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[truly101]

i hope you're not being serious, i havent looked at the box score from tonight to see if you are or not. but i really hope you're not being serious.


oh, and fuck duke. besides that, i'll be back saturday to comment on how much better terrance jones is than harrison barnes.

You need to wait to Saturday to do that? Oh and fuck UK/Calamari

I think as a team MSU played better than Duke did. They rebounded better, ran their offense more efficiently, forced Duke into bad shots, actually got to the foul bonus before Duke did (but Duke gets all the calls?!?!?!) really Irving was the difference here. Despite the 2 loses, I think Michigan State has less work to do than Duke does, turnovers were their only issue.

 

[Knux-Future]

Balyor is a team full of tall stick figures

Spoiler

and women punchers

 

[Future PhaZe]

so howz dat harrison barnes

 

[SyNapSe]

so howz dat harrison barnes

 

[perfectchaos007]

Kansas hasn't lost a home game since I was still in high school. That was a long ass time ago.

 

[bucknuticus]

What a bullshit way for a game to end, looked more like a travel than a foul to me.

 

[LegoDad]

What a bullshit was for a game to end, looked more like a travel than a foul to me.

Welcome to watching KU/Duke basketball, they will always get the call.

 

[devilhawk]

Welcome to watching KU/Duke basketball, they will always get the call.

Oh, little brother.

 

[LegoDad]

Oh, little brother.

It's a home game, it's called hometown refs, happens everywhere. Take off your blue shaded glasses sometime.

 

[jayhawker]

It was a debatable call, but it was also debatable when the refs didn't call the bump on Reed that led to the steal and three to tie it.

 

[devilhawk]

It was a debatable call, but it was also debatable when the refs didn't call the bump on Reed that led to the steal and three to tie it.

Definitely didn't "get the call" there.

 

[LegoDad]

Definitely didn't "get the call" there.

Hometown refs don't give you ALL the calls but the majority. Don't deny it doesn't happen, it happens at every home game.

 

[devilhawk]

Hometown refs don't give you ALL the calls but the majority. Don't deny it doesn't happen, it happens at every home game.

Never said otherwise. Don't think that it doesn't happen at the Octagon either.

 

[LegoDad]

Never said otherwise. Don't think that it doesn't happen at the Octagon either.

It does, just not against KU, maybe this year we will get the calls since we were favored.

 

[DY_nasty]

so howz dat harrison barnes

someone tell this man the tale of turnover jesus

 

[truly101]

Welcome to watching KU/Duke basketball, they will always get the call.

Its a (not so) secret cabal between the NCAA, CBS and the Illuminati to ensure that we get all the calls because it makes everyone more money, even though everyone hates us. I was told by UNC fans that it was painfully obvious that Wednesday nights outcome was scripted, look no further than the number of FTs Duke attempted vs Sparty, even Yahoo sports can't ignore such an obvious bias. Of course lets ignore the following facts like:

1. MSU got to the bonus before Duke did

2. The foul differential was 9, 25 called on MSU, 16 on Duke. When you consider that MSU fouled Duke at least 5 times in the final minute to stop the clock, it doesn't look so egregious.

3. Duke finally has a pro caliber PG that excels in attacking the basket and drawing contact while shooting, Kyrie had 16 attempts in that game, almost double the next closest player, Nolan Smith with 10.

But still, the Refs are in the tank for Duke, FTs attempted PROVES it! Of course when you mention that UNC lead the nation in FTs taken during 2009 (Hansbrough and Lawson got there a lot) well then FTs attempted doesn't mean anything except that UNC is superiorly talented.

Anyway, carry on.

 

[Bowser]

Man, I wish we had Irving instead of Barnes. Not because he's looked better than Barnes so far (he is, no question), but because he seems like a natural fit at PG in Roy's system. Hope Barnes can finally break out against UK. He just needs to stop pressing.

 

[LegoDad]

Its a (not so) secret cabal between the NCAA, CBS and the Illuminati to ensure that we get all the calls because it makes everyone more money, even though everyone hates us. I was told by UNC fans that it was painfully obvious that Wednesday nights outcome was scripted, look no further than the number of FTs Duke attempted vs Sparty, even Yahoo sports can't ignore such an obvious bias. Of course lets ignore the following facts like:

1. MSU got to the bonus before Duke did

2. The foul differential was 9, 25 called on MSU, 16 on Duke. When you consider that MSU fouled Duke at least 5 times in the final minute to stop the clock, it doesn't look so egregious.

3. Duke finally has a pro caliber PG that excels in attacking the basket and drawing contact while shooting, Kyrie had 16 attempts in that game, almost double the next closest player, Nolan Smith with 10.

But still, the Refs are in the tank for Duke, FTs attempted PROVES it! Of course when you mention that UNC lead the nation in FTs taken during 2009 (Hansbrough and Lawson got there a lot) well then FTs attempted doesn't mean anything except that UNC is superiorly talented.

Anyway, carry on.

The difference in fouls is never a good way, because you can add non shooting, tick tacky fouls to keep the foul count close.

Getting to the bonus first doesn't guarantee actually shooting the ball for a free throw though.

It's an endless debate that the schools called out will never see, or agree on.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Seth C]

The difference in fouls is never a good way, because you can add non shooting, tick tacky fouls to keep the foul count close.

Getting to the bonus first doesn't guarantee actually shooting the ball for a free throw though.

It's an endless debate that the schools called out will never see, or agree on.

Agree to disagree.

The best way to compare is free throws attempted at home versus away, for a season. If there is a very large difference then the team gets solid home cooking. I'm bored at work so I ran the numbers from last year for three teams:

Duke
Home: 24.5
Away: 21
Favoritism: +3.5

Kansas
Home: 25.36
Away: 23.36
Favoritism: +2

Kentucky
Home: 26.16
Away: 23.66
Favoritism: +2.5

What's interesting is that when you add in the neutral court appearances (21.2, 22, 26) you see that while Duke gets even treatment on the road and at neutral courts, Kansas gets even worse treatment at neutral courts than they do on the road, and Kentucky is the odd man out, getting statistically identical treatment on neutral courts as at home.

 

[truly101]

The difference in fouls is never a good way, because you can add non shooting, tick tacky fouls to keep the foul count close.

Getting to the bonus first doesn't guarantee actually shooting the ball for a free throw though.

It's an endless debate that the schools called out will never see, or agree on.

Agree to disagree.

The other issue is that fans of said teams have seen it happen several times to their teams as well, but it never gets any fanfair or publicity. Nobody remembers Indiana mugging Carlos Boozer as he went up for a go ahead shot at the end of that sweet 16 game, no call. on the opposite end, the refs decided to call a foul on every Duke player within 2 feet of Okafor in 2004, they did this within the last 2 minutes of the game when Duke had a 8 pt lead. Both Shelden Wlliams and Shavlik Randolph fouled out, we had nobody to stop Okafor and it wouldn't have mattered as they would call the slightest contact on him anyway.

Getting to the bonus first generally means shooting free throws first and it did for MSU on Wednesday. You're not going to get a lot of non shooting fouls particularly when your past the 7-10 foul range, its pretty rare.

Foul differential to me does make a difference, as those fouls add up quick and can limit the effectiveness of a player. Second, it seems disingenuous to simply look at one stat (number of FTs taken here) and taking it out of context to tell whatever story fits their agenda. Sure, seeing that Duke took 33 FTs and MSU took 15 looks terrible, complete home cooking, but then you see the foul differential is only 9 (knowing at least 5 of those committed in the last minute or so) and then you see that the Duke PG attempted 16FTs, far more than any other Duke player. Whats the real story here, K intimidated the refs for the umpteenth time or Kyrie Irving took advantage of his quickness to drive and draw contact?

I'm not naive enough to think that home court advantage doesn't play into fouls called and that Duke has not benefitted from it. There are stats out there that show most of your perennial top 25 teams benefit from home officiating and foul differential, its not unique to Duke at all. You just have a select group of morons out there that truly believe that Duke couldn't win a game cleanly without the refs help, and point to FTs attempted to somehow validate this. This is more aggrevating when their own team has very similar stats when it comes to fouls.

 

[jjasper]

Any chance Kanter can just say his dad dealt with the money and he didn't know about it?

 

[NewLib]

Any chance Kanter can just say his dad dealt with the money and he didn't know about it?

That is the rumor on what new information Kentucky decided to give to the NCAA.

 

[Nerevar]

The difference in fouls is never a good way, because you can add non shooting, tick tacky fouls to keep the foul count close.

Getting to the bonus first doesn't guarantee actually shooting the ball for a free throw though.

It's an endless debate that the schools called out will never see, or agree on.

Agree to disagree.

Right, just like how the government planned 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination was an inside job. The fact that you can't prove a conspiracy theory like "school X gets all the calls!" only proves it further!

 

[vas_a_morir]

Any chance Kanter can just say his dad dealt with the money and he didn't know about it?

Yeah, it's a complete crock of shit. The Auburn situation might be the best thing to happen to UK this year, haha

 

[perfectchaos007]

Kansas State is just not a great team without Clemente. Jacob Pullen is still struggling

edit: I changed good to great because they are a good team, just not top 20 imo

 

[bigtroyjon]

Kansas State is just not a great team without Clemente. Jacob Pullen is still struggling

edit: I changed good to great because they are a good team, just not top 20 imo

Have watched the whole game and both teams have been awful. Half the the possesions have ended in a turnover or missed ft.

KSU is clearly over rated but damn they have a ton of 6-5, 6-6 athletes on the team. Should be a lot better by the end of the year.

 

[GodfatherX]

That is the rumor on what new information Kentucky decided to give to the NCAA.

except in an appeal no new evidence is looked at

edit: i see sandy bell's magic fax machine can fax checks to ncaa HQ

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Kemba is beast

 

[PotatoeMasher]

except in an appeal no new evidence is looked at

And if you were paying attention you'd know that they're asking to start the process over, which allows new information.

 

[LegoDad]

Kansas State is just not a great team without Clemente. Jacob Pullen is still struggling

edit: I changed good to great because they are a good team, just not top 20 imo

K-State is very young and the immaturity shines though alot. I really hope Pullen and Kelly can step up and get this team together.

KSU also always plays rough, they don't look good, but get the job done. They also have beaten two top 25 teams already, handily. So they top 20 is a little low, but I don't think they are top 5 material, but I thought the same thing last year.

 

[LegoDad]

Right, just like how the government planned 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination was an inside job. The fact that you can't prove a conspiracy theory like "school X gets all the calls!" only proves it further!

I just see no reason to debate it, because no one on either side will agree, which is why I said agree to disagree, move on.

 

[NewLib]

Harrison Barnes is finally showing up. Everyone who isnt watching this game, is missing a hell of game.

 

[jakncoke]

Harrison Barnes is finally showing up. Everyone who isnt watching this game, is missing a hell of game.

Why would I want to watch a future NIT team? ZING!

 

[jjasper]

Yeah, it's a complete crock of shit. The Auburn situation might be the best thing to happen to UK this year, haha

Pretty much. And pretty much every player that has been rule ineligible. NCAA opened up a huge mess for themselves.

 

[Seth C]

Pretty much. And pretty much every player that has been rule ineligible. NCAA opened up a huge mess for themselves.

Don't worry. Kanter still won't be cleared to play. He's at Kentucky, after all. Will be probably have to vacate the season just for having him sitting on the bench at home games.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I saw Harrison Barnes dribble but I'm not sure if I imagined it.

 

[NewLib]

I dont think you could find two more opposite teams. Kentucky has no post presence whatsoever and North Carolina has the shittiest guards I have seen for a major college basketball program.

 

[Bowser]

I dont think you could find two more opposite teams. Kentucky has no post presence whatsoever and North Carolina has the shittiest guards I have seen for a major college basketball program.

And yet Roy still has yet to offer an elite PG (Rodney Purvis plz).

 

[DY_nasty]

I dont think you could find two more opposite teams. Kentucky has no post presence whatsoever and North Carolina has the shittiest guards I have seen for a major college basketball program.

Turnover Jesus

#based

its crazy how strickland and drew just freeze barnes out...

 

[NewLib]

If Terrence Jones tries to post up one more time, Im going to lose it.

 

[Buckethead]

MSU isn't on TV, but I get Detroit vs. someone?

Makes sense.

 

[jakncoke]

Lets go Pitt!

 

[DY_nasty]

How a school like UNC can have the worst guards in the nation is mind-boggling...

 

[Mgoblue201]

Amaker continues to haunt Michigan from beyond the grave. Hasn't he done enough damage already?

 

[Ripclawe]

I could care less about UNC/Kentucky but Gus Johnson is on and I Must watch

 

[Seth C]

I could care less about UNC/Kentucky but Gus Johnson is on and I Must watch

You enjoy hearing a grown man jizz every time a UNC player does, well, anything?

 

[jakncoke]

You enjoy hearing a grown man jizz every time a UNC player does, well, anything?

:lol

Edit: Pitt finally heating up 9-0 run

Edit: nice steal by Wanamaker

 

[DY_nasty]

At least UNC's defense seems to be back...

Hack-a-Henson uggggggggggggggghh

omfg these unc guards are clowns

 

[jjasper]

Is there a stream of the unc/uk game anywhere?

 

[Proelite]

Henson makes a free throw, the Dean Dome goes wild.

UNC finally showing what they're capable of.