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[Shinobi]

Add Piston to the weed list please.

 

[Blackace]

Probably when he saw the Lakers front office turning heel. They're bending over backwards to plactate a man who is charged with sexual assault, and as of July 1st isn't even under contract to them anymore. Again, I would laugh so hard if the Lakers did all these moves just to satisfy Kobe, only for him to skip across the building to the Clippers. It'd look good on them...real good.

I can agree with that... Well said... I am sure being a teammate of Kobe on the court where they bumped heads made him bitter as well.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

LOL!!!

How's that annoying? That hilarious

Its annoying because this is the same boss that has been paying him $27 million a year to come to work fat and out of shape and miss have the season, and now he's got the nerve to scream "PAY ME!" at the guy?

fuck him if he feels disrespected. Its got nothing to do with the Lakers choosing Kobe over Shaq because of their play, or who they think is better or more irreplaceable. Its a business decision. Im sure if Kobe was demanding $30 million per season, they'd tell his ass to hit the road too. The Lakers are choosing Shaq over Kobe much in the same way Dallas chose Dirk over Shaq, and Miami chose Dwayne Wade over Shaq. Tell me, if Shaq is this dominant, unstoppable force, then why aren't Cuban and Riley catching shit for picking two young stars who have never won shit over the big fella?

 

[Malleymal]

wow.... Lakers fans really hate shaq ?? crazy... before it was LAKERS RELOADED OMFGWTFHI2U!!!11111 Now its , we dont need that arrogant fat prick and that old Dirt bag Malone... this is crazy.... I wish we could see this board if Malone was healthy and the lakers won...... it would be 180.... thats fairweather fans for you

 

[Ninja Scooter]

wow.... Lakers fans really hate shaq ?? crazy... before it was LAKERS RELOADED OMFGWTFHI2U!!!11111 Now its , we dont need that arrogant fat prick and that old Dirt bag Malone... this is crazy.... I wish we could see this board if Malone was healthy and the lakers won...... it would be 180.... thats fairweather fans for you

I do want Malone, so put that one back in your ass where you pulled it from. As for Shaq, hell, i'd love to have the guy back, but if we have to choose between Shaq and Kobe, the choice is obvious for various reasons. Its always been a love/hate relationship between Laker fans and Shaq. Its just that we don't have championships to fall back on anymore, so the hatred gets magnified.

 

[Matrix]

Yao nip slip

 

[Malleymal]

I do want Malone, so put that one back in your ass where you pulled it from. As for Shaq, hell, i'd love to have the guy back, but if we have to choose between Shaq and Kobe, the choice is obvious for various reasons. Its always been a love/hate relationship between Laker fans and Shaq. Its just that we don't have championships to fall back on anymore, so the hatred gets magnified.

still when the chips are down......



and also I wasnt saying PistonNinja hated malone..... calm down boy... but if I see somewhere that a brian grant can at least do better than Karl Malone... injured or not..thats just ridiculous

Malone's set jumper >> Brian grants career

 

[DCX]

Where are the Knick summer league box score from last night??

DCX

 

[Cloudy]

Looks like Jerry Buss really paid attention to these comments ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1648431

It's funny to read that again after all this time lol

 

[Blackace]

Damn what a sniveling little bitch... crying to Jim Gray...Shaq's unprofessional? So crying to Jim Gray is? What a little hooker!

 

[Cloudy]

That doesn't change the fact that everything he said is 100% true. I wish all the Shaq jockers would open their eyes.

PS: I wonder what folks will say when Wade starts getting abused on the PnR next year? Shaq sure does make other players better.....too bad it's usually the opposing PG lmao!

 

[Blackace]

That doesn't change the fact that everything he said is 100% true. I wish all the Shaq jockers would open their eyes.

PS: I wonder what folks will say when Wade starts getting abused on the PnR next year? Shaq sure does make other players better.....too bad it's usually the opposing PG lmao!

Yeah he sure made it hard on Kobe...poor guy... He will miss the big guy when he is gone I can promise you that... I tell you Kobe benefited a lot more than Shaq did from that combo.. It is not jocking... just the truth... Shaq is far from my favorite player in the league.. I was calling him an ass earlier for how he acted with Jerry Buss and what not.. so it is only fair I do the same for Kobe whiney butt

 

[Cloudy]

I tell you Kobe benefited a lot more than Shaq did from that combo.

What did Shaq win b4 Kobe? What did Kobe win w/o Shaq (not that he's had the chance till now )? They both helped each other. End of story..

 

[Blackace]

What did Shaq win b4 Kobe? What did Kobe win w/o Shaq (not that he's had the chance till now )? They both helped each other. End of story..

Only if Nick Anderson would have made his free throws.......

 

[Matrix]

Only if Nick Anderson would have made his free throws.......

Thank god he didnt

 

[Cloudy]

Boozer $tory revolve$ around 1 i$$ue

By Brian Windhorst, Beacon Journal staff writer

CLEVELAND - On a sunny afternoon on June 30, Carlos Boozer and his party walked away from a meeting at Gund Arena believing he was going to be a Cleveland Cavalier for years to come.


On the sixth floor of the arena's executive offices, team owner Gordon Gund and general manager Jim Paxson believed they were on the verge of making a deal that would satisfy everyone, a rarity in today's NBA.


But somewhere between the goodwill of that day and last Thursday morning's phone call from Boozer's agent Rob Pelinka to Paxson, those good feelings went awry. Now Boozer seems to be headed to the Utah Jazz for lots more money, and even if the Cavaliers match the $68 million offer, they still appear to have made a costly, ill-advised decision.


Here is the story of how Boozer's contract situation turned into a national circus based on interviews with people inside and outside the Cavaliers organization, NBA general managers and players, agents and news media. Boozer and wife CeCe, reached by e-mail, declined to comment, and Pelinka did not return a telephone message Saturday.


The story began last summer after Boozer's very successful rookie season. He rose from second-round draft pick status and the end of coach John Lucas' bench to average 10 points and 7.5 rebounds and was named to the NBA's All-Rookie Team. The Cavaliers and Boozer were excited about his future.


Boozer, however, was not pleased with his contract. A year earlier, in August of 2002, after being impressed with him in summer league, the Cavaliers got Pelinka and Boozer to agree to a two-year guaranteed contract with an option for a third year. This was a rare deal for a second-round pick. Such players seldom receive long-term contracts but Boozer was given $989,000 over the first two years, including a $75,000 bonus for inserting a third-year option. In the third year, Boozer's salary would be $695,000 for the 2004-05 season.


Then, with Boozer's stock on the rise and the fact that a former second-round pick named Gilbert Arenas had just received a $65 million deal after his second season, Boozer's contract suddenly didn't seem so appealing.


Boozer's agent is employed by the sports management group SFX, founded by Arn Tellem. Pelinka asked last summer if the Cavaliers would consider what it would take to let Boozer out of the contract a year early.


During the 2003-04 season, in which Boozer averaged 15.5 points and 11.4 rebounds and finished second in the voting for the NBA's Most Improved Player Award, Boozer and his agent took their contract pleas public to several newspaper reporters.


In late April, after Boozer completed his breakout season, Pelinka brought it back to the Cavaliers' attention and both sides agreed to consider it in June. The parties met twice, once before the NBA's Pre-Draft Camp and once June 30.


Meeting time


On June 30, the principals gathered around a Fortune 500-style boardroom table at Gund Arena. Pelinka had flown in from Los Angeles. He sat on one side with Carlos and CeCe, a Duke graduate who has experience working for sports management giant IMG. Owner Gordon Gund flew in from his offices in Princeton, N.J., on his private jet. He joined Paxson and members of his staff on the other side of the table.


The meeting opened with Gund telling Boozer how valuable he was to the Cavaliers' franchise and their fan base. Gund was perhaps closer to Boozer than any other Cavaliers player. To Gund, players like Boozer and center Zydrunas Ilgauskas represented the transition the organization was trying to make. Each time Gund visited the Cavaliers during the season, either in Cleveland or at road games in Boston, New Jersey, New York or Philadelphia, he spent time talking with Boozer.


Paxson informed Pelinka and the Boozers that the Cavaliers were considering letting Boozer out of the option year. That decision had to be finalized by midnight that evening. Paxson explained to them that after losing Jason Kapono in the recent expansion draft and making a trade to acquire Sasha Pavlovic, the team's payroll would be $43,434,000 next season. That would put the Cavaliers within $3 million of the salary cap, expected to be announced next week.


Paxson said that if the Cavaliers allowed Boozer to become a free agent, the only thing the team could do was offer him something referred to as the maximum "Early Bird" contract. That would be a deal starting at $5 million that would increase 12.5 percent each year for six years, making it worth around $40 million. This was not a contract offer to Boozer, just an explanation of what the Cavaliers' salary cap constraint would be.


Paxson told Boozer that the team would not make any trades or other player moves to try and get drastically under the salary cap to attempt to offer more.


And, as a part of the goodwill gesture of not picking up the option, Boozer and Pelinka would have to calm the fan base by making public statements July 1 of his intention to return to the Cavaliers.


They would not be saying they had agreed to a deal, because that would be in violation of NBA rules because it came before July 1.


Pelinka had brought a copy of the NBA's collective bargaining agreement and referred to the contract rules and read from it several times.


The Cavaliers made it clear to Boozer that as many as seven other NBA teams could offer him more money and the team was taking a risk. Gund told Boozer he didn't want him to commit to a contract that he would regret signing a few years down the road.


The Cavaliers reminded him that by picking up the $695,000 option, the team would be able to sign him to a contract larger than the $40 million deal after the 2004-05 season because they would not be under NBA salary cap restraints.


But Carlos and CeCe, who only a few days earlier were looking at expensive houses in the affluent eastern Cleveland suburb of Bratenahl, said they wanted security now. They understood there was a limit, due to the league's salary cap rules, on what the Cavaliers could offer, but they wanted to remain in Cleveland.


Then Boozer and Gund spoke to each other. As they talked, they appeared to come to a trust they both thought would eventually lead to a deal.


Caucus time


At that time, the parties broke and had separate discussions. It was a tense 10-minute period that might be remembered as one of the most crucial moments in Cavaliers history that didn't take place on a basketball court.


Gund asked Paxson if he thought the Cavaliers could trust Boozer. Paxson pointed out that Pelinka was present when the Boozers said they knew it was possible to get a larger offer than the Cavaliers could put on the table after July 1 -- but they still preferred to stay in Cleveland. At that time, Paxson and Gund agreed to allow Boozer to become a restricted free agent if that was what he wanted.


The Boozers and Pelinka came back into the room and said they indeed wanted to be let out of the contract. They knew they could not make a deal on that day, but Pelinka said he was sure he could work out a deal with Paxson after July 1. Paxson promptly left the room and went to his office, where he had prepared a "qualifying offer," which is part of the procedure in making a player a restricted free agent. Under NBA rules, all qualifying offers have to be issued before July 1.


The meeting then broke up, midnight passed, and Carlos Boozer was no longer a Cavalier.


Crunch time


On July 1, the Cavaliers stunned the NBA by revealing they had not picked up Boozer's option. Boozer and Pelinka granted interviews to the Associated Press stating their preference to re-sign with the Cavaliers. But, in retrospect, they did not issue any guarantees.


"I want to be in Cleveland, I want to be with the Cavaliers," Boozer told the Associated Press. "Now it's up to my agent and the Cavs to work things out."


"Carlos and his wife, CeCe, made it clear to me that they are very comfortable with the Cavaliers organization," Pelinka told the AP. "I'm confident (Paxson) and I will continue to have conversations and we'll be able to work something out."


That afternoon, Utah Jazz owner Larry H. Miller made a previously scheduled phone call to a reporter in Salt Lake City. During the course of the conversation, the reporter asked Miller if the Jazz had any interest in Boozer. Until that moment, Miller didn't know the Cavaliers hadn't picked up Boozer's option. Miller told the reporter he was planning to call Jazz vice president Kevin O'Connor to have him look into Boozer's availability.


On July 2, Boozer disconnected a cell phone that the Cavaliers and media had been using to contact him.


On July 3, the Boozers were telling people that there was no deal with the Cavaliers in place.


Over the July 4th weekend, the Golden State Warriors came to an agreement with center Adonal Foyle on a five-year, $41.6 million contract, a deal worth more per year than what Boozer could sign for with the Cavaliers under NBA rules.


Also, the Jazz agreed to an offer sheet with Detroit Pistons forward Mehmet Okur for six years and nearly $50 million. Neither Okur nor Foyle are regarded as players as talented as Boozer and both were about to get richer deals.


The Boozers and Pelinka took notice. With contract values soaring, especially for big men, Boozer getting a six-year, $40 million deal with the Cavaliers would certainly be lower than his market value.


If the player signed for such a figure, it would affect the agent, too. Potential clients might be told that Boozer had signed what was perceived as a "bad contract." This was what the Cavaliers feared, that Boozer would be tempted to look elsewhere.


On Monday, July 5, Pelinka called Paxson and told him the Boozers had decided to test the market. He took calls from a number of teams and found interest in the Denver Nuggets and the Jazz. On Wednesday, July 7, the Jazz prepared their huge offer sheet.


To ensure they wouldn't lose Boozer, the Jazz wanted to "front-load" the offer, meaning they would pay a large salary in the first year to make it harder for the Cavaliers to try to match. The Jazz were scheduled to host free-agent forward Kenyon Martin in Salt Lake City on Thursday. But they canceled his visit.


Offer time


On Thursday morning, Paxson was in Portland, Ore., for the funeral of his wife's daughter-in-law. Pelinka called to say that Boozer planned to sign a six-year, $68 million offer sheet with the Jazz.


Coach Paul Silas got the message while with family in Oakland, Calif., gathering after the death of his mother, Clara.


Gund was on vacation with his family in Canada.


Upon hearing the news, he got in his jet and departed for Cleveland to deal with the situation.


During the day, Paxson took calls from Gund in his jet in between church and graveside ceremonies at the funeral. Later, they issued a statement expressing their shock and disappointment at the turn of events.


In the following hours, Cavaliers fans filled up reporters' e-mail boxes, expounded on Internet message boards and jammed sports talk-show phone lines as the shock trickled down.

This is some pretty interesting stuff. I dunno how anyone can really blame Boozer in this since he never guaranteed anything. (Hell..even if he did, I wouldn't blame him lol)

The fact is that if he didn't get a substantially better offer, he'd still be a Cav. The Cavs took that risk (not saying it was a bad one since you gotta keep your players happy) and they got burned. Shit, it's not like they weren't trying to get him into a bad contract either....

 

[Meier]

Only if Nick Anderson would have made his free throws.......

FUCK Nick the Brick!

 

[Sirpopopop]

Udonis Haslem, Rasual Butler, & Malik Allen are going to win the championship bitches.

 

[rc213]

Funny watching people talk about Fairweather Fans. I wonder how they would be reacting to Shaq basically trying to strangle hold their franchise with his contract. Does anyone actually believe Shaq is worth 30+ Million a year at this point in his career. If they had actually caved into his demands, how long before he would be crying to media about wanting a better supporting cast? How about the fact that he has been disrispecting Buss and Kupchak all year long like a frikkin 5yr old child.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

still when the chips are down......



and also I wasnt saying PistonNinja hated malone..... calm down boy... but if I see somewhere that a brian grant can at least do better than Karl Malone... injured or not..thats just ridiculous

Malone's set jumper >> Brian grants career

The thing is, we are probably gonna have them both (if Karl decides to return). And having them both will be better than having just one. Even though they are both dinosaurs, it'll give us something we Laker fans haven't had in ages...DEPTH! I know its a foreign topic, but we actually could have guys like Brian Grant, Caron Butler, Rush, Sasha coming off the bench. Young, athletic (not in Grant's case) depth on the bench! WHO'd of thunk it? Of course, if Phil and Shaq were still around, our offseason would have been comprised of signing a 35 year old veteran guard and making sure Sasha gets 2 minutes per game.

oh, and by the way, how long until Shaq starts getting jealous of Dwayne Wade? Its no suprise he hasn't been able to coexist with ANY star guard ever in his career. Penny, Nick Van Exel, now Kobe. He's either left them behind or had them shipped off because he's got the maturity of a 5 year old and is so horribly insecure he thinks they'll steal his spotlight.

 

[Matrix]

Finally Ming is adding some upper body weight...the arms are getting bigger.

 

[Odoul]

The camera must've caught that guy when he was super low or something. If not it's retarded someone that short is even interacting with Ming.

 

[Jumpman]

Shaq will never win another championship, not that he ever cared about that kind of stuff. Kobe on the other hand, could win many more if he stays with the Lakers. Kobe may not be able win again until they stop overpaying Brian Grant, but he is only 25, and has his whole career ahead of him (unless his career is spent in a colorado prison). He is still younger than Jordan was when he won his first championship, and has already won three. Chances are, he'll win 3 or 4 more. There were plenty of Jordan haters when he was 25, just as there are Kobe haters now. They called him selfish, arrogant, with an out of control ego. That all changed when Jordan won six championships. When Kobe is done playing, his list of accomplishments will most likely rival that of Jordan's. Kobe haters will either have been assimilated or just have to STFU, lest they run the risk of sounding really stupid.

 

[DMczaf]

Shaq will never win another championship, not that he ever cared about that kind of stuff. Kobe on the other hand, could win many more if he stays with the Lakers. Kobe may not be able win again until they stop overpaying Brian Grant, but he is only 25, and has his whole career ahead of him (unless his career is spent in a colorado prison). He is still younger than Jordan was when he won his first championship, and has already won three. Chances are, he'll win 3 or 4 more. There were plenty of Jordan haters when he was 25, just as there are Kobe haters now. They called him selfish, arrogant, with an out of control ego. That all changed when Jordan won six championships. When Kobe is done playing, his list of accomplishments will most likely rival that of Jordan's. Kobe haters will either have been assimilated or just have to STFU, lest they run the risk of sounding really stupid.

 

[bishoptl]

 

[Matrix]

bhwahahahahahaha

 

[RobotChant]

This is some pretty interesting stuff. I dunno how anyone can really blame Boozer in this since he never guaranteed anything. (Hell..even if he did, I wouldn't blame him lol)

The fact is that if he didn't get a substantially better offer, he'd still be a Cav. The Cavs took that risk (not saying it was a bad one since you gotta keep your players happy) and they got burned. Shit, it's not like they weren't trying to get him into a bad contract either....

It was a contract that would've been mutually beneficial to both parties. The Cavs would save money and Boozer would get his millions now. Everything was laid out, Boozer was told the cap situation and what the Cavs would be able to offer. He knew that if he waited a year he could've gotten a bigger deal.

Boozer didn’t' give a guarantee because that probably would've violated the CBA rules.

I'm not going to hate on Boozer for taking the money, but he definitely stabbed the Cavs in back. They took the gamble but they never would've if Boozer, after all they told him about the cap situation, didn't tell them he was happy and wanted to stay in Cleveland.

 

[Miguel]

Thanks DM, I forgot to save that in my last image backup CD. Man, what horrible photoshop skillz I had. Haha

 

[DMczaf]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...ry?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers','121')

According to sources, Bryant continues to consider jumping to the Clippers, going so far as to ask them to play 10 or 12 games a year at the Arrowhead Pond in Anaheim, which is closer to his Newport Beach home than Staples Center is, and which the Clippers apparently are considering

LOL, what an ass. Telling a NBA franchise where to play their games if they want him? Ugh

 

[Miguel]

Funny watching people talk about Fairweather Fans. I wonder how they would be reacting to Shaq basically trying to strangle hold their franchise with his contract. Does anyone actually believe Shaq is worth 30+ Million a year at this point in his career. If they had actually caved into his demands, how long before he would be crying to media about wanting a better supporting cast? How about the fact that he has been disrispecting Buss and Kupchak all year long like a frikkin 5yr old child.

Shaq = Jeff Bagwell

On a 12 man roster, Shaq is getting 30 million
On a 25 man roster, Bagwell is getting around 17 million a year.

No, i don't really have a point.

 

[El Papa]

 

[effzee]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...ry?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers','121')

According to sources, Bryant continues to consider jumping to the Clippers, going so far as to ask them to play 10 or 12 games a year at the Arrowhead Pond in Anaheim, which is closer to his Newport Beach home than Staples Center is, and which the Clippers apparently are considering

LOL, what an ass. Telling a NBA franchise where to play their games if they want him? Ugh

wtf? man both shaq and kobe are asses. barkely was correct in calling them whiny pos.


u know how many players would die to play along shaq or kobe to win a championship? and all these two seem to care about is measuring up to jordan and leading his own team and the other about earning astronomical money for no reason or need.

fucking losers both of them.

 

[Flizzzipper]

Looks like the Pacers are trading Al Harrington to the Hawks for Steven Jackson. Is Jackson any good?

 

[Incognito]

Looks like the Pacers are trading Al Harrington to the Hawks for Steven Jackson. Is Jackson any good?

He's all right. He's got a bad case of turnoveritis, though. And his shooting sucks, but hey, if you're going to jack up 30 shots a game, of course you're going to get some considerable poitns. He's a decent slasher, too. Not worth the 40million, that's for sure.

 

[Cloudy]

LA Times reports that Karl is unhappy with the trade and will probably retire and ESPN Radio says GP wants out if Shaq leaves LOL

 

[DMczaf]

LA Times reports that Karl is unhappy with the trade and will probably retire and ESPN Radio says GP wants out if Shaq leaves LOL

 

[Ninja Scooter]

LA Times reports that Karl is unhappy with the trade and will probably retire and ESPN Radio says GP wants out if Shaq leaves LOL

LOL! Lakers never wanted GP back anyway.

 

[Cloudy]

LOL! Lakers never wanted GP back anyway.

At least now Fish might stay. You gotta wonder why GP excercised his option even while Shaq was demanding to be traded though. Did he plan to take the money and run all along? lol

 

[DMczaf]

At least now Fish might stay. You wonder why GP excercised his option even while Shaq was demanding to be traded though. Did he plan to take the money and run all along? lol

You think Fisher is stupid enough to play on a Laker team without Shaq giving him wide open threes? He's gone!!

 

[Cloudy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1838214

OMG, he wants a buyout? Fuck this guy lol

 

[Matlock]

Lebron James may be a father in a few short months.

 

[rc213]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1838214

OMG, he wants a buyout? Fuck this guy lol

OMG! The hilarity continues, this shit is better than the spanish soap opera's!!!

 

[Guzim]

Lebron James may be a father in a few short months.

"Haven't I taught you anything?!"

 

[Jumpman]

Heh heh, I should have expected a response like that. Seriously though, a majority of the people who follow the Lakers closely would agree with me. Back in 91 before Jordan put the hurt on my (injured) Lakers, he was regarded in much the same way as detractors percieve Kobe today. I agree that Kobe has a long way to go to be as good as Jordan was, but he is definitely better than Jordan was at 25. If he is to ever achieve his potential, he needs a system built around him that exploits his talents. This will never happen as long as the Lakers motto is 'dump it in to Shaq'.

Obviously in the short term, the Lakers will suffer a little without a quality center, but a quality center is hardly a prerequisite for success. Jordan won without a center, so did the Pistons this year, so can Kobe.

Every year since Shaq came to L.A., the lakers have been built to compliment Shaq's game, not Kobe's. Despite this, Kobe managed to convince a lot of people that he was the better player. He did this by constantly improving on every aspect of his game, every year. Shaq on the other hand has not improved one bit since he started his career. Most of his truly dominant performances were in his first couple years, when he was actually in decent shape. It's fair to say that Shaq really has very little basketball talent. He has always relied on his dominant physical presence to succeed. As his body continues to break down, his lack of skill will expose him for what he has always been. Now that Shaq's gone, the Lakers will be built to compliment Kobe's abilities. If he continues to improve his game, it is likely that the Lakers will eventually see more success in the Kobe era than they ever did in the Kobe/Shaq era.

 

[Ripclawe]

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2571958

FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago



Shaquille O'Neal appears ready to venture to South Beach to join the Miami Heat. Is it possible that Michael Jordan is close behind?

Jordan is interested in joining the Heat as a part owner of the team, according to a report in the Chicago Tribune.
The newspaper, citing a source "with knowledge of the situation," said Sunday that Jordan is in discussions with the Heat; which clearly satisfies commissioner David Stern, who has been trying to get Jordan back into the league ever since his failed bid to buy the Milwaukee Bucks last year.

Jordan wants to return to the league, but he does not want to be in a position where he could be fired like he was by the Washington Wizards.

The story does not say what percentage of the team MJ wants to own, or how much say he might have in running the team.

However, it appears the Heat has interest in Jordan because he could help attract free agents to the team. But the presence of Shaq could certainly help do that too.

 

[Blackace]

Shaq, MJ and Riles.... talk about a dream package that has just as much of a chance to turn into a nightmare

 

[Matrix]

"Think DM will cry when he finds out we have a special friendship Fatty Mcdaddy?"

 

[bionic77]

Wow Jordan working with Shaq? The trade really doesn't make sense to me for either team. The Heat shouldn't do anything like this unless they can get a contract extension, unless they only want Shaq for one season. And the Lakers should not deal Shaq until AFTER Kobe resigns and they shouldn't freakin trade Shaq for Lamar Odom. I might have approved if Grant's salary came off the books next year, but he has a contract until 2007. I still would like to see the Diesel come back to LA if I could get my way at a reduced salary so they could shore up their other weaknesses, but that will never happen as everyone in LA seems to have gone insane.

P.S. If this trade goes through and Shaq doesn't dominate in the centerless East, then please will all the Jordophiles please shut the fuck up about how Kobe wouldn't have won shit without Shaq. This year we get to see both of them with a shitty team and how good each player really is. I personally think the Diesel is getting close to the status where Hakeem was with the Raptors, where he can do it every once in awhile but doesn't have the ability to dominate every single night. And Kobe is just retarded if some of those things are true, if he goes to the Clips I will write an amicus brief on why he should go to jail and buy a gigantic Micheal Jordan poster.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

when are these fools gonna realize that the ONLY thing MJ was good at was playing basketball? Or will they let him trade Dwayne Wade for Jerry Stackhouse first?

 

[Guzim]

when are these fools gonna realize that the ONLY thing MJ was good at was playing basketball? Or will they let him trade Dwayne Wade for Jerry Stackhouse first?