reporters are the biggest cowards of all. Not one of them had the balls to attack Kobe (or any player) when they are on top of their game, but as soon as they lose or retire everyone that ever had a beef with that athlete writes an article bashing Kobe (Ralph Wiley was one of the few guys who hated Kobe and actually wrote negative things about him immediately after he had a great game, at least he had some balls). I don't care that so many people hate Kobe for whatever reason, or pathetic Jordaphiles feel threatened by his presence for some reason, but damnit take that stand when they are winning. These reporters will just kick a man in the nuts when he is down. Granted I think some of the criticisms of Kobe are on point, it is pretty low for him to even think of leaving the Lakers after all the town and team have given him, hopefully he sticks around and doesn't pull a "Boozer" on the city of LA.

And honestly, people need to please stop making Jordan out to be a Saint. The guy was a great basketball player, but he had plenty of flaws (as are well documented because all the hyenas came after him when the Wizards stank it up).
 

Miguel

Member
Risin' up, out of the east
Did my time, took my chances
Went to Houston now I'm back on my feet
Yao's a man with a will to survive
So many times it happens too fast
You trade players for glory
Don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
You must fight just to keep your team alive

It's the
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Eye of the tiger
It's the thrill of the flight
Rising up to the challenge of His Airness
And the last known "Next Jordan"
Stalks his prey in the night
And he's watching us all
jordan.jpg

With the eye...
...of the tiger
 

kevm3

Member
Boozer did them wrong, but hell, they pulled a dirty trick on Boozer by paying him some paltry sum to slip that option in his contract at a time when he had little negotiating power.
 

Bowser

Member
DJ_Tet said:
Bobcats should get involved and steal some more draft picks from them and a player or two.

Impossible:

Chad Ford said:
To get that far under, the Cavs will have to try to trade several of their players to teams under the cap. Teams like the Hawks, Bobcats, Nuggets and possibly the Clippers still have money under the cap. The team could dangle players like Tony Battie, Dajuan Wagner and Kedrick Brown to those teams in an effort to clear the space. But it won't be easy. The Cavs cannot offer a first-round pick under league rules because they've already traded away their conditional first-round pick for next year (the Bobcats actually own it). That means they have to convince teams to take these players off their hands for nothing.

Catowned
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Bowser said:
Impossible:


How do you figure? The Cats still have $20 mil in cap space. We could easily take another contract off of Cleveland's hands, especially a PG. We need a FA PG anyway.

Oh yeah, Bobcats 3-0 baby!
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
Teams can't trade back-to-back first rounders, but hey, I'd be patient as the Bobcats. We got their pick next year, why not take their pick three years from now too?
 

DJ_Tet

Banned
The Cavs need to be careful with this "we had a deal" talk. Tough cookies, and those "deals" are illegal anyway. Just ask Kevin McHale and the T-Wolves. Cavs got jobbed, but if they keep barking the NBA may really give them something to cry about.
 

DMczaf

Member
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1837151

LOS ANGELES -- Rudy Tomjanovich, who guided the Houston Rockets to NBA championships in 1994 and 1995, agreed Friday to coach the Los Angeles Lakers.

"We expect that he'll sign a contract and we'll hold a press conference tomorrow to announce it," team spokesman John Black said.

In a move expected for the last five days, Tomjanovich succeeds Phil Jackson, who coached the Lakers to three titles in five years. The team announced June 18, three days after losing to the Detroit Pistons in the NBA Finals, that Jackson wouldn't return next season.

The 55-year-old Tomjanovich coached the Rockets for 12 years before stepping down in May 2003 -- two months after being diagnosed with bladder cancer.

Reportedly in good health now, he worked as a scout with the Rockets last season -- his 34th year with the organization he joined in 1970 as the second overall selection in the NBA draft.
 
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