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Rapidly expending good will, Jon.

 

[The Hamburglar]

of NXGamer. If that were true, would we not be reply banning you foR this,

That post by Jon is top tier garbage how can he complain about others when he posts drivel like that?

jon stop you’re coming across like a whiny little kid

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Warrior: I demand you explain how this could happen

Mod: explains how it happens

Warrior: that's the wrong kind of explanation

Mod:

 

[Jon Neu]

That post by Jon is top tier garbage how can he complain about others when he posts drivel like that?

jon stop you’re coming across like a whiny little kid

Drivel?

I was literally copying the previous response of a Sony fan but changing DF with NXGamer. I was literally calling out the hypocrisy of that Sony fan just by paraphrasing him but changing DF with NXGamer to expose his logic.

It’s only drivel if you are incapable of following the context of that post.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

I'd just like to let the mod team know how much I appreciate the crackdown lately on all sides of the fanboy wars. Things definitely seem a bit less constricting and juvenile as of late. I'd been avoiding gaming side more than I'd like due to the constant sniping and warring. But I'm going to make an effort to participate more and talk about games and stuff I'm excited about or interested in learning about, like I've been wanting to when I have the time. Keep up the good work, Cheers!

 

[CatLady]

We're not going to talk about DF in an NXGamer thread. You can't see reply bans in most cases, but yes posts like this are likely to earn reply bans. Earn enough reply bans, then it's a ban. People derailing early in the thread are likely to be bit harder. For instance were you reply banned for this no one would know, but your post would likely still be reported subsequently. That's why many of you probably think 'nothing is happening' when it is, and why you see so many bans on the ban page with [+multiple] tags. For instance, no-one knew that Lunatic_Gamer had been removed from the next gen thread did they? But they had been. Can you tell me what you have seen done in the Xbox runs hot thread? As there were twenty reply bans issued. Does that mean because you didn't see it, then nothing was done? Stop working on assumptions, conspiracy theories and just chill out. Use the ignore button. Don't brag about how you're all tough enough to avoid using the ignore button then cry to the mods about seeing things you don't like. They don't complement each other. If you get emotionally affected by reading things, use ignore. Its the easiest thing to do.


If you want to discuss the legitimacy of an outlet or any perceived bias you are welcome to do so in a dedicated thread that has credible accusations/examples. But the constant derails about this, xbox series S resolution etc. in other threads are going to be clamped down on. And those who are are daft enough to be provoked and also derail threads for multiple pages are likely to be collateral damage. If you escalate, you're part of the problem. We don't need immature shriekers getting red faced because they read something about a plastic box that upsets them. No one wants to read fanboy bickering for pages.


What I'd genuinely ask back is, why is it always the same people who are involved in this behaviour? From both camps? Why can so much of the forum behave like rational adults except a minority? Why can you all see what console warring is yet Bernkastel hasn't reported your post in the NXGamer thread? Why is it that Sony fans reporting Xbox fans don't report other Sony fans? You all obviously know what childish console warring is, and are able to identify it - so why don't you report/pick examples from your own 'side'?

Thank you for this explanation and illumination. Because a lot of moderation is done in the background and is invisible to users. sometimes the perception is that nothing is being done about bad behavior.

I will admit that I thought a certain group of people are allowed to run rampant with all their conspiracy theories and hateful comments regarding Digital Foundry. It is reassuring to know that isn't the case. This also helps to understand that the often the linked post is only the final straw and the meaning of the [+multiple] comment when a warrior finally ends up getting a ban.

Anyway thanks you for taking the time for the detailed explanation and transparency.

 

[Fake]

Yikes.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Bryank 75 shouldnt be banned man. That was soft
ANd what happened to MiyazakihatesKojima Lol?

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

What I'd genuinely ask back is, why is it always the same people who are involved in this behaviour? From both camps? Why can so much of the forum behave like rational adults except a minority? Why can you all see what console warring is yet Bernkastel hasn't reported your post in the NXGamer thread? Why is it that Sony fans reporting Xbox fans don't report other Sony fans? You all obviously know what childish console warring is, and are able to identify it - so why don't you report/pick examples from your own 'side'?

Optically, from what I've observed, I actually think that Jon has a bit of a point. However...

To add an analogy to your wise question...

I'll compare the situation to protests since it's hip and in right now... You have Left Wing and Right Wing protests. I'll compare the actually peaceful people from these protests from either side as upset gaming fans. And the people causing anarchy as fanboys. The reason that many people have stopped giving any weight to the recent protests and actually seeing them as a negative in general, is because the "peaceful" people aren't doing everything they can to denounce, stop and kick out the anarchists when they spot them. Rather, they are encouraging and shielding them.

Now, if I where one of those fans from any side, in or out of a protest, I'd want to cleanse my "side" of any of the anarchists/fanboys because they only make you look bad. The more you let them run amuck literally right next to you, protest or not, the less weight your side/voice is going to hold especially when dealing with any "apposing" side for the same issues that plague yours.

This is also why I try to hold anything I am a fan of to a higher standard than stuff that I don't care about or am apposed to. I know that the right kind of attitude/behavior will eventually lead to something that I can actually be proud of and it's way better to not try to make excuses for said bad behavior/attitude because you'll just end up with crap in the end that you have to try really hard to convince yourself you like when it could have been better...

Also,

Luke 6:41-42
And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye?
Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

I'm not speaking to just you directly with the verse Jon Neu I don't follow you around and read your posts mate, though I do generally think you're a good dude from what I've seen. Just something to think about.

 

[Endless Fluff]

Thank you for this explanation and illumination. Because a lot of moderation is done in the background and is invisible to users. sometimes the perception is that nothing is being done about bad behavior.

I wonder if it's really a good idea to have this much moderation in the background without acknowledging it. If the "xbox runs hot" thread really has 20 people reply banned, then it should've deserved a mod post. Especially that thread, man, it was a shitshow spanning multiple pages.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

I did have a shower thought earlier lol.

I was like, hmmm. What if, after a certain amount of warnings/actions, a poster got marked on their avatar as a warrior for whatever they where warring for... And also make it so that they lost reaction privileges for as long as they're marked... At least people would know not to take them seriously.

Anyway, just a shower thought while scrubbing my pits.

 

[CatLady]

I wonder if it's really a good idea to have this much moderation in the background without acknowledging it. If the "xbox runs hot" thread really has 20 people reply banned, then it should've deserved a mod post. Especially that thread, man, it was a shitshow spanning multiple pages.

I agree, that's a great point and I think it would help alleviate some of the misconceptions and claims of biased moderation.

OTOH I suspect the Mods are buried these days with the shitshow that is the gaming side and with the impending election, I would imagine Politics is no picnic either, so I can imagine why it might not happen. But, yeah, I think it would greatly improve a lot of people's perceptions, mine included.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I wonder if it's really a good idea to have this much moderation in the background without acknowledging it. If the "xbox runs hot" thread really has 20 people reply banned, then it should've deserved a mod post. Especially that thread, man, it was a shitshow spanning multiple pages.

I know Ive been a dick and still am at times but my intention wasn’t to cause A shit storm lol.
I mostly do what I see the other “side“ does. Neither side is innocent. Both sides make aggravating fanboy posts that cause arguments and Im guilty of joining in. Some people are smart at starting them and disappearing

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Any discussion of sides is mental. There's gaming, observations and preferences to genres.

Sides though? What is this, a high school sports team?

 

[Evangelion Unit-01]

Any discussion of sides is mental. There's gaming, observations and preferences to genres.

Sides though? What is this, a high school sports team?

 

[Rentahamster]

But no, I'm not accusing anyone of some conspiracy, I'm just trying to bring awareness to something that maybe you haven't put that much thought into.

I don't think I can explain it more clear with my english skills. Please, understand.

I think they're aware. You only have that one thread to go on. Without more examples, how can you tell if this is evidence of a pattern or evidence of starting a different approach to all threads of this nature, or just coincidental differences in nodding action?

You really can't. Billo made a decent explanatory post. I think it's more than sufficient to satisfy your inquiry.

 

[notseqi]

ANd what happened to MiyazakihatesKojima Lol?

He asked for a time out I believe.

 

[Happosai]

Bryank 75 shouldnt be banned man. That was soft
ANd what happened to MiyazakihatesKojima Lol?

MHK wrote in the META GAF thread that he was going to take some time off to focus on playing some games or something like that. He's still here, he's still a Gold member, it's was a requested temp ban until November. I start my new job on Monday but I wanted to create an Off-Topic thread to welcome him back anyway. He's doing fine and it's basically his vacation. You'll get to chat with him during the launches and such. Like I said, it's better to start a welcome back thread early or he'll make one himself

Also, kudos to the mods and members in this thread for replying professionally. Anyone who takes the time to write paragraphs of explanations for bans on DF like Bill O'Rights shows a lot of care for the handling of the community. Haven't seen -Arcadia- chiming in yet. Just waiting.

 

[MDSLKTR]

ANd what happened to MiyazakihatesKojima Lol?

The Bethesda news broke him lol

 

[Grand Theft Scratchy]

Bryank 75 shouldnt be banned man. That was soft
ANd what happened to MiyazakihatesKojima Lol?

MHK requested a two-month ban so he could play and review more games.

 

[notseqi]

I did have a shower thought earlier lol.

I was like, hmmm. What if, after a certain amount of warnings/actions, a poster got marked on their avatar as a warrior for whatever they where warring for... And also make it so that they lost reaction privileges for as long as they're marked... At least people would know not to take them seriously.

Anyway, just a shower thought while scrubbing my pits.

Tags are already a reality. I don't have one so I am not sure if they get a notice or PM to celebrate the occasion but everybody with a negative one should be able to discern it's reason and act accordingly.

 

[SlimySnake]

Thank you for this explanation and illumination. Because a lot of moderation is done in the background and is invisible to users. sometimes the perception is that nothing is being done about bad behavior.

I will admit that I thought a certain group of people are allowed to run rampant with all their conspiracy theories and hateful comments regarding Digital Foundry. It is reassuring to know that isn't the case. This also helps to understand that the often the linked post is only the final straw and the meaning of the [+multiple] comment when a warrior finally ends up getting a ban.

Anyway thanks you for taking the time for the detailed explanation and transparency.

All you gotta do is look at the ban page and see how many PS fanboys get banned all the time.

I am not saying that DF doesnt get its share of criticism, I have had to defend them several times myself, but this persecution complex Jon Neu has is just nonsense. You just saw LED Guy got perma'd. Bo, Bryank and Agnostic get banned on a weekly basis at this point. I myself got a day long ban for going all in on XSS outrage. I am just not buying it. Everyone gets treated the same here.

Again, not really disagreeing with you, and I actually with Jon that NXgamer is partial to Sony, but I think DF is partial to MS too. There is nothing wrong with that. Everyone has their biases. As long as their work isnt clouded by bias who cares. I am no fan of Alex but after perpetuating software RT and shadows only RT for over a year, he finally saw some evidence and admitted he was wrong. I cant be mad at that. Richard, john and Alex all trashed the XSX July reveal and apparently thats not good enough for Sony fans. It is for me.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

Tags are already a reality. I don't have one so I am not sure if they get a notice or PM to celebrate the occasion but everybody with a negative one should be able to discern it's reason and act accordingly.

Yeah, I get that, but in my mind it was something more colorful/noticeable, like a stamp or something so it would stick out and people wouldn't accidentally read a post that they weren't in the mood to read/deal with. Tags are great too though.

And the removal of reaction privileges along with it would help with the dogpiling as well.

Anyway, like I said, it was a shower thought, not something I put a lot of thought into.

 

[notseqi]

Yeah, I get that, but in my mind it was something more colorful/noticeable, like a stamp or something so it would stick out and people wouldn't accidentally read a post that they weren't in the mood to read/deal with. Tags are great too though.

And the removal of reaction privileges along with it would help with the dogpiling as well.

Anyway, like I said, it was a shower thought, not something I put a lot of thought into.

If that happens I will be voting against yellow stars.

Nah, it's the same thing I would expect from grown people and what a lot of others have been advocating for, self policing. How would you know that you're acting like a dink if nobody told you?
As with 'no negative reactions' people shouldn't be branded permanently for their past transgressions. If they need to be branded they appear on the ban page.

Also, the work you proposed would fall to mods. With reporting, banning, being active in these kinds of threads I imagine their plate is full. Most are prolly here to troll the shit out of ponybots themselves.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

You take a console warrior's ability to recieve reactions and I bet it tones a lot of them down, as I have a feeling many of them are warring it up specifically for those points.

 

[notseqi]

You take a console warrior's ability to recieve reactions and I bet it tones a lot of them down, as I have a feeling many of them are warring it up specifically for those points.

I am withholding mine to your post.

How does that make you feel?

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

If that happens I will be voting against yellow stars.

Nah, it's the same thing I would expect from grown people and what a lot of others have been advocating for, self policing. How would you know that you're acting like a dink if nobody told you?
As with 'no negative reactions' people shouldn't be branded permanently for their past transgressions. If they need to be branded they appear on the ban page.

Also, the work you proposed would fall to mods. With reporting, banning, being active in these kinds of threads I imagine their plate is full. Most are prolly here to troll the shit out of ponybots themselves.

I didn't say that their reaction privileges should be taken away permanently. I didn't say anything about just no negative reactions either. And I didn't say the stamp thing should be permanent either, didn't even say it should be a stamp. Some of these tags aren't permanent as far as I know. Tags are basically the same thing as what I'm talking about, except that you have to put more effort into looking over and reading a tag rather than something colorful that you'd notice easily. Really low blow to relate what I'm talking about to yellow stars breh, I'm really just trying to have a respectful conversation and be open minded. Unless you just meant that as a joke. Sorry if that's the case.

EDIT: Perhaps it could even be colored text on their tags...

You take a console warrior's ability to recieve reactions and I bet it tones a lot of them down, as I have a feeling many of them are warring it up specifically for those points.

Exactly. But I've also seen them dogpile with the laughing one as well. Anyway, I think a privilege should be a privilege. Something that you can lose and gain back.

 

[notseqi]

I didn't say that their reaction privileges should be taken away permanently. I didn't say anything about just no negative reactions either. And I didn't say the stamp thing should be permanent either, didn't even say it should be a stamp. Some of these tags aren't permanent as far as I know. Tags are basically the same thing as what I'm talking about, except that you have to put more effort into looking over and reading a tag rather than something colorful that you'd notice easily. Really low blow to relate what I'm talking about to yellow stars breh, I'm really just trying to have a respectful conversation and be open minded. Unless you just meant that as a joke. Sorry if that's the case.

It's a joke, mate.
I was picking up on something a mod said way earlier in this thread about policing people, you might have not read that. They don't want to brand people in a certain way, I re-introduced that old post with a bad joke.

I firmly believe that we have enough tools on our hand to make this a forum for civil discussion. My hope is that the boiling blood will abate once the consoles are out. It's gotten crazier by the day.

 

[M1chl]

You take a console warrior's ability to recieve reactions and I bet it tones a lot of them down, as I have a feeling many of them are warring it up specifically for those points.

That sounds really cruel, I like it. That's probably worse than ban, because how many times you get quoted.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

That sounds really cruel, I like it. That's probably worse than ban, because how many times you get quoted.

A fate worse than death for MHK

 

[bender]

Jon Neu has the sexiest avatar on gaf. Please don't ban him.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Bender must have me on ignore

 

[bender]

I'm too old to use all these new fangled forum functions.

 

[nush]

Bender must have me on ignore

Reported: Retro British homophobia!

 

[Kagey K]

Reported: Retro British homophobia!

Ok I barely noticed the hair on the old avatar, but this new one is dickish.

I blew at the screen to try to remove it.

 

[Kagey K]

You take a console warrior's ability to recieve reactions and I bet it tones a lot of them down, as I have a feeling many of them are warring it up specifically for those points.

I volunteer.

Reactions mean literally nothing in the grand scheme, and I don’t give a fuck about my points or my score or my ratio.


Take away people’s ability to react to me, and they might have to engage me instead. Funny how that could work.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

It's time to take the lessons of National Socialism that made sense in Hitler's initial speeches and apply that to a global competitive market.

That came out of nowhere.

Black

I mean when you see black characters in videogames. They aren't real people, and according to laws

www.neogaf.com

The fuck lol. What.

 

[notseqi]

That came out of nowhere.

Black

I mean when you see black characters in videogames. They aren't real people, and according to laws

www.neogaf.com

The fuck lol. What.

GOTTEM
While creating that thread too, ehehe.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

TheSadRanger finally let the mask slip, I see. I remember his 'what killed rock music' thread. It was obvious he was dying to say 'black people'.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I feel like the avatar has seized control of the user here.

If anyone here is Jewish or black, it’s best you cover your ears.

Another user lost to a Mel Gibson avatar.

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Another user lost to a Mel Gibson avatar.

Someone has to break the curse.

 

[Soapy Wooder]

Another user lost to a Mel Gibson avatar.

Next one I see will get the perm

 

[Kagey K]

Next one I see will get the perm

Like this?

 

[notseqi]

Next one I see will get the perm

♪It was a perm♪
♪it was a monster perm♪
♪it was his graveyard turn♪

 

[Xaero Gravity]

Next one I see will get the perm

Tell Nymphae I'm sorry

 

[The Mad Draklor]

Some of the recents bans, what the fuck happened? Lol.

 

[Evangelion Unit-01]

Wow...eventful morning.

 

[notseqi]

Some of the recents bans, what the fuck happened? Lol.

Glitch in the Matrix.

 

[Happosai]

Looks like all this stuff usually goes down in the middle of the night when I'm not signed on. So, aside from a few console warriors bans last night it would appear that two Klan members got banned (after taking off their Halloween masks) and one idiot defending REEEEE who appeared to have been mostly dormant since 2010. Sorry for the run-off sentence.

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

What the hell did I miss this morning?!