It is unfortunate. Then again, I'm still waiting for the actual reviews. But the early impressions don't paint a pretty picture.
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Big Baybee
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So why won't Fox sell the rights back? I wouldn't have a problem if they treated these movies as well as the X-Men, but they don't. They aren't making money from it...........it's weird. Like, what's the story here?
There's some bad blood between Marvel Studios & Fox. A while back, there was a rumor that Marvel was gonna give Fox more time to get a Daredevil reboot off the ground in exchange for the cosmic characters connected to the F4 (namely Galactus & Silver Surfer). Fox refused, & the rest was history. If this is legit, I'd assume that this was part of the reason for the toxic relationship between the two companies. Long story short, Fox doesn't want to give Marvel Studios anymore ammo. Basically this is out of spite.
E the Shaggy
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George Oscar Bluth II
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Fox would probably make more money from selling the rights than making the movies.
Sad thing is you aren't exactly wrong, assuming the movie is as bad as the early impressions are implying.
Again, it depends
I mean unlike Sony, FOX doesn't need a quick injection of money to help with poor years
They could sit on the license for a bit and come back with another gameplan.. or maybe squeak out enough of a profit to make a sequel on a smaller budget or something.
The problem with this is, while Fox is fully capable of waiting it out, the brand would be toxic by then if this movie is as bad as the early impressions seem to imply.
It's the fourth attempt, actually.
Fourth time's the charm.
OT: But Neoxon you'll be happy to learn I plan to watch GotG in the next threedays I have off.
Even ASM2 made $70M in profit and it's on the low end of Mahvel movies. Fox is going to stick with F4 until they start bleeding money like Sony; superheroes and comic books are basically the no.1 moviegoing demographic for the foreseeable future. And Disney sure as hell doesn't need F4, so they won't make it worthwhile for Fox either.
George Oscar Bluth II
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True, but this is the third... ah... "genuine" attempt.
Hope you enjoy it.
On-topic, I'd like to think that Fox could pull it off, but as stated earlier, it's not looking to be the case.
Big Baybee
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That's Spiderman, though. FF is not on that level.
To be fair I didn't pay to see it, I was shown it at work or something.
True but F4 also has a smaller budget and would have to flop spectacularly not to be profitable
But the problem is that if the movie flops critically & financially, the brand would be toxic. And by then, any attempt that Fox makes at working with the F4 would be met with negativity. Could Fox tank a potential failure from a financial standpoint, certainly, but they can't from the perspective of the fans.
Better late than never.
Fair enough
I'm surprised that it's sold out. Does the card basically let you see whatever you want for a monthly fee?
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Free 2D and unlimited previews. Imax is much cheaper, and 3D is only free after a year of membership and you get upgraded to premium.
Thanks, doesn't work on my end, though. Guess it is a regional thing.
At face value, the last 2 movies made a profit in cinemas. And that is before TV and home-cinema sales and sublicensing.
It is only the second attempt at FOX, right?
And it is the first attempt without Bernd Eichinger
Fans are easy to win back, and Fox would still have solo movies and control anyway much like Sony does with MCU Spider-Man. And unlike Sony they have other profitable super franchises that they want crossovers for.
It's not worth it for Fox or Disney unless they start bleeding like Sony has been
That's actually awesome, I'm surprised such a system doesn't exist for American theaters.
But X-Men is the only franchise that F4 could cross over with while making some kind of sense. Crossing the F4 over with something like Avatar would be seen as jumping the shark in an attempt to salvage the F4.
This reminds me of the James Cameron X-Men project that never came to be, sniff
But of course it would be crossovered with X-Men, Gambit, Deadpool, and who knows what else Fox will do (Silver Surfer again?). There's no reason for Fox or Disney to work together on anything except Star Wars A New Hope
The bad blood between the two companies indicates otherwise. There's a reason why Marvel's refusing to make any X-Men or F4 merchandise. And the franchises you listed all fall under the X-Men umbrella (except for Silver Surfer, who falls under the F4 umbrella).
Marvel is very independent from the Mother Company, the with Lucas Film.
Very different situation.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Well, we did get an entire Marvel Legends wave for the X-Men last year, and Magick just got a figure last month...
I wouldn't say that Marvel is totally killing off merch for the X-Men. Not yet, anyway.
F4 merch is deader than dead, though.
I wouldn't say that Marvel is totally killing off merch for the X-Men. Not yet, anyway.
F4 merch is deader than dead, though.
I guess you can't go full-on scorched earth with the X-Men. The F4 on the other hand...
MCU makes bad business decisions like when hundreds of small German theaters boycotted Ultron, or the quality of Ant-Man's marketing campaign. Supposedly they would even take Spidey movie merch off the shelves.
But even with all of that, X-Men and Spidey each had a profit of $70m last year. Fox comic movies could implode if Gambit and F4 are huge flops, but nearly anything Mahvel just prints profits ($700m in profit from last year's box office releases)
Would Fox really risk tarnishing their cash cow in the X men films by doing a crossover with a brand as toxic as the FF though?
And there lies the problem.
Deadpool....Deadpool will tank or is it Trank?
Does Disney even want the FF that badly? It's not that hot of a property, and buying the rights and rebooting the franchise a few years after this movie probably wouldn't go over as well as it will for Spider-Man. Yeah, getting Galactus and Doom in the MCU would be cool, but I can't see Disney forking over money for a property that has been tarnished so badly.
It'd be more of Marvel having more of their franchises back. The F4's cosmic characters & villains would be of genuine value to the MCU, as well as the potential to repair the brand that Fox has & (according to the early impressions) still are damaging.
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SuperEpicMan
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I think the rights would be useful for any plans after Phase 3 is finished.
They could do loads without even featuring the F4 themselves:
- Annihilation/Annihilation Conquest adaptions.
- Galactus.
- Super Skrulls
- Doom (possibly having him in a Masters of Evil movie)
- Silver Surfer
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Marion Cobretti
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I almost feel bad for that cast after seeing that interview.
Marvel/Disney offered to give Fox an extension for them to make their Daredevil film in exchange for FF characters like Galactus and Silver Surfer. So yeah, the FF characters seem pretty important for them to add to the MCU.
To be fair, we don't know if Fox's hold on the Super-Skrulls is just for Kl'rt or all of them.
OrangeAtlas
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So for anyone who's seen the movie, or just early impressions (no spoilers) is there some sort of after credits scene or even an attempt to set up some future for the franchise?
Fox has done it for X-Men and even Apes, I don't see why they'd shy away from this film.
Fox has done it for X-Men and even Apes, I don't see why they'd shy away from this film.
There isn't one, confirmed by Fox.
BlackBanditSho
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To me it's because that scene seems to be one of the main set pieces based on the trailer.
It's like cutting out the Iron Man and Hulk "fist bump" from AoU.
I'm guessing this scene will be removed entirely;
wouldn't be surprised. I've seen NOTHING with The Thing talking. Makes me think that his role might've been diminished by budget. He's probably just a walking effect for action now. Sad if true. That's not the FF.
That would be unfortunate.
Broken Joystick
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Pretty sad since they've already set a (tentative) date for the sequel. Of course, a post-credits scene isn't mandatory, but it doesn't inspire hope.
He asked if there was a post-credits scene, not a sequel. Yes, a sequel is in the books, but that can easily change depending on how well the movie is received or how it does at the box office (or both).
DonasaurusRex
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probably for THE Super Skrull and not the Skrulls in general or any super type of skrull.
OrangeAtlas
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Huh interesting... I'm not sure if that's a lack of faith, budget, or just a creative decision.
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