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VC better hope thats not true. Added to the fact that he's as soft as a marshmallow, now he will have the honor or replacing Allen Iverson, one of hte most popular athletes in Philadelphia's history? The Philly fans will eat him alive.
 

Shinobi

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Not true. Not confirmed anyway. That is the latest rumour though, which I think Roger's Sportsnet reported first. I'm not sure about AI now (O'Brien seems keen on keeping him), but the VC/Allen deal looks pretty likely. Something else that Sportsnet reported is that Ray Allen might be close to agreeing with a 5 year, $100 million deal with the Sonics, which makes a trade with the Raptors more palatable if they're looking to keep Allen long term. And Ray Allen is on record in saying that he'd love to play here. I'm still not convinced that anything will happen before the season starts, but if anything does I reckon this will be the exchange.



DJ_Tet said:
Shaq wouldn't be alone. These guys on the Olympic team are better than Robert Horry. Was that your point?

My point is that this team has medicore outside shooters, and that it doesn't make much difference if Shaq or Duncan is in the middle since the strategy of every team that plays the US is to get the ball out of Shaq's/Duncan's hands and force the perimeter guys to beat them. Shaq being on the floor isn't going to the outside guys shoot any better, and if Shaq is fouled his free throw shooting will be even worse then Duncan's (which isn't exactly great anyway).



Bat said:
For all that is said about Shaq being the most dominant player in the history of the game blah blah blah, people forget that the Lakers went nowhere in 96-99, when Shaq was at his peak. Hell, Duncan's Spurs swept them during that period.

The Lakers were also swept out of the playoffs by the Jazz the previous two years. Yeah, that '99 series is one I always refer to, cause Shaq didn't play that badly (hell, he had like 36 and 14 in game four). Shaq's never won anything in the NBA by himself, nor could he...without the supporting cast playing team defense and making their open shots, Shaq scoring 60 points wouldn't make a difference. Those are the facts...argue against them at your peril.



Blackace said:
sometimes no matter how good they are they cannot control everything..

That's been my point all along!!! Shaq cannot win a championship without a good supporting cast. That goes for Duncan, that goes for KG, and that even goes for Michael fucking Jordan. In the grand scheme of things, Shaq isn't gonna offer much more then Duncan does on this team unless he's allowed to run over defenders. And as you've all seen already, international officials call the game far differently to the NBA refs. Thus as I said, Shaq being on this team in Duncan's place is a moot swap.

What this team needs is gunners from the outside...players who can shoot high precentages with or without hands in their face, and aren't afraid to make big shots with the clock winding down. That's what the team had last year, and they smoked everybody in sight. It's amusing that so many people have forgotten this already, instead going on about the death of US basketball because it's third string team that's loaded with college age players aren't getting the job done.




kevm3 said:
I'd really love to have a Michael Redd or Brent Barry on the team. HOW many fucking free shots would these guys be getting?

Finally, someone who gets it...



Malleymal said:
the mid ranger jumper is a lost artform in the United States.... thanks to AND1 , Michael Jordan's athleticism and Basketball video games.... its either you dunk or you can dribble the ball between your legs off your ankle then off your opponents head , put it in your shirt and whip it around your back, then start crip walking while the crowd goes crazy , while some dude is repeatedly screaming a nickname of yours that isnt in proper english.....
thats what children idolize now...

and someone that practices the fundamentals is basically looked over...

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I absolutely hate that And 1 stuff, though I still watch it for amusement purposes (and I do like it when sweet looking legitimate plays are made).
 

Shinobi

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Ninja Scooter said:
VC better hope thats not true. Added to the fact that he's as soft as a marshmallow, now he will have the honor or replacing Allen Iverson, one of hte most popular athletes in Philadelphia's history? The Philly fans will eat him alive.

I agree...I mean I love VC, but there's no fucking way the Philly fans could take to him unless he drops the "laying on the floor" act he does every few weeks. Philly sports fans are as blue collar as any in the country. The wierd thing is that a VC/AI swap has been rumoured for YEARS, apparantely going as far back as the summer after they both went nuts in that classic Raptors/Sixers series in 2001. I don't get it myself...Philly simply wouldn't take to VC, unless he went through a total metamorphisis. And I don't know why he'd want to go to New York either (extra Nike money aside) if he doesn't like media spotlight or attention, since he'd get it in spades in the big apple. Frankly the Raptors should keep VC, if for no other reason then to save his hide from getting stripped off elsewhere.
 
Um, Seattle won't be trading for Mr. Glass, aka VC. Allen can only be traded for 3-4 players. Kobe, McGrady, Duncan and maybe Shaq. He's that vital...
 

rc213

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Boston, MA --The Boston Celtics announced today that the August 6th trade with the Los Angeles Lakers, in which the Celtics received Gary Payton, Rick Fox and a conditional first round draft pick in exchange for Chucky Atkins, Chris Mihm, Marcus Banks and a second round draft choice, has been amended. In the amended deal, the Celtics have sent 6’8” forward Jumaine Jones instead of Banks to the Lakers, and no longer includes the Celtics second round draft choice.
Boston still receives Payton, Fox, the conditional first round draft pick and cash considerations.
!!!
 

Boomer

Member
HalfPastNoon said:
Um, Seattle won't be trading for Mr. Glass, aka VC. Allen can only be traded for 3-4 players. Kobe, McGrady, Duncan and maybe Shaq. He's that vital...


Hahaha, do you seriously believe this shit?!
 

DMczaf

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
thats bullshit. What the fuck do we need jumaine jones for? How many goddamn SFs does Mitch want on the roster for crissakes.

Don't fuck with Mitch's dream of the first ever all small forward team!
 
HalfPastNoon said:
Um, Seattle won't be trading for Mr. Glass, aka VC. Allen can only be traded for 3-4 players. Kobe, McGrady, Duncan and maybe Shaq. He's that vital...
I usually avoid basketball hilites on Sports Center and even I know that's ridiculous.
 
Anyone heard about Yao's promise? He said that if China doesn't reach the quarterfinals he will not shave for 6 months.

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Damn you, Del Harris!

Although I don't even think he could grow much facial hair to begin with. =p
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
HalfPastNoon said:
Um, Seattle won't be trading for Mr. Glass, aka VC. Allen can only be traded for 3-4 players. Kobe, McGrady, Duncan and maybe Shaq. He's that vital...


Well he is right about one thing... looks like Seattle will resign Raygun... But come on HPN you really can't believe that Raygun is that good... I mean I like your heart and everything but let's come back to earth.....
 

drohne

hyperbolically metafictive
fuckin hell. banks was the only part of that deal i liked. there goes the first decent defensive pointguard the lakers have had in...i don't even know how long. :(
 

DMczaf

Member
Oh no...Jordan is getting into motorcycle racing :(

http://www.heraldpalladium.com/articles/2004/08/13/news/news3.txt

LACOTA -- If anyone thinks Michael Jordan is resting on his laurels after retiring from professional basketball, think again.

Not only is the former NBA superstar busy overseeing his basketball camps, a string of Michael Jordan restaurants, Michael Jordan cologne and charities such as the Boys and Girls Club and Special Olympics, he's now turning some of his attention to motorcycle racing.
On Wednesday Jordan and several other aspiring racers tested their skills at Gingerman Raceway in Lacota as part of the Skills and Techniques for Advanced Riding (STAR) Motorcycle School. Each year, the school, whose chief instructor is motorcycle racing champion Jason Pridmore, conducts a weakling course at Gingerman and other sites in the United States.

"They're (Jordan's team) here just for the day," said track owner Dan Schnitta.

Although the weather hovered at an unseasonably cool 58 degrees, Jordan and the other riders appeared to be enjoying themselves as they sped around the 1.8-mile track.

"He's having a blast out there," said track manager Bob Gilroy.


But it wasn't all fun and games for Jordan and the other motorcyclists training with him. They were being filmed for a documentary on motorcycling that is tentatively scheduled to air on the SpeedChannel, a cable television channel that features auto and motorcycle racing program.

"I'm glad that there are people like Michael Jordan promoting safe motorcycling," Schnitta said. "They come out here and they can train safely."

Jordan is being asked to help promote a motorcycle racing team that will compete nationally. But before doing so, he wants to become proficient in motorcycle racing, Schnitta said.

Like other celebrities, such as actor Paul Newman and NASCAR racing star Dale Earnhardt Jr., who have visited the track, Jordan kept a low profile during his brief stay in the South Haven area.

"The reason people come here is they want to get away and they want a quiet place," Schnitta said, adding that often he has to sign agreements with celebrities that he won't allow the media to approach them during their stay.

Under one of those agreements, he would not allow a reporter to interview Jordan.

Jordan, however, did take time to meet with Schnitta's family, including his son, Zachary, 19, and his friend Ian O'Brien, 18.

"He was very friendly, very nice," said Zach, who is a student at Grand Valley State University.

His friend agreed.

"He was so friendly, it was amazing," Ian said. "When he was playing basketball, he made you want to watch it on TV."

"He's like the Babe Ruth of our generation," Zach said.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Eeewwww Jordan just ewwwww...


*Biker Boys movie pops into head*
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Sactown said:
I went to one of the best high schools in New York, but that only accounted for a few hours a day, 3 days a week. Just because I went to a school full of freaks and geeks it doesn't mean I wasn't dealin, stealin, and assaultin people while I wasn't in school. The School you go to does not identify who you are.

Webb was undercover, but not like Pigs. You always know a pig is UC when you in da hood, but Webb can pull it off. He was respected in the streets, he got paid to go to school, and he got away with more shit cause he looked innocent, he's the NKOTB of the hood, that's straight up gangsta.

Son.
There is so much goodness in this post that my Unintentional Comedy Scale just blew through the roof.
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Shinobi

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But it wasn't all fun and games for Jordan and the other motorcyclists training with him. They were being filmed for a documentary on motorcycling that is tentatively scheduled to air on the SpeedChannel, a cable television channel that features auto and motorcycle racing program.

SPEED CHANNEL!!

SHOWING JORDAN!!

YAH!!


DMczaf said:
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Uhhhh....no.

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No. Really DONT!

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You should've seen it live...Shammond Williams was dancing it up with the cheerleaders, then walked off the floor with them into the tunnel.
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Loki

Count of Concision
bishoptl said:
There is so much goodness in this post that my Unintentional Comedy Scale just blew through the roof.
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I'm pretty sure that that was a tongue-in-cheek post, Bish. ;) But if not, then yeah, that is unintentional comedic gold. :p I know I laughed.
 

Cloudy

Banned
NBC is showing it here in Michigan. Maybe it's tape delayed for you west coast guys?

edit: it's 49-27 @ the half. Arroyo is schooling everyone...
 
Guzim said:
Is it possible to use the 1992 Dream Team?

i've been saying for years that we should just send the college national championship team to the Olympics as the US representative. They may not be nearly as talented, but at least they know how to play as a TEAM, and even if they lose, it'd be a lot less embarassing than seeing a bunch of high priced primadonnas get their asses kicked.
 

Malleymal

You now belong to FMT.
welcome back cloudy, and yea that game winner by Manu was crazy... also NBC is showing the game herei n jersey, and ON NBC HD, they are showing some gymnastics... I want my NBA in HD
 

Cloudy

Banned
Thx Mal :p

Piston, I think the solution is to have a designated national team that practices (or plays scrimmage games with NBA teams or other countries) on and off year-round. Kinda like EVERYONE ELSE lol. This crap of throwing 12 guys together a few weeks before the competition isn't working anymore...
 

Shinobi

Member
Cloudy said:
Wow, sweet game-winner by Manu at the buzzer :eek:

That shot was just sick. Gino knocked down a bunch of three's too...where were those in May??? Bastard...


Ninja Scooter said:
i've been saying for years that we should just send the college national championship team to the Olympics as the US representative. They may not be nearly as talented, but at least they know how to play as a TEAM, and even if they lose, it'd be a lot less embarassing than seeing a bunch of high priced primadonnas get their asses kicked.

You know what's funny? Half this team should still be in college.
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Not having the 12 best players isn't the problem with this team. It's the way the team was put together. Half of these players are more or less interchangable, and that makes no sense whatsoever. The team's best three point shooter is Richard Jefferson, and he shot like 35% last year. It's just a ridiculous job of building a team.

Last year's team was built primarily on talent as well, but at least the all star guards could drain a three pointer or two. Five players shot 45% or more from behind the arc during that tourney. What did they shoot in the first half today, 1 for 13? That's just ridiculous.

It's really not hard to figure out why this is going on. Watch all the international games, and you see teams packing the paint with three or four guys. There's no three second rule like the NBA, so you could literally pull out a sleeping bag and nap in it and there's no harm done. So teams are forced to shoot well outside to stand a chance. Once you do that, the inside players will have to shift out a little more, and that's when you can exploit your big men and guys who can go to the hoop. But if you can't hit an outside shot, you're shit out of luck.

I simply can't believe how poorly constructed this team is...unless AI gets hot every game (and considering he's a historically streaky shooter that's hardly something you can count on), this team is going to be life and death to win these games. At least in Sydney that team had Ray Allen for the outside thread, and Vince Carter who made big shots at anytime to keep the games close. There's simply no big consistent shot makers on this squad, and Duncan can't do much since he's literally getting quadupled teamed or simply fouled with every touch of the ball.
 
Bibby withdrew, citing fatigue and Redd wasn't asked. Both guys are sorely needed after watching this team. This team's offensive execution is horrible. The defense packs the middle and leave guys open for jumpers and since they can’t hit those, they’re just clueless as to what else to do.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
It was tape delayed on the west coast, but I think it was live for the rest of America. I know it was live here in Texas and I assume the same was true in the midwest and east coast.
 

Loki

Count of Concision
Man, that was a pathetic showing by the US. How does the Olympic format work? It's not a "one loss and out" obviously, so how does it work?
 
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