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[Astral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KPybLK-yMs

This beanstalk is Gohan, formerly the strongest person in the universe. Stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. Toriyama made it clear that Goten and Trunks neglected their training after the Boo Saga, so they didn't get any stronger as well.

Goku and Vegeta are shown to train with Whis in the trailers. They are the ones with God Ki. Why yes, I probably would have taken that bet. Of course there could have been an insane plot twist and I'd lost my hypothetical house, but it was pretty clear from the beginning that everyone but Goku and Vegeta were degraded to mook battles.

Wow. Why the fuck is he so skinny?

 

[Sparkedglory]

Well, these look a lot better than most Toriyama designs for enemies.

No

 

[spindashing]

Wow. Why the fuck is he so skinny?

Gohan needs to settle on one hairstyle, god damn.

Goten's probably different too.

 

[OnPoint]

These are fanmade, right?

 

[Jaeger]

These are fanmade, right?

Of course.

 

[andymcc]

No

You're engaging the guy that thinks GT is an amazing series brah

 

[Ishida]

No

Yes.

See? I can do that, too.

You're engaging the guy that thinks GT is an amazing series brah

 

[Alienous]

Wow. Why the fuck is he so skinny?

Because he doesn't even lift any more.

If Gohan had a spirit animal it would be Yamcha.

 

[OnPoint]

Because he doesn't even lift any more.

If Gohan had a paternity test, the results would be Yamcha.

Ftfy

 

[Jaeger]

Because he doesn't even lift any more.

If Gohan had a spirit animal it would be Yamcha.

We argue a lot and then you say stuff like that and make me laugh so loud in my office my tarantula jump.

 

[andymcc]

Because he doesn't even lift any more.

If Gohan had a spirit animal it would be Yamcha.

Gohan is in my avatar after all.

Spoiler

Thanks Mike Myers

 

[Zoolader]

Whoa this is crazy. I'm going to have to finish the Buu saga I guess.

 

[Jaeger]

Whoa this is crazy. I'm going to have to finish the Buu saga I guess.

You've had almost 20 years, tho!

 

[Zoolader]

You've had almost 20 years, tho!

Yeah well I was tired of waiting for Funimation (I think) to trickle out episodes in America and then I started high school where it was no longer cool to watch anime. It was also the Buu saga... Now with a new series coming out which has my interest, I feel like I have to finish the old ones.

 

[Ultra Numb]

If Toriyama wants to keep Gohan on the sidelines as a book-nerd then keep him there. Don't just bring him out on the frontlines to get jobbed and shame him further and then explain it with "he doesn't train!"

Wow. Why the fuck is he so skinny?

True.

Gohan after Cell didn't or hardly trained for seven years and pretty much looked the same from a muscle stand point.

 

[Welfare]

True.

Gohan after Cell didn't or hardly trained for seven years and pretty much looked the same from a muscle stand point.

He became a family man in the DB world.

 

[Ultra Numb]

He became a family man in the DB world.

Which is a nice change from Goku and Vegetas obsession with fighting. Now if Toriyama could only think of something to make Gohan useful via his new strengths [he's supposed to be smart] - Something along the lines of the Bulma's Blutzwave from GT except not as dumb.

 

[Blader]

Toriyama is also just drawing characters skinnier in general now.

 

[A-V-B]

Dragonball simply should've ended after Cell.

 

[The Silver]

Toriyama is also just drawing characters skinnier in general now.

Well there's skinny and then there's no muscle at all, smh Gohan.

 

[Amentallica]

Well there's skinny and then there's no muscle at all, smh Gohan.

****, Gohan.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Ugh, Dragonball should have stayed in the 80s and 90s. This "revival" thing just gets sadder with every thing that comes out where you know its just more milking with Toriyama's weird decisions for the franchise.

I have like 4 different Dragonball/Z posters hung up in my room from back in the day, but this kind of thing is just dumb.

Continue styling on Gohan's loser status, continue bringing out dumbass transformations on top of the transformations we already had(while continuing to neglect those) and bringing back bad guys that should have just stayed dead, continue bringing out more powerful enemies while keeping the scale of the battles the same because you don't know how to write a fight that won't end with the planet being blown up with a finger flick.

Man i feel old and cynical

 

[andymcc]

Ugh, Dragonball should have stayed in the 80s and 90s. This "revival" thing just gets sadder with every thing that comes out where you know its just more milking with Toriyama's weird decisions for the franchise.

I have like 4 different Dragonball/Z posters hung up in my room from back in the day, but this kind of thing is just dumb.

Continue styling on Gohan's loser status, continue bringing out dumbass transformations on top of the transformations we already had(while continuing to neglect those) and bringing back bad guys that should have just stayed dead, continue bringing out more powerful enemies while keeping the scale of the battles the same because you don't know how to write a fight that won't end with the planet being blown up with a finger flick.

Man i feel old and cynical

Dragon Ball is the most popular and financially viable Japanese animated product from the 80s/90s and it's sort of surprising this level of revival didn't occur sooner.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Dragon Ball is the most popular and financially viable Japanese animated product from the 80s/90s and it's sort of surprising this level of revival didn't occur sooner.

Sure, its popular, doesn't make it any better how the actual quality of these new efforts have been. Its a shame. Its done specifically because the brand has a lot of staying power, not because of any creative aspirations Akira Toriyama may have still had at any point.

And you can definitely tell.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

So the other multiverse gods haven't been shown yet, correct?

 

[andymcc]

Sure, its popular, doesn't make it any better how the actual quality of these new efforts have been. Its a shame. Its done specifically because the brand has a lot of staying power, not because of any creative aspirations Akira Toriyama may have still had at any point.

And you can definitely tell.

I think Battle of the Gods is pretty great.

 

[zulux21]

Dragon Ball is the most popular and financially viable Japanese animated product from the 80s/90s and it's sort of surprising this level of revival didn't occur sooner.

In the US.
One piece is technically from the 90s as well and that has long surpassed dragonball in sales.

but your point still stands, it's surprising it took so long for a revival. As long as the series is remotely on par with the buu saga it should do well. It is weird however that they didn't announce this and start releasing it as a manga first though, though since it's not based off a manga hopefully the pacing will be good and there won't be any real filler (aka it will feel more like kai)

Sure, its popular, doesn't make it any better how the actual quality of these new efforts have been. Its a shame. Its done specifically because the brand has a lot of staying power, not because of any creative aspirations Akira Toriyama may have still had at any point.

And you can definitely tell.

battle of the gods was easily the best dbz movie I have seen (not that most of the others set the bar very high lol), and showed that the dbz universe can still handle it not being about fights all the time. to me it was a great revival and gives me lots of hope for the new series.

beyond that, during the designing of the dragon ball mmo toriyama was quoted a few times that working with them had really made him want to go back and revist the DB universe. it's quite possible he had been working on outlining a new db series since back then.

 

[Apath]

I think Battle of the Gods is pretty great.

I agree. It's also the only watchable DB movie.

 

[Astral Dog]

Seriously, that Gohan makes GT Gohan look good.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Sure, its popular, doesn't make it any better how the actual quality of these new efforts have been. Its a shame. Its done specifically because the brand has a lot of staying power, not because of any creative aspirations Akira Toriyama may have still had at any point.

And you can definitely tell.

The newest content has been really good though.

 

[NastyBook]

Toriyama is also just drawing characters skinnier in general now.

I've dubbed that The George Morikawa Standard.

 

[Kyleripman]

battle of the gods was easily the best dbz movie I have seen (not that most of the others set the bar very high lol), and showed that the dbz universe can still handle it not being about fights all the time. to me it was a great revival and gives me lots of hope for the new series.

Agree 100%. If the series can maintain that level of quality we'll be just fine.

 

[Oblivion]

Because bad information is bad information. This is precisely how rumors get started, spread, get used as a reference back to themselves, etc. See: continued battle against AF, Hoshi, etc.

There was absolutely, 100%, positively no announcement of a new series being created before April 28 when Dragon Ball Super was unveiled. There was no press conference in conjunction with Battle of Gods, Toriyama didn't say anything, there was no commitment to a 100-episode series... all total B.S.

I'm sorry that you were misinformed on this subject, but for people like myself, it's incredibly important that this kind of information is well-documented. I can't speak for hwateber, but I do take issue with off-hand remarks and indignation about this kind of stuff, because... well... this is what I do.

Except that:

1) I didn't spread such false information.
2) I wasn't misinformed. I never claimed what I read was an official confirmation. I just assumed that it was a given by that point.

 

[Merc_]

Sure, its popular, doesn't make it any better how the actual quality of these new efforts have been. Its a shame. Its done specifically because the brand has a lot of staying power, not because of any creative aspirations Akira Toriyama may have still had at any point.

And you can definitely tell.

Battle of Gods is good. Sorry.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Know these are fake, but introducing a bunch of other Gods based on the Chinese Zodiac would be a cool idea...

I want more cool Toriyama-aliens over plain-old human looking dudes overall.

 

[andymcc]

In the US.
One piece is technically from the 90s as well and that has long surpassed dragonball in sales.

but your point still stands, it's surprising it took so long for a revival. As long as the series is remotely on par with the buu saga it should do well. It is weird however that they didn't announce this and start releasing it as a manga first though, though since it's not based off a manga hopefully the pacing will be good and there won't be any real filler (aka it will feel more like kai)

it's passed Dragon Ball in sales because it has more volumes/ran longer. Dragon Ball still has greater sales per volume.

 

[Sami+]

Well, these look a lot better than most Toriyama designs for enemies.

wtf

how

Beerus is the best looking one there by a pretty huge margin

 

[CrocMother]

Know these are fake, but introducing a bunch of other Gods based on the Chinese Zodiac would be a cool idea...

I want more cool Toriyama-aliens over plain-old human looking dudes overall.

What the series needs is better concepts of villains, not designs.

Frieza was like the fascist dictator controlling the universe. Cell/Androids were the "science gone wrong" type of villains, not too unlike the villain for the new avengers movie.

Buu was like...? Some weird alien that absorbed the god of the southern part of the galaxy and was like bubblegum and...huh? The concept is too convoluted.

Give me a good tropish villain set inside the DB universe with Toriyama involved and I'm sure it will be good. However, I'm sure they will bring more Kai crap, add and alter a bunch of characters to the point of being unrelatable and have more "god of destruction attends bulma's birthday party" type scenes

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Know these are fake, but introducing a bunch of other Gods based on the Chinese Zodiac would be a cool idea...

I want more cool Toriyama-aliens over plain-old human looking dudes overall.

Ooh, is this based on the Zodiac? It's not 100% I guess because Beerus is a cat and not part of the Chinese Zodiac, right?

 

[delSai]

I like some of 'em :$
I'm excited for this new series! Haven't watched anything DB related in forever, looking forward to this.

 

[Sandfox]

What the series needs is better concepts of villains, not designs.

Frieza was like the fascist dictator controlling the universe. Cell/Androids were the "science gone wrong" type of villains, not too unlike the villain for the new avengers movie.

Buu was like...? Some weird alien that absorbed the god of the southern part of the galaxy and was like bubblegum and...huh? The concept is too convoluted.

Give me a good tropish villain set inside the DB universe with Toriyama involved and I'm sure it will be good. However, I'm sure they will bring more Kai crap, add and alter a bunch of characters to the point of being unrelatable and have more "god of destruction attends bulma's birthday party" type scenes

Buu was a djinn.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Ooh, is this based on the Zodiac? It's not 100% I guess because Beerus is a cat and not part of the Chinese Zodiac, right?

Pretty sure...

Dragon, Rat, Pig, Ox, Snake, Beerus, Goat, Monkey, Dog, Rooster, Rabbit, and Horse.

There's no tiger, so I guess the intent was for Beerus to fulfill that role since he's cat-like.

Actually, there is a Cat in Chinese Zodiac lore, but it lost its spot to the Rat.

 

[zulux21]

it's passed Dragon Ball in sales because it has more volumes/ran longer. Dragon Ball still has greater sales per volume.

sales per volume is true, but DB has the edge in the fact that it came out much earlier.
also One Piece keeps setting record first print runs, and record monthly sales. (but those weren't tracked when DB was coming out)

beyond that if we look at this data taken from here


we see db has 230 million sales over 42 volumes or 5.11 mil per volume (and is off the market for the most part, though I wouldn't be surprised if it came back this summer)
one piece has 270 over 68 or 3.97 which supports what you said. If we however look at the one piece numbers and look at the current numbers taken from here
we see one piece is at 345 mil at 77 volumes or 4.48 mil per volume which while overall is still lower than db, is still a massive gain, and if we subtract the number of volumes from sales we get that with the release of 9 new volumes one piece did 75 mil or 8.33 mil per volume since then (obviously some of those sales would be for older volumes but most would be for the newer volumes which wouldn't be surprising given they have had a number of times that the first print runs have been 3.5+miland have sold out right away) which is quite a bit higher than the db sales per volume.

the scary thing about one piece is despite how long it has been going on, it hasn't seemed to reach its peak yet.

I do wish I could find actual sales numbers of the more recent volumes of one piece and of db and what not but I can't seem to find any :/

though of course no matter how successful one piece is, it will never truly surpass DB because it wouldn't exist without DB

 

[kewlmyc]

I always assumed Whis was a God as well.

 

[Kazuhira]

damn,gohan looks worse than ever.

 

[KHlover]

wtf

how

Beerus is the best looking one there by a pretty huge margin

lol yeah.

Worst designs from left to right:

Lazy ripoff of the Devil

Totally-not-a-Moblin

Devil Part Deux

Totally-not-a-SSJ4-ripoff//Look-Sun-Wukong-so-clever

Furry bait

We-totally-forgot-that-character-already-existed

 

[RangerBAD]

Wow. Why the fuck is he so skinny?

Chichi is very proud. Gohan became the weakling she wanted.

 

[NeonZ]

Seriously, that Gohan makes GT Gohan look good.

Body proportions were rather weird in GT for anyone besides the SSJ4...

In a face shot RoF Gohan doesn't look bad.

 

[Chamber]

Continue styling on Gohan's loser status, continue bringing out dumbass transformations on top of the transformations we already had(while continuing to neglect those) and bringing back bad guys that should have just stayed dead, continue bringing out more powerful enemies while keeping the scale of the battles the same because you don't know how to write a fight that won't end with the planet being blown up with a finger flick.

Man i feel old and cynical

You worded this better than I could. All reasons why I can't get excited for a new DB series even though there's certainly a part of me that wants to.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I think it's safe to assume Gohan's muscles grow when he goes SSJ. But he has long tracksuit sleeves when he transforms so... (did they do that on purpose JUST so we wouldn't see them? -_-' )