New Fantastic Four Trailer
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Escape Goat
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They probably dont want to box themselves in if it does well enough for a sequel.
It can be seen either way. If it succeeds, Fox is free to do whatever for the sequel without worrying about having to tie themselves down to a particular tease. If it fails, they at least didn't get people's expectations up for a sequel (or make themselves look like jackasses expecting the crowd to want a sequel). Post-credits scenes work for Marvel because they plan their shit years in advance.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for this stuff to be in the MCU. I'm just saying that if I'm a Disney exec and I'm making money hand over fist without the FF, why would I fork over the cash to buy a toxic franchise that I can only use the villains of because the heroes have such a bad reputation among the general public?
It's not like the reputation of the F4 can't be saved with a solid-ass movie & a ton of great advertising around said movie (merchandise, commercials, games, etc.). It's just that Fox doesn't seem to be providing a good movie (if the early impressions are any indication), & Marvel's cutting Fox off from everything else.
I agree that the Fantastic Four have the potential to be popular again if they had a great flick, but assuming that this film is a stinker (and it would have to be for Fox to sell the rights) then Marvel won't be able to get away with releasing their own FF movie in four years. Yeah, they're doing that with Spider-Man, but the FF ain't Spider-Man.
OrangeAtlas
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Makes sense, although I think most people expect to have to stay after the credits with anything that has a Marvel logo on it.
Reminds of the old video game movies that kept ending on cliffhangers, never to be resolved.
It works out since Marvel would likely need some fresh blood for Phase 4. But again, this is assuming that the reboot sucks & Fox gives up the rights to Marvel.
Nothing about this movie actually seems to be FF and I think that's the weakest part for anyone hoping to see this particular cast in anything FF related in the future. Everything we've seen so far indicate Johnny is all hothead no charm, and Ben is more pet rock than ever lovin' Thing.
Should Marvel get the rights I'd have to expect the wipe the slate on this for a more classic group. An older Reed would let them get the ball rolling on the Illuminati and there somehow seems to be less of value in this universe than there was in ASM.
They would do that anyway, as Marvel prefers to start from scratch. But as stated earlier, all of this depends on if the movie fails & Fox gives the rights back to Marvel.
I feel like they could definitely succeed if they play off the whole "Marvel's First Family" vibe. Comicbook fans will go for a more comic accurate depiction and casual viewers can really get a family-friendly adventure. Ant-Man really tries to be more family-centric but there's still some language, innuendos, and excessive (albeit cartoonish) violence.
Fantastic Four could really make a fun, PG movie that parents can bring their children into without worry.
This. The F4 can be the kind of fun "adventures into the unknown" movie that appeals to both children, parents, & comic book fans alike. The Fantastic Four are supposed to be out there, exploring crazy shit, & most importantly, fun. I'm not getting those vibes from this movie. Even the Negative Zone isn't that out there beyond the green lava & the beams coming out of the ground (or into, depending on the context in the movie).
and ten years ago.... they did! (it was still pretty bad, though)
I can't help but feel the new film started life as a dark and edgy reboot a la Nolan and got retooled once Fox wanted to try and ape Marvel Studios.
The way they've changed their advertising approach makes it seem like that's the case.
Agreed. I'm currently reading the Lee/Kirby FF run and would LOVE a FF film to channel the goofy and family friendly vibe. A campy 60s era FF movie would be so good. Honestly, the best FF movie is The Incredibles.
But those are dreams and I'm talking business. There is tons of potential for there to be a good FF film, but purchasing a property with three failed movies in the last decade is a bad idea.
Fox seems to be going in this direction with the X-Men films as well, going from the drab and ultrarealistic black leather uniforms to the more vibrant and comic accurate costumes in Deadpool and X-Men Apocalypse.
Gordon Shumway
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That's actually my favorite thing to come out of all this.
Not the actual burger or anything, but that commercial. Don't you hate being on lunch break but then you're needed immediately in the middle of it?
And I'm more hyped because of that. Here's hoping, assuming this movie is a dud, that F4 is just a fluke & Fox just brushes it off & moves on.
I wouldn't put it past Marvel to whip the franchise into shape. Again, assuming that this movie doesn't turn out good.
I'd agree, but I'd love to see Marvel take a jab at the F4 eventually.
Marvel/Disney can also use Kang the Conquerer if they get the FF rights back.
Is Kang connected to the F4 or the X-Men rights?
Memento Mori
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F4. He first appeared in F4 even though he's primarily an Avengers character.
Since Kang is a descendent of Reed Richards, I'd say he's tied to the FF.
James Gunn confirms Fox owns him.
Then there's another perk for Marvel getting the F4 rights. A potential villain for Avengers 4. Almost forgot about Kang being a descendant of Reed Richards, though.
I wouldn't be completely opposed to this. While I'd prefer a more comic-accurate origin, I'd be okay with this.
Maybe they can do something on a space station. Or trying to remodulate Veronica
Hm, interesting idea.Maybe they can do something on a space station. Or trying to remodulate Veronica
SuperEpicMan
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I posted this a while ago and just thought. It would be cool if they decided to make one of the future GotG movies a semi avengers movie similar to Civil War. Imagine at the end of a F4 movie, they go into space and investigate the Annihilation Wave, and then cross paths with the GotG and Captain Marvel. Possibly tying into Xandar being destroyed and Nova being introduced. Then do a Cosmic Avengers style movie.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
He's pre-emptively defending it. It must be good.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
The use of "defends" in that headline suggests A LOT.
Memento Mori
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To be honest I think Fantastic Four would work better as a Netflix series than a movie.
ScreenSplitter
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With the special effects the main cast necessitate? Wouldn't ever happen.
Yeah but he'd defend it if it was good too. Not to play devil's advocate, the film looks like lowest denominator garbage.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
The cast was on The Today Show this morning and just totally seemed like they didn't want to be there. Like, "Please just release the damn movie already so I can stop having to pretend like I give a shit" type vibes.
E the Shaggy
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"We really wanted the movie about a guy who is on fire and flies around with a giant rock man to be as grounded as possible!"
Why even?
Why even?
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
I think we all knew when he first touted this was a "grounded" Fantastic Four film months ago, that something was very wrong.
The producer who's "heavily involved" with the new Star Wars films, folks!
Not at the budget needed for the CGI.
spookyfish
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Oh, I'm certain Disney is going to crap out Star Wars properties.
Rebels has little to no imagination in it. I expect the movies to follow suit. Way too many "Remember when you saw something like THIS in the original trilogy?? Ha HA! Star Wars!" moments for me.
Coming out and defending your movie before critics have had their shot at it
Something smells fishy
he is a professional and simply doing his job.
Gordon Shumway
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So the force will equal Jedi bullies, pushing you from behind, forcing you to complete mundane task..
Bobby Roberts
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If this smells fishy so does every single press tour for every movie that ever existed. The idea that the people making the movie would talk up the quality of their movie to the press before the movie comes out isn't weird. It's weird when the people making the movie suggest it's a foregone conclusion it's going to get shit reviews, like Miles Teller did. That's notable. But the writer/producer saying "It's a good movie. You should watch it" isn't "fishy" at all. It's literally part of the job.
Talking it up is one thing but trying to assuage fears that it's not a disaster is something else
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