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Reiko

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KamenSenshi said:
He's a half saiyan who doesn't have the drive or determination that others possess due to the fact that he's a hybrid, or he was just not that into fighting/world saving. His "training" with Piccolo was basically just a easy day for kid Goku, camping in the wilderness. When they did start actual fight work sure he showed some skill, he's Goku's son. Doesn't change the fact that when it comes down to it, in every situation when he could have done something he either ran or was frozen with fear. For all the mystic power up did to he power level all it took to beat him was to get in a few blows then call him out for being pathetic.
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Don't forget... Gohan was the first kid to stand up to Freeza... And live.
 
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Effect

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IceCold said:
Is Dragon Ball Z Kai better than Dragon Ball Z? I feel like re-watching the series for nostalgia reasons.
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Yes and no. A lot of the filler is cut out but the down side to that is some of the filler actually made a good number of scenes and episodes actually better in the end. It allowed for tension building and more character interaction. A lot of it should have been cut, the long power ups but some of it should have been kept it. It feels choppy at times as well do to where and how they decided to cut things. To make this streamlining work well they needed to have at least some new animation to make transitions a LOT better in places. They don't though. At least I don't think it has new animation outside of the opening. So if you watch it it's going to feel off in places. At least it did for me. Sometimes it was just a feeling when watching and other times I clearly remembered things from the original version and would have edited things differently if given the chance.

I'd rather watch the original animation and just fast forward in the end.
 
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TacticalFox88

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The Kai dub would be utter perfection with Bruce Faulconer's music. Holy fuck, that jazz and band music sometimes kill entire episodes that would otherwise be fantastic.
 
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Newblade

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Ezalc said:
It's time, motherfuckers!

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Take a look at this, I found it to be more interesting than Dragon Ball AF.

http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-0.html
 
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Mr. Fix

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TacticalFox88 said:
The Kai dub would be utter perfection with Bruce Faulconer's music. Holy fuck, that jazz and band music sometimes kill entire episodes that would otherwise be fantastic.
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I remember only watching a few episodes of Kai. Did they remove all gut/face punches? I don't remember seeing any of those.
 
KamenSenshi

KamenSenshi

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Reiko said:
Don't forget... Gohan was the first kid to stand up to Freeza... And live.
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This is true, and the best canon thing he's ever done. Seeing him get in a couple good blows before Goku entered the fight was awesome for his character. Showed that you don't get him angry unless you can last his temper tantrum.
 
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Kokonoe

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KamenSenshi said:
Gotta agree with the dislike of Gohan and wanting Goku back. Gohan had too many free powerups throughout the series while everyone else worked for it. I guess its the fact that with all the training its like the 80's(which 8 liked) for everyone but Gohan who is just supposed to be strong because, then he gets a power unlock on Namek and then mystic. I know part of it is the whole hybrid thing but he was such a pathetic waste, he should be the son of Krillin and Launch. Even if Gohan were more powerful, he still wouldn't measure up to the fighter Tien was, much less Goku.
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Gohan never really had a "free power up" besides from Guru which Krillin also obtained. Goku drank some water in the original Dragonball that did essentially the same thing. As I've stated before, Mystic Gohan and the entire Buu saga is written horribly. The power up that was suppose to be "Mystic" was Super Saiyan 2.

KamenSenshi said:
He's a half saiyan who doesn't have the drive or determination that others possess due to the fact that he's a hybrid, or he was just not that into fighting/world saving. His "training" with Piccolo was basically just a easy day for kid Goku, camping in the wilderness. When they did start actual fight work sure he showed some skill, he's Goku's son. Doesn't change the fact that when it comes down to it, in every situation when he could have done something he either ran or was frozen with fear. For all the mystic power up did to his power level all it took for Buu to beat him was to get in a few blows then call him out for being pathetic. Left him cowering beside a cliff hiding. I will agree with you that it would have made sense to try and put him as the next protector of earth, but it wouldn't work.
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His drive is to protect others, not to defend himself(as seen when he gets angry and his power unlocks). Goku was raised by Grandpa Gohan essentially, but he just wasn't in the middle of nowhere exactly, Gohan was essentially in a desert with Piccolo. Of course that doesn't take much away, but Gohan was born sheltered and placed in the wilderness, it's a lot different. And training with Piccolo at his age is nothing Goku did at his age.

Because he was a child, and was smarter than Goku. Not everyone is a "Goku", completely fearless. And as I said before, the Mystic and Buu saga was written poorly. And it would've worked, Cell saga ended it perfectly for it too.
 
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Effect

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I never liked the "Mystic" form for Gohan. Depowering him by saying he wasn't training or didn't have the drive after Cell was fine. Vegeta and Goku were clearly still training after that. I would have rather they fell back on Gohan getting "angry". As a teen/adult he'd have more self control but what Buu was doing should have driven him over the edge with rage. Rage that would have been different from child rage. That would have completely justified a power up, if only during the middle of the fight. Would have rathered they had set that up instead of what they gave us.
 
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Kokonoe

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I think the entire Buu saga needs a rewrite. They can incorporate Buu and all the fights and story much better if they took more time with it. I wouldn't write Gotenks if it were up to me, though.
 
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Kokonoe

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I hope funimation recontinues the cancelled work on the original funi DBZ blu-ray they were working on. It'd be nice to have HD DBZ with the Faulconer OST and original Gohan voice.

I believe Android 18s voice changed in Kai as well if I recall correctly.
 
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Reiko

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Effect said:
What they aired on Nick was most likely edited. I would think the dvds are uncut but I've never seen them.
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The footage I saw was from the Japanese version. Before the English version was announced.

In the original manga there was no gore. So Toei edited it to make it more accurate.
 
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BHZ Mayor

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Special Beam Cannon (Makakapotamus) blood is removed completely in all versions. Also, I will not tolerate the continuous Gohan hate in this thread.
 
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Effect

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Wow. I'm not sure how I feel about that. It does go back to what I said before. Yes and no to Kai being better.
 
KamenSenshi

KamenSenshi

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Kokonoe said:
As I've said
His drive is to protect others, not to defend himself. And training with Piccolo at his age is nothing Goku did at his age.

Because Goku was already out taking car of an army and fighting in tournaments, so he wouldn't need a crash course in fighting/survival. Lot of good trying to defend others does when you can't do anything and get eaten by a taffy monster.

And as I said before, the Mystic and Buu saga was written poorly. And it would've worked, Cell saga ended it perfectly for it too.
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I do agree that if they absolutely needed to make Gohan the next thing that that was the correct time, but from what we know of him even before the Cell arc he would probably not keep up his training and if a situation came up they'd need Goku back. Even as just an inspirational ghost.

Effect said:
I would have rather they fell back on Gohan getting "angry". As a teen/adult he'd have more self control but what Buu was doing should have driven him over the edge with rage. Rage that would have been different from child rage. That would have completely justified a power up, if only during the middle of the fight. Would have rathered they had set that up instead of what they gave us.
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This would have worked a lot better, especially if we take out silly Buu and only have killer Kid Buu.
 
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MadSkillzBahamut

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Vyktal said:
Regarding the movie, am I the only one praying it has nothing to do with young Goten and Trunks?

These are probably my least favourite characters in the entire series.
- Little arrogant prodigy kids
- More bloody saiyans!
- Further devalue super saiyans
- Exponentially stronger than everyone when they were the same age for no plausible reason
- Take screen time away from better characters

They just represent everything rubbish about DB after the Frieza/Cell saga.
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He gave a reason! Chichi pushed over Goten and so obviously he had a life changing emotional mountain he had to overcome within himself from there and like Trunks was like, feisty and shit.

I always thought it was because Goku/Vegeta banged their wives while Super'd, I mean, wouldn't you? I would.
 
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Kagari

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shadyspace said:
Goku was too care free for me to ever be able to relate to. Gohan as a kid with the weight of the world on his shoulders, struggling to live up to his father's legacy circa Cell Saga was the best character the show ever had.
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My thoughts exactly.

Wait, so Funimation is no longer doing those planned blu-ray releases?
 
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Kokonoe

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Kagari said:
My thoughts exactly.

Wait, so Funimation is no longer doing those planned blu-ray releases?
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They got cancelled a few months back because it was too expensive or something. They cancelled by saying something like "we want to come back to this when there's a cheaper way". If I recall it was pretty expensive, so I understand why they stopped.

I think one set was released.
 
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Kagari

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Kokonoe said:
They got cancelled a few months back because it was too expensive or something. They cancelled by saying something like "we want to come back to this when there's a cheaper way". If I recall it was pretty expensive, so I understand why they stopped.

I think one set was released.
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Maybe they're waiting for Toei to do it themselves then.
 
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jaxword

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Vice said:
From what I've read Toriyama wanted Gohan to be the main character, and keep Goku dead, but his editors kept pressuring him into having Goku be the hero. That explains why they set up so much stuff for Gohan only to have it be for nothing. You can see through everything after the Frieza fight that Gohan was being setup to be the main protagonist pretty clearly but meddling kept that from happening.
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No, not quite.

He had an editor named Yuu Kondou for the Saiyan-Cell years.

Then Fuyuto Takeda took over.

Read this interview:

http://www.kanzentai.com/intended_end.php?id=06

It seems that Yuu was much harsher on Toriyama's not-so-good ideas.

A good theory would be that Fuyuto was too lenient or didn't "get" how to edit a teenage character.

Toriyama himself said he decided to shift away from Gohan because he didn't know how to write him as the hero. Now, if he was pressured to this, sure, that's possible, it may well be the fans who did so, but blaming his editorS isn't quite right since he had only one at that point.
 
RawkHawk2010

RawkHawk2010

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Kai is fundamentally flawed. The filler may be bad at times, but every episode of Dragon Ball Z is still animated with it in mind. It's not just something you can cut out and still have everything flow seamlessly.

And besides, with Kai you lose the episode with Goku and Piccolo acquiring their driver's licenses. ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES EVER.
 
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Aaron Strife

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I'm not gonna lie, I don't really get all the faulconer lovin' on GAF.

Some of his heavier pieces are really good (Gohan's anger, Vegeta's theme) but most of his incidental bgm is kind of shitty and just there to plug in silence.
 
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Kokonoe

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RawkHawk2010 said:
Kai is fundamentally flawed. The filler may be bad at times, but every episode of Dragon Ball Z is still animated with it in mind. It's not just something you can cut out and still have everything flow seamlessly.

And besides, with Kai you lose the episode with Goku and Piccolo acquiring their driver's licenses. ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES EVER.
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Absolutely. As far as filler goes, DBZ does it well, but filler is filler in the end. At least DBZ tries to make it entertaining.
 
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Takao

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MEGATONNE THE MOVIE IS CANON

This year's 33rd issue of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine revealed on Saturday that the upcoming Dragon Ball film will be set betweeen the 517th and 518th installments of Akira Toriyama's original manga. Specifically, it is set during the "lost decade" of story time after the end of the battle with Majin Buu. Kuririn, Piccolo, Vegeta, and other familar characters will appear in the film. The film is not a spinoff, but a story in the official history of Dragon Ball.

Akira Toriyama has been deeply involved in the film's production from the early screenwriting stages. Masahiro Hosoda (Dragon Ball Z episode director, Nangoku Shounen Papuwa-kun) is directing at Toei off a script by Yūsuke Watanabe (live-action 20th Century Boys trilogy, Gantz, Bloody Monday, Future Diary).
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Anime News Network
 
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Kokonoe

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Aww, that means the Buu saga is canon.

Joking aside, I mean it really doesn't do much for me as the story already ruined itself with Buu and GT, although it is pretty interesting that they're doing that.
Of course, it won't stop me from enjoying this.
 
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B_Rik_Schitthaus

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RawkHawk2010 said:
Kai is fundamentally flawed. The filler may be bad at times, but every episode of Dragon Ball Z is still animated with it in mind. It's not just something you can cut out and still have everything flow seamlessly.

And besides, with Kai you lose the episode with Goku and Piccolo acquiring their driver's licenses. ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES EVER.
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And the stuff with Gohan in high school (the best thing in the entire DB franchise).
 
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A Pretty Panda

fuckin' called it, man
Gohan in HS wasn't filler either. Well at least the idea of it, they might have added to it to make it longer or something.

People shouldn't hate it just because the natural evolution of Gohan's behavior is to turn into the wimp that he's always been, save one time.

And I kind of liked it, it's in the same vain of the Goku driving episode. It has the characters interacting with normal people which rarely happens.
 
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