Deadly Joker
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Absolutely. An actual Goku vs non-majin Vegeta fight with an actual finish is needed badly.
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Absolutely. An actual Goku vs non-majin Vegeta fight with an actual finish is needed badly.
Yes, definitely. Need moreover tournaments
ArchedThunder
Banned
Cool! They need to start showing us stuff.
ArchedThunder
Banned
The latest we'll see our first stuff will be about the middle of the month with V-Jump, if we're lucky we might get something sooner, maybe in Weekly Jump or online.
We'll probably just get some jump news and previews at the end of Kai episodes in June.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
29th World Martial Arts Tournament. Goku and Uub return to put Uub's training into practice. Pan is also among the contestants. Make it happen!
Host Samurai
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Been rewatching Z and my opinions of Cell remain the same. Worst of all the villains. He was cool in his imperfect form, but I just found him completely boring in his perfect form.
-No original moves
-Weak in power (A 1/2 dead one armed SSJ 2 Gohan evaporated him) lol at people saying he can beat Brolly. Keep dreaming
-Cell Games? Really? Fat Buu just demolishes cities because he feels like it and Frieza did what he wanted. Those two villains actually got shit done. I never felt that Cell was a threat.
-No original moves
-Weak in power (A 1/2 dead one armed SSJ 2 Gohan evaporated him) lol at people saying he can beat Brolly. Keep dreaming
-Cell Games? Really? Fat Buu just demolishes cities because he feels like it and Frieza did what he wanted. Those two villains actually got shit done. I never felt that Cell was a threat.
You completely missed the point of Cell.
Him having no original moves is what makes him interesting. He is an amalgamation of all the greatest warriors up until that point.
How he is weak in power? He's the only one to completely destroy the main protagonist.
He was designed to be the perfect warrior. Him creating the Cell games is completely in-character. He wants to see if anyone can challenge his claim to the perfect warrior. Frieza was interested in taking over stuff and Buu was only interested in destroying stuff. I don't see how you can criticise any of the 3 major villains for having different motives. That's what makes good character design.
Finally, when Cell is about to lose, he decides to blow himself up which would've destroyed the entire Earth...
IAmRandom31
Banned
Unlike Buu / Frieza Cell was born via the cells of the fighters. So he had Vegeta's arrogance and Goku's lust for battle.
Him wanting a tournament to prove he is the best isn't shocking. It is what Goku would likely do if he was evil and wanted to kill off any legitimate threats before blowing the planet up, which Cell would of done if he would of won.
Dunno about Broly though. Who knows. Cell is not weak in power though, where do you get that? SSJ2 ANNIHILATES even SSJ Ascended, the difference in power is extraordinary. So much so that Gohan really isn't even threatened by Cell whatsoever. But, Cell is able to regenerate himself even from a single Cell so even if he blows himself up he will eventually heal.
The only thing i didn't like about the Cell fight was when Cell came back much more powerful and presumably a match for SSJ2, Gohan gets hurt right away helping someone out. I would of liked to see them 2 go toe to toe for awhile before the climax.
NeonZ
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Not Cell proper, but they easily could pull a Piccolo Jr. with one of the Cell Jrs. They were just torn apart by Gohan's kicks and punches in the manga, there was no cloud of smoke after Gohan beat them. So, they could make of one the Cell Jrs turn out to be alive and regenerate, since they're supposed to have Cell's abilities. Now add a 12 years timeskip at least (assuming Super takes place at least after RoF) and you'll have a blue Cell color swap wandering around.
I don't see it happening though, considering the lack of references to Cell and the Red Ribbon in all this new DB material. There just seems to be no interest.
You could just say that Cell spawned a Cell Jr. a few days before the tournament when no one was around.
As far as what the hell he would have been doing all that time, Toriyama would certainly have some wacky ideas.
Anyway, whatever happens with this show I'm just hoping for a good time. I'd rather he wait a while before things get serious.
As far as what the hell he would have been doing all that time, Toriyama would certainly have some wacky ideas.
Anyway, whatever happens with this show I'm just hoping for a good time. I'd rather he wait a while before things get serious.
I would be okay with this. Cell pulling a King Piccolo in essence.
I'd also prefer the series not immediately jump into extended fight after extended fight, and have some fun with the characters.
... Of course I'm one of the ones who prefers Dragon Ball to DBZ.
KidA Seven
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Broly's not even real.
Host Samurai
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Dr Gero was the true evil and big bad of te Cell Saga. I wish he was kept around a bit longer. I found Gero, Babidi and Frieza to be the most evil of evil in the entire series.
One villain I wouldn't mind being explored more is Dabura. He was so evil that he was rejected from going to HELL and was placed in Heaven. Would love to see this character more.
One villain I wouldn't mind being explored more is Dabura. He was so evil that he was rejected from going to HELL and was placed in Heaven. Would love to see this character more.
NeonZ
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Gero was originally intended to be the "final villain" of the Android Saga, but Toriyama's editor at the time pushed him to introduce "cooler" bad guys, leading to the three androids, and, after he also was unsatisfied with them, Cell.
Host Samurai
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I've heard about this and it sounds interesting. If that were the case if bet that originally #20 would not have been Dr Gero? I bet originally #16 would have been bad too. I wonder about his original storyboards
That editor sounds like a cool guy, cells my favourite villain
Winterfang
Banned
Did they said how much time happened between the last movie and the new series? Is Goten and Trunks teenagers?
gamerguy2002
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Yeah never count on this, CN is not at all interested in getting Toonami back and the demographic for Toonami has changed.
CN is becoming a trash hole anyways, rather not subjugate Toonami to current CN.
I'm really hoping Vegeta plays some prominent roles, not getting thrown to the wayside.
Winterfang
Banned
So who is stronger Whis or Vegito?
Whis is without a doubt the stronger character we seen so far, but Vegito has the most potential
Whis is without a doubt the stronger character we seen so far, but Vegito has the most potential
So how many episodes will Kai end up running? Is less than half of the original series?
Oh he will, someone needs to job to show how powerful the next threat is. Though that may be Beerus, but Vegeta will definitely be in line.
Oh he will, someone needs to job to show how powerful the next threat is. Though that may be Beerus, but Vegeta will definitely be in line.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
They should have kept Dr Gero alive and around for the Cell part of the saga. I don't think Cell would straight up accept orders from Gero, but I think he would at least respect him as his "father" and would keep him alive because he has no reason to kill him. Their interactions could have been interesting. The ultimate warrior and the ultimate brain.
Had no idea Cell was so unpopular. He was always my favorite Z villain and the Cell Games my favorite arc.
Honestly, I've never really liked Frieza, but maybe because his arc was so incredibly long and drawn out. Plus, the dub during that time was really bad and only got markedly better when the Android saga started.
Honestly, I've never really liked Frieza, but maybe because his arc was so incredibly long and drawn out. Plus, the dub during that time was really bad and only got markedly better when the Android saga started.
So who is stronger Whis or Vegito?
Whis is without a doubt the stronger character we seen so far, but Vegito has the most potential
I like how Whis is apparently the strongest character, but is completely neutral.
Aaron Strife
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I don't think Cell is unpopular at all. A lot of people are of the opinion that the series should have ended with him.
I personally like Freeza more. I prefer fop-ish villains, and the entire Z series builds up to him from the start. It's a very natural progression. Cell does tie back to the Red Ribbon Army, although none of the characters in that arc were actually introduced in Dragon Ball (except for Tao Paipai who appears like twice) making it feel less like the culmination of a journey.
However the Cell arc is fucking awesome for the twists and turns it takes without losing sight of the end goal. Watching Buu recently the problem with that seemed to be how aimless it felt in setting up plot lines and abandoning them shortly thereafter. Gohan is supposed to defeat Buu, no Gohan is missing so now Vegeta will, now Vegeta is dead maybe SSJ3 Goku can, oh wait he has to leave, well what about Gotenks, oh wait no there's powered up Gohan, oh wait Buu has absorbed everyone, now the only one who can stop him is Vegito, hey they won oh wait no they didn't, and then they spend like five episodes just sparring with Kid Buu before
To say nothing of all of Buu's transformations.
Its still Whis. Beerus was still stronger than SSJG Goku and is still stronger than SSJGSS Goku and then you have Whis who is much stronger than Beerus.So who is stronger Whis or Vegito?
Whis is without a doubt the stronger character we seen so far, but Vegito has the most potential
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Buu's main problem is focus, that's for sure. It goes off the rails around the time Vegeta blows himself up.
DiipuSurotu
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I'd love that. There used to be a trend in the series of former villains becoming good guys and becoming part of the main cast (Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc.). But the trend has noticeably diminished as the series went on (Android 18 and Fat Buu become good but barely get involved in fights).
I've always felt the Buu saga sort of embodied all of the problems the original series had to an exaggerated degree. I almost half wonder if there wasn't some self-aware meta parody there sometimes.
Winterfang
Banned
Beers is stronger than SSJG2? Is that a spoiler for the Frieza movie or just an assumption? Still Vegito should be on par with Beers right?(Vegito is magnitudes strongers than SSJ3 I think)
SSJG is stronger than Vegito I think. SSJG Vegito could probably match up with Beerus though.
Winterfang
Banned
What? No way!! Didn't Super Saiyan God Goku manage to tie with Beers fighting at 80%? A theoretical Super Saiyan God 2 Vegito should be magnitudes stronger than just 20%.
Oh yeah, SSJGSS Vegito would probably beat Beerus, while SSJGSS Goku would probably have a close match with Beerus (I don't recall exactly but I think in BoG SSJG Goku just got Beerus warmed up). Regular Vegito would not beat any of them though.
This series is so stupid, lol.
Winterfang
Banned
Super Saiyan 2 Vegito should be at least equal to regular Super Saiyan God. Is so hard to judge.
Vegito = Goku + Vegeta power level x Earrings amplification (earrings gives another power up, though is not specified how much) + Saiyan 2 transformation.
SSG = Goku's power level + 5 other's Saiyan. (kind of like a super strong Kaio-ken)
I think, I'm new to Dragon Ball internet discussion to be honest.
Vegito = Goku + Vegeta power level x Earrings amplification (earrings gives another power up, though is not specified how much) + Saiyan 2 transformation.
SSG = Goku's power level + 5 other's Saiyan. (kind of like a super strong Kaio-ken)
I think, I'm new to Dragon Ball internet discussion to be honest.
NeonZ
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Here's a translation of the interview:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/daizenshuu-2-shenlong-times/
Omega Kirby
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What if They taught krillin and Yamcha kaio ken? Perhaps then they could do something.
They would still be less than insects next to the Saiyans.
Omega Kirby
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Some insects can give you a nasty sting.
EGOMON
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Guys just head up please don't post any Revival of F spoilers or at least mask them, thanks.
OT: I wonder how long this new series is going to be?
Now that Naruto ended and Bleach no longer on TV, One Piece is the last of the big 3 still running I think DBS had a chance to fill the gap and become the new long running series
OT: I wonder how long this new series is going to be?
Now that Naruto ended and Bleach no longer on TV, One Piece is the last of the big 3 still running I think DBS had a chance to fill the gap and become the new long running series
The Silver
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there could have been lots of fun ways to keep everyone relevant
The Saiyans all have the highest raw power and speed
The humans get kaio-ken and focus alot more on things like destructo disc, solar flare, clones, etc. Unique techniques where they use trickery and strategy to beat people.
Piccolo could expanded a lot more on his magical abilities, regeneration, his stretchy limbs, and his giant form.
The Saiyans all have the highest raw power and speed
The humans get kaio-ken and focus alot more on things like destructo disc, solar flare, clones, etc. Unique techniques where they use trickery and strategy to beat people.
Piccolo could expanded a lot more on his magical abilities, regeneration, his stretchy limbs, and his giant form.
Winterfang
Banned
Actually in the latest Manga chapter, they might be an implied Krillin power up at least.
Actually in the latest Manga chapter, they might be an implied Krillin power up at least.
Nah, Humanity before Goku and co had shown ups strongest warriors was probably Master Roshi who had a very low power level on the cosmic scale (He's about as strong a Frieza Henchman) That's why they sent Goku to earth as a baby, cause Earth is full of weaklings.
Krillin on Namek got to be probably as strong as Dodoria, one of the strongest fighters in the universe, helll I could argue that by the android saga, Krillin was probably as strong as Recoome or possibly even Captain Ginyu. In this regards, Krillin and co are so much more massively stronger then any other human in existence, it catches foreigners off guard.
Winterfang
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He did mention the peculiar face though.
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