SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Wrong as in incorrect, not wrong as in in violation of the rules.
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Dargor
Member
You were wrong in both it seems.
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Banned
I have never seen Gaf ban someone who didn't at least break from acceptable conduct in some way.
I have never seen a modern leftist (to be clear, split out from sane leftist positions like classical liberalism) argue without being an utterly disingenuous, disruptive POS, that would make a gaming side fanboy blush.
That and the typical song and dance from the worst of the worst, chosen for complaints here (there's no centrists, there's no leftists, no freedom of speech! I'm being oppressed!) make me very suspicious of the criticism on this page.
I have never seen a modern leftist (to be clear, split out from sane leftist positions like classical liberalism) argue without being an utterly disingenuous, disruptive POS, that would make a gaming side fanboy blush.
That and the typical song and dance from the worst of the worst, chosen for complaints here (there's no centrists, there's no leftists, no freedom of speech! I'm being oppressed!) make me very suspicious of the criticism on this page.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I'm not a leftist, I'm a left-leaning independent swing voter who is broadly supportive of popular mainstream positions like BLM/police reform and universal healthcare and thinks Trump is a dummy.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Prediction: This probably won't end well.
ThatGamingDude
I am a virgin
Jokes aside, I don't really think there's much more to discuss
You're The Fucking New Guy; it comes with you're The Fucking New Guy territory
Once the mods have a history of your posts/you have some tenure here, you'll be fine
I got the newspaper once or twice for poking fun at people not pirating (In the context that I'm admittedly a filthy dirty pirate) and I wanna say that was in my first 3 months
Don't be the dude that goes into a business and tells the owners and staff how to run it; let them run it and enjoy your time.
You're The Fucking New Guy; it comes with you're The Fucking New Guy territory
Once the mods have a history of your posts/you have some tenure here, you'll be fine
I got the newspaper once or twice for poking fun at people not pirating (In the context that I'm admittedly a filthy dirty pirate) and I wanna say that was in my first 3 months
Don't be the dude that goes into a business and tells the owners and staff how to run it; let them run it and enjoy your time.
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Banned
Okay, humor aside, I just want you to know that if you genuinely think any of that is true, you are in the right place. You badly need some dissenting voices and criticism in your life, versus whatever ideological circle jerk you came to us from.
Welcome to Gaf. It might not always agree with you, but it's the most enriching, sane place on the internet to discuss right now, no matter what ideas you hold, simply by virtue of letting all kinds of discussions happen (minus obvious horrible ones like that one German guy in the early 20th century). Treat it with respect (this is key), put your best foot forward, and you'll have a great time here.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Your affiliation is defined by policies you support, positions you support, and how you interpret political situations. It is not defined by arbitrary labels you give yourself.
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Tesseract
Banned
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I don't really like ideological circle jerk type places. Can't stand Resetera, which is completely politically moderated, but don't want this place to be the same.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Ok, but like, what if I don't like AOC or Obama, but also don't like Trump, support BLM and healthcare, but don't support Antifa or open borders? And if I think Russiagate was retarded but Trump should have been found guilty on Ukraine? Where do those policies leave me in 2020's political climate?
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Tesseract
Banned
who cares, argue your positions and let the chips fall
classifications and banners are for sycophants
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
ThatGamingDude
made a point earlier:"Also, I'd rethink coming to a gaming focused forum and expecting great political commentary "
That being said, GAF is a gaming forum and asking what political leanings the site has is just starting another political discussion in the wrong thread.
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Banned
Reminder that you think Police Reform/BLM support are mainstream, independent political stances. Again, if genuine, you aren't fit to judge what is and isn't an ideological circlejerk... yet.
Being able to identify Resetera as a shithole, is just a basic human prerequisite (shame about Tay-San then).
My advice to you would be to worry about yourself. Go put some great arguments forward for reform/BLM support, and a universal healthcare argument. I mean, work hard on showing why this is viable, why we should want this, and addressing the inevitable criticism you'll meet with good counterarguments, clarity, and interaction with your critics.
No cheats. No misquoting your opponents. No specious arguments. No strawmen. No inability to concede the point, if well won. I don't know you. I don't know that you do that. But the kind of posters that run into trouble here, do.
Do all of that, settle into things around here (you really are brand new), and take constructive criticism from the mods, rather than immediately jumping to a defensive position.
Then tell me how it works out for you.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
Well polling data suggests it's a view held by 67% of Americans, so yes, mainstream, not "far left."
Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement
As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.
www.pewsocialtrends.org
Obviously there's a stark partisan divide on the issue but it's not enough to paint me as some far-left extremist.
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Banned
Well polling data suggests it's a view held by 67% of Americans, so yes, mainstream, not "far left."
Amid Protests, Majorities Across Racial and Ethnic Groups Express Support for the Black Lives Matter Movement
As demonstrations continue across the country to protest the death of George Floyd, a black man killed while in Minneapolis police custody, Americans see the protests both as a reaction to Floyd’s death and an expression of frustration over longstanding issues.
Obviously there's a stark partisan divide on the issue but it's not enough to paint me as some far-left extremist.
Try now, after months of rioting, the George Floyd bodycam video, and the revelations of BLM and others wanting police gone or severely reduced.
As you admit, it's a partisan issue. A typically hard-left political opinion (specifically when including defund the police) in my observations.
But. That's for the politics section. Not for here.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Whenever you transition to new spaces with different mixes of opinionated demographics, you may tend to feel it's overwhelmingly skewed, depending on what kind of an environment you are coming from.
Argue your positions based on your personal philosophy/values and real world examples. Don't take the rebuttals personally even if it causes emotional discomfort. You've been arguing your case relatively calmly/articulately here, so I assume that could be a factor. If the responses to you are more insults rather than substantive arguments, then that will be apparent over time. Don't abuse the report button, but if you feel you must use it, do so only in the most obvious circumstances and be sure to properly explain why it was employed.
Maybe you're right about there being moderation bias. Maybe you're wrong. The only way you can get a better grasp on that situation is with more data and experience, but it's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy if you let this minor incident trigger you and put you down the path of tribal discontent. Try to rise above, and keep your responses logical and civil, even if you don't think the targets deserve either. You're still new here, and anyone in any new environment has to do a little extra in the beginning to demonstrate their good faith. It's just life. Try to take it with stride. Good luck.
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Happosai
Hold onto your panties
This and read Section lll of the Term & Rules for GAF. Can't hurt.
III. Moderation Policy
A. Moderation of NeoGAF is not by democracy. All decisions with regards to thread closure and movement, permanent and temporary bans, membership, and any other relevant issues are made by the NeoGAF administration alone and are final. That being said, constructive criticisms and suggestions are welcome, provided they are directed to NeoGAF Administration via e-mail, here. Do not dispute administrative policy or action within the forum itself.
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DKehoe
Member
Politics GAF is what it is. Take it or leave it. As was mentioned above you probably shouldn't be expecting a high level of political discussion when you come to a games forum. I more or less stopped posting there a while back and have no real interest in doing so again. Now and then I'll drop by it to lurk and get a different perspective on things but actually joining in seems like a waste of time. I'd rather just discuss fun stuff on here instead. If other people get something out of it then good for them.
I think the virus was a turning point for me. It was one thing when the topics were about typical political topics like taxation or immigration. Stuff that has been discussed for so long that it's reasonable to assume people hold those beliefs because of time they have spent looking into the subject. But then the outbreak happened and suddenly everyone is an expert in what the response to a pandemic should be, something no one there knew anything about before. It made me realise that a lot of Politics GAF, and a lot of places like it, is just people screaming at each other with absolutely certainty that they are right and anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot and/or out to undermine the foundation of our society (just to be clear, this goes for people on both sides of the political spectrum). You don't really see people with differing opinions engage in a discussion to learn from each other. It's typically people having an argument that doesn't achieve anything.
I think the virus was a turning point for me. It was one thing when the topics were about typical political topics like taxation or immigration. Stuff that has been discussed for so long that it's reasonable to assume people hold those beliefs because of time they have spent looking into the subject. But then the outbreak happened and suddenly everyone is an expert in what the response to a pandemic should be, something no one there knew anything about before. It made me realise that a lot of Politics GAF, and a lot of places like it, is just people screaming at each other with absolutely certainty that they are right and anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot and/or out to undermine the foundation of our society (just to be clear, this goes for people on both sides of the political spectrum). You don't really see people with differing opinions engage in a discussion to learn from each other. It's typically people having an argument that doesn't achieve anything.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
DKehoe
Member
I used to post in Politics and now I don't. I'm fine with not posting there anymore. I can drop by to watch the carnage when the mood strikes. I'm not saying it should be shut down or anything like that. If other people want to post there and find it meaningful to do so then they are welcome to.
Tesseract
Banned
fair enough (i think it keeps the mind sharp)
win or lose, regardless of where you land on the compass
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DKehoe
Member
To be clear, I don't think it's all bad. There's been a bunch of times where I've checked in there to see what people think of an issue and learned something by reading the opinion with someone with a different perspective from me. I'm kinda at a point where I'd rather focus on expanding my own perspective by seeing what I can learn from others rather than getting in endless arguments trying to make people think the same as me.
Tesseract
Banned
the goal shouldn't be to make others think like you
empower the individual and let them be whatever they want, good ideas should still rise to the top
DKehoe
Member
Sure. I didn’t mean it was. Just that so much of the conversation there feels like it’s done in that way. Like it’s like a zero sum game where people are setting out to win rather than discuss. There often seems to be a presumption that the other person is acting in bad faith and so there can’t be any sort of concessions given to each other. It’s why it doesn’t seem productive to me. But as I said, if others get something from it then go for it.
sonomamashine
Member
Feels more like
cormack12
I only seeYes, two new friends to join @Mod of War at GAF's big boy table.
Feel free to pop in once in a while and talk about games too. I know DGrayson sometimes does so I think it's okay.
in Zelda BOTW2 threads, he's hyped.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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w/e
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
EviLore
out of curiosity if we're banning people for 9TF posts to spare the feelings of PS users, should we not take a similar line to 'nintendo is just for kiddies', 'my switch is gathering dust', etc stuff? The anti-Nintendo console warring from the butthurt masses is getting a bit out of hand right now.
Tesseract
Banned
squall, is dat u
It’s not to spare feelings, it’s more to push back against the bizarre gaslighting campaign.
Report when you see people shitting on Nintendo fans unfairly though and we’ll look into it.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
Will do - it's getting where you can't discuss anything Switch without PS/XBOX/Emulator trolls appearing out of the woodwork - it disrupts the conversation and adds nothing positive. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/swit...ossing-new-horizon-tops-22-4-million.1559899/ had a fair bit of it, and of course you then have threads like https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sold-my-switch-today.1561427 where I think the OP was probably not intending anything dishonest but it attracted trolls like dogshit attracts flies. Weirdly the https://www.neogaf.com/threads/gafs-nintendo-discussion-news-and-speculation-ot.1511476/ thread seems to stay nice and clean thank fuck, but it does feel at times like we're quarantined in there.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
Roger, I’ll have a look through the links and drop some warnings as warranted.
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I mean you can have the opinion Nintendo games are just for kids and your Switch really can be gathering dust... not really in the same ballpark as lying about the specs of a console.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
I'll pop in a report or two as trawling through threads is hard work.
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hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
No problem having an opinion, but it gets tiring hearing the same old bollocks again and again - the idea that the games are just for kids is provably wrong however because so many adults enjoy it, and can be considered a way of insulting those adults who do enjoy the Switch. In some ways it bears comparison to how SJWs call people racist - if you call Nintendo owners kids all the time then people stop popping up to talk positively about it. For me, it's a plastic box that's brilliantly designed and has brilliant games which I enjoy. I also have two gaming PCs, a VR setup, etc. I'm not religious about these things, but some people really do get so insanely angry that the Switch exists.
Re reports I decided to play safe and report the more egregious stuff rather than a wider selection. A lot skirts the edges of dickness without me being sure whether it qualifies for a report.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
While they're both annoying and generally not productive statements, one is technically an unproven claim while the Nintendo stuff is more of an opinion (although you could totally test this by analyzing dev statements about design goals and also analyzing purchasing demographics and active user demographics). At the end of the day, though, a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm a vaginist.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
alone
Aug 19, 2020 Permanent Requested. 
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
I might have to steal this as a profile pic, with your permission ofc!
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Permission granted.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Am I missing something with Nola Gaffer? How is this: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/tita...uspended-from-twitter.1561589/#post-259766461 a perm (or a ban at all)? It appears to be on topic (right leaning people getting banned from Twitter moving to Parler), it is a comment on the power discrepancy here (since the reach of Twitter is hard to match with other platforms), and it does not attack any user.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
It's not the one post. Almost his entire purpose on this site was to drop into topics, leave a shitty hot take to bait people in, and then vanish without really ever having a real discussion on anything. Pretty sure he'd been temp'd for the same thing previously.
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