Its not unusual that they say stuff like "its no disaster"?
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Bobby Roberts
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No it isn't. Again - this is literally part of his job. It's the function of any pre-release press tour. To assuage fears that it's not worth your time.
What did you think he's supposed to be doing that would make his addressing the controversy "not fishy?" How do you go at the media narrative without tripping your (fairly sensitive) alarms?
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Why should it be? People have been talking shit for months now. He's doing the pre-release press tour. Again - what's he supposed to do on a promotional tour for the movie he just produced that makes it "not fishy?"
Like - what are you guys looking for here?
A hard concept to digest? Keep the dude away from sharp objects
Well, it's all just press. If there's a lot of people shit talking your movie before it's even out, it's a little important that the producer gets out ahead of that. Ignoring it isn't going to make the situation any better.
I would say if anything is suspicious about the way Fox is trying to cushion the damage control, it's that it seems to be Kinberg doing the bulk of it. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm just not paying much attention to this movie's press tour (I'm definitely not :lol) but it feels like Trank has had relatively little part in it so far.
Idk, I think when I would promote a movie and I were 100% confident that the movie is good, I would not start with "its not a disaster".
I would assume he'd go to bat for his cast and crew, praise the writing, characterization and plot while having confidence in the product and that the reviews will speak for themselves.
Coming out and claiming it's not a disaster makes me think this movie will be seen as a big win if it's merely labelled as 'generic & forgettable 6/10'.
Bobby Roberts
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It's not like he sat down for the junket and immediately said "IT'S NOT A DISASTER" with his hands in the air and his eyes bugged out. Should he have not addressed the concerns that people have been expressing about Trank, the casting, the tone for the last few months at all? Is your problem that he addressed them directly, or at all?
Again - this is a promotional press tour for a movie that hasn't had the best buzz around it. What's he supposed to do here.
But he does do this, and then further puts the period on the point by directly addressing the negative buzz. So I don't get the criticism. It's like he's getting raked for directly addressing what people are saying about the film. Why?
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not doing damage control. I've never said "The movie's going to be good!" at any point. I've said it COULD be good, and that I believe the studio was actually trying to make a good movie. But the right talent and the right intentions doesn't mean you're gonna end up with a good movie, and this movie isn't inspiring a whole lot of confidence in anyone. It's hard to argue otherwise.
What I'm doing is trying to point out how little thought is actually being put into criticisms of the film, and fairly often.
I mean, months and months of people talking shit about what a nut Trank is (and he's apparently kind of a nut) how wrong the Sue/Johnny casting is (just got thrown out there as part of this press tour, even) how ridiculous Doom looks (he does look like a half-melted Doom toy) - okay. The producer/writer goes on his end of the press tour, and directly addresses all that. It's PR. He says "it's not a disaster."
What's he supposed to say? How is this a complaint? I'm not saying people need to believe him, because again - what's he supposed to say? But criticizing him for sticking up for the film he just spent a lot of time trying to get finished, as part of the publicity tour in the week before it comes out? Why? What's the reasoning behind going at him doing something as blindingly obvious as that?
I'm just busting your balls dude. You just seem to really put a lot thought into this movie that doesn't really deserve it.
You have to admit it's weird, can you name another movie where the producer jumped out and said "it's not total shit!" before anyone had even seen it?
Bobby Roberts
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I put a lot of thought into a lot of shit.
I think there are better ways of phrasing that sentiment than "It's not a disaster", mainly because saying "it's not a disaster" leaves the reader with the feeling of "Wait, it could have been a disaster?". That and it's easy to quote mine.
Messypandas
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GET HIM!
Bobby Roberts
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Okay, yeah. I guess it's sorta the equivalent of someone in an airport saying "I swear that's not a bomb" and all the guy running the scanner hears is "BOMB."
"Did you say BOMB?"
"I said it's not a bomb."
"You keep saying "Bomb""
"But it's not a bomb"
"There you go again. Step into this room here, please"
This. Nothing's wrong with being neutral.
Messypandas
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Its not about enjoying movies, its about ethics in PR.
neogaffer1
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To be fair, you could just peg it as her Invisible Woman transformation.
Future Foundation
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There'd be like twenty comments on the Internet if that was true.
And Bobby would have ten.
Subpar Spatula
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It's similar to how when Megan Fox said Jennifer's Body isn't all bad. You don't market a movie by acknowledging baseless fears. It's damage control.
neogaffer1
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BUT they would be quality posts.
You would think a movie could afford a good wig. Gillian Anderson is wearing a wig for X-files, but you can't really tell.
Kate Mara is in this.
Future Foundation
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This is true.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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If I worked PR for this movie I would be trotting Stan Lee out to talk about how he's seen the movie and this is the FF he always intended.
I wouldn't say that Kate's hair is longer, she just has her hair down unlike that earlier shot without the wig.
Bobby Roberts
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Awww shucks, you guys.
Day One.
Seriously though I'm probably gonna end up seeing this no matter what.
You're awesome Bobby. Keep posting for that rainbow!
Double Post, but has anyone been listening to the Josh Trank interviews Kevin Smith has been doing? Pretty interesting stuff.
http://smodcast.com/channels/fatman-on-batman/
http://smodcast.com/channels/fatman-on-batman/
Doom
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. I wasn't very excited for this movie before. Still not excited at all.
George Oscar Bluth II
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"I'm not saying it's a disaster but it's a disaster."
Collider Movie Talk (formerly AMC Movie Talk) touched on the likelihood of an F4 sequel & the issue pertaining to the review embargo. They brought up a good point of the movie potentially still being edited until recently. But considering how long we've seen the CGI shown in the trailer that this thread was made for (& the fact that they're hiding the CGI rather than fixing it) isn't a good sign. Keep in mind that these guys were previously hyped for the movie based on the cast, the writer, the director, & the trailers. But they're right about one thing, whether it's Fox's intention or not, the embargo sends a message saying that Fox doesn't believe in this movie. Hopefully the F4 reboot still turns out good, but again, that's not the message that Fox is sending.
Future Foundation
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About midway through the second part. It's really good. I thought it was just gonna be F4 in general, but it's been fairly thorough on everything before then.
Bobby Roberts
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Did AMC finally drop 'em? I thought it was sorta weird that a crew of guys who seem to not know shit about the movie business were the face of a specific theater chain.
Although their being scooped up by Collider makes slightly less sense, as I know there are writers at that site that put Campea & crew to shame.
Although their being scooped up by Collider makes slightly less sense, as I know there are writers at that site that put Campea & crew to shame.
Future Foundation
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I thought it was just more of a rebrand.
unpopularblargh
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Rogue Nation didn't finish filming until days before it's premiere. So it could still be good (even great maybe). I have faint hope but I really like the cast. Don't let coach Taylor down Vince!
Future Foundation
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Wait, this is in IMAX?
Not at my theater, but it's available on "large formats" (basically Cinemark XD & its equivalent at other theaters).
That makes sense. Ant-Man didn't start filling up for Thursday night in my area until the Tuesday of.
I'm expecting Thursday business for FF to be weaker than Ant-Man, which still had the Marvel connection, even if most of the Marvel audience skipped it. MI5 only did $4M on Thursday last week. The same for Fantastic Four would be decent. If we see $2-3M Friday morning, you can probably conclude that the film is in trouble.
Or that people are waiting for more reviews to come out.
Bobby Roberts
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Nobody's really using movie reviews in that manner, or at least not a large enough contingent of moviegoers to make a real difference.
Either the commercials are selling the movie, or they're not. Reviews aren't usually a factor, unless they're unanimously fantastic or unanimously shitty and that becomes a news story in and of itself, like what recently happened with Pixels.
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