New GTA V Trailers "MICHAEL. FRANKLIN. TREVOR."

I thought the complete opposite, but to each his own.

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j/K. Nah I'm going to replay GTA IV right now. I have it on PC and I'm going to throw the ENB mod on there with HD textures and see how it holds up today.
 

bhlaab

Member
A highly detailed open world playground?

Okay, but GTA environments are very static and reactionless. There's more to do in Skyrim, enrivonments are more dynamic in Red Faction Guerilla and The Saboteur and Just Cause, you can interact with the environment in more interesting ways in Assasin's Creed, actions have more meaning in Fallout New Vegas, there is a greater arsenal of options in Far Cry 3, and the playground is more playful in Saints Row.

The open world playground gameplay in GTA hasn't changed since GTA 3, and it hasn't improved since San Andreas (arguably it's declined since then)
 

Sethos

Banned
Okay, but GTA environments are very static and reactionless. There's more to do in Skyrim, enrivonments are more dynamic in Red Faction Guerilla and The Saboteur and Just Cause, you can interact with the environment in more interesting ways in Assasin's Creed, actions have more meaning in Fallout New Vegas, there is a greater arsenal of options in Far Cry 3, and the playground is more playful in Saints Row.

The open world playground gameplay in GTA hasn't changed since GTA 3, and it hasn't improved since San Andreas (arguably it's declined since then)

*broken record*
 

sunnz

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j/K. Nah I'm going to replay GTA IV right now. I have it on PC and I'm going to throw the ENB mod on there with HD textures and see how it holds up today.

With patch 1.4 and the right ENB ( and if you PC is up for it) then I will honestly say it is one of the best games on the PC, even today.
 

Marleyman

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j/K. Nah I'm going to replay GTA IV right now. I have it on PC and I'm going to throw the ENB mod on there with HD textures and see how it holds up today.

I did love Little Jacob and understood him well enough ;) I just thought Niko was a departure from the usual protagonist in most games, plus his Serbian side appealed to me because I am 1/2 Serb.
 
With patch 1.4 and the right ENB ( and if you PC is up for it) then I will honestly say it is one of the best games on the PC, even today.

I have to downgrade steam's version to 1.4. I really don't like how annoying it is to mod GTA IV though... It took me a long time to fix because a few times the game started up with no text and missing graphics.
 

Data West

coaches in the WNBA
Why is everyone hating on Niko? Personally, I thought he was one of the best aspects of GTA IV...

You're not supposed to say anything positive about GTA 4. 'Oh he says he doesn't want to kill but does it anyways.' People don't seem to realize that that's EVERY GAME EVER.
 
Micheal really was suppose to be Tommy Verciti(spelled wrong) im sure of it. the musuc, the video, everything seems like Tommy

should have paid Ray rockstar :(

all three trailers were amazing B^) dat hype
 
As I said, the main characters in The Wire are police officers, not gangbangers. Same for Training Day.

Menace 2 Society and Boyz in the Hood are average movies at best as far as I'm concerned. Very simple stories, very predictable and average acting. I haven't seen the other movies you mentioned, although a Brazilian friend of mine has mentioned City of God. I'll check it out.

Good point about the directors though. That said, the mafia subject matter truly is interesting. A great director can't make a great movie if the subject matter is weak.

Anyway I'll leave it at that. If you think Menace and Boys are wonderful films then we simply have a difference of opinion.

the main characters in The Wire are police officers, not gangbangers
lolWAT
 

bunbun777

Member
And the Oscar goes to....

But seriously there just are not that many games that get me excited anymore. Rockstar always has made good trailers anyways but this stuff looks T I G H T.
 
Okay, but GTA environments are very static and reactionless. There's more to do in Skyrim, enrivonments are more dynamic in Red Faction Guerilla and The Saboteur and Just Cause, you can interact with the environment in more interesting ways in Assasin's Creed, actions have more meaning in Fallout New Vegas, there is a greater arsenal of options in Far Cry 3, and the playground is more playful in Saints Row.

Yeah, but GTA has a filmic level of realism that none of those games can touch. And it's open world design shits on them all from a great height. Liberty City in IV still hasn't been topped.

Combine those two features and its easy to see why it's the king of the genre.
 
#TeamFranklin
I wanted a San Andreas GTA style so I think I'll enjoy to play as him the more.

I'm excited but september is really ok for me. I've reach a point where I could only play backlog games for a year so devs taking their time is ok for me.
 

Horns

Member
Yes I think we can all agree Niko and gang was boring. I didn't like a single character in Gta iv. I couldn't stand Niko, Roman, the jamaican dude I forget his name, and several other corny guys throughout the game.

I thought Niko was a pretty original character. The IV characters were all generally good.

There were way too many mafia characters at the end of IV though. And I hated Manny and Brucie's personalities, but they were still good characters. I especially enjoyed Brucie's character when you learned a little more about him in Gay Tony, which explains his overcompensation.
 
Found the trevor trailer a bit boring but still looking forward to playing as him

Michael had a great trailer with some cool action and nice soundtrack

Franklin trailer was cool, all thats sticking in my mind right now though is, i will give you a hint in the image below

dat-ass.jpg
 

DangerStepp

Member
Yeah, but GTA has a filmic level of realism that none of those games can touch. And it's open world design shits on them all from a great height. Liberty City in IV still hasn't been topped.

Combine those two features and its easy to see why it's the king of the genre.
Ehhh... I don't know.

It's cool if that's your opinion, but I'm not completely sure that those statements could hold much water.

It's all relative, right? Also, how good an open world is really depends on what you're looking for within that world as far as entertainment goes. GTAIV was cool at the time, but has been surpassed by several games I've experienced in just the past year.
 
Mafia makes for much better storytelling than gangbanging. Take The Godfather vs Boyz in the Hood. Not exactly in the same league. Or Goodfellas vs Menace 2 Society. Or the Sopranos. Or Boardwalk Empire. There's just more depth to explore in organized crime. Note "gangbanging" does not mean "black". You could make an excellent story about black organized crime as well. Maybe American Gangster (haven't seen that yet)?

That said, gangbanging seems to lend itself better to videogames. San Andreas is the best GTA as far as I'm concerned. So although Franklin himself might not be an interesting character, his story might be extremely fun to play.

The Godfather vs. Boyz in the Hood does not mean that mafia makes for much better storytelling. It just means that the Godfather is a much better movie than Boyz in the Hood. The Godfather is a much better movie than 99% of all other movies.

I generally have more interest in the mafia story line than necessarily an urban ghetto storyline, but for what it's worth, San Andreas is my favorite GTA and I really liked CJ's core storyline.
 

bhlaab

Member
Yeah, but GTA has a filmic level of realism that none of those games can touch. And it's open world design shits on them all from a great height. Liberty City in IV still hasn't been topped.

Combine those two features and its easy to see why it's the king of the genre.

Could you be more specific? What does filmic level of realism mean? And what about the open world design is so great?
 

BFIB

Member
I liked Niko, but I didn't like the fact that the money you earned couldn't be spent on anything but weapons and $1 hot dogs and burgers.

That, and I really wanted them to explore his inner struggle more. Its one thing to say "I don't want to kill anymore" then turn around and kill 20 people in a mission (outside of missions on free roam, because its not storyline driven, just random fun).
 

sunnz

Member
Okay, but GTA environments are very static and reactionless. There's more to do in Skyrim, enrivonments are more dynamic in Red Faction Guerilla and The Saboteur and Just Cause, you can interact with the environment in more interesting ways in Assasin's Creed, actions have more meaning in Fallout New Vegas, there is a greater arsenal of options in Far Cry 3, and the playground is more playful in Saints Row.

The open world playground gameplay in GTA hasn't changed since GTA 3, and it hasn't improved since San Andreas (arguably it's declined since then)

Yea but IV has one of the most believable and living/breathing cities ( with very good detail too fr a 2008 game) which alone makes the world, or playground, feel a lot more real and alive.

Plus with the 2.45 million times better physics ( driving, flying and euphoria on the civilians which results in that much much more satisfying, believable and fun moments) that add to the game and make it go above and beyond any other game in this genre.

I would prefer to just drive around the city in IV because of its very high quality and in depth vehicle physics over many many, if not all, of the things those games offer.

Let's not forget the much more fun, craziness and hectic moments added to the playground thanks to online free roam which you don't see outside of IV which is probably why IV is still in PSN/XBL top 20 played games every month even after like 5 years...

BUT that is just my view.
 

Persona86

Banned
Okay, but GTA environments are very static and reactionless. There's more to do in Skyrim, enrivonments are more dynamic in Red Faction Guerilla and The Saboteur and Just Cause, you can interact with the environment in more interesting ways in Assasin's Creed, actions have more meaning in Fallout New Vegas, there is a greater arsenal of options in Far Cry 3, and the playground is more playful in Saints Row.

The open world playground gameplay in GTA hasn't changed since GTA 3, and it hasn't improved since San Andreas (arguably it's declined since then)

This is GTA V.

There will be many improvements, even Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3 show that Rockstar can evolve, they obviously have learned a lot from making those 2 games. Just the shooting alone is guaranteed to be 10 times better. Also the physics is guaranteed to provide almost unlimited amount of random gameplay.

Just play the game then judge it.
 

Marleyman

Banned
Ehhh... I don't know.

It's cool if that's your opinion, but I'm not completely sure that those statements could hold much water.

It's all relative, right? Also, how good an open world is really depends on what you're looking for within that world as far as entertainment goes. GTAIV was cool at the time, but has been surpassed by several games I've experienced in just the past year.

Liberty City hasn't been topped IMO; what city has topped it?
 
now this is AAA right here

Glorified and flashy cinematics? I hope not. Wouldn't you rather be PLAYING through those kinds of setups instead of just watching?

That being said, GTAV is looking to deliver on the story front. I just hope it delivers as much on the content end. 20 sq miles of gamespace means nothing if 90% of it is populated by trees and glorified cereal boxes disguised as buildings.
 
As I said, the main characters in The Wire are police officers, not gangbangers.

No. At best, they all share the lead, but most of the memorable characters are from street organizations.

Also, in what universe do we live in where the police officers aren't central roles to a "gangbanging" story?

*edit* AREN'T
 

Fjordson

Member
Ehhh... I don't know.

It's cool if that's your opinion, but I'm not completely sure that those statements could hold much water.

It's all relative, right? Also, how good an open world is really depends on what you're looking for within that world as far as entertainment goes. GTAIV was cool at the time, but has been surpassed by several games I've experienced in just the past year.
I agree with him about Liberty City.

I've had more fun driving around Liberty City aimlessly while listening to the radio than I ever have with games like Just Cause 2 or the Saints Row series.

Seriously. Just driving around, taking in the city. Not doing anything. Same goes for exploring Red Dead's landscape on horseback. Their open worlds are in an entirely different league than the dull cardboard cities of many other open world games.
 

Persona86

Banned
Glorified and flashy cinematics? I hope not. Wouldn't you rather be PLAYING through those kinds of setups instead of just watching?

Most of the things you see there will be how the gameplay will look like. Yeah they are cinematics, but they are also examples of what you can look forward to when you actually play the game.
 
Could you be more specific? What does filmic level of realism mean? And what about the open world design is so great?

The writing, dialogue, acting and visuals create a sense of realism that makes the game feel almost like a film. That's evident in the trailers.

The open world design in GTA IV is incredibly impressive. Just compare it with something like Saints Row or Sleeping Dogs. It feels much more like a real city. Less copy/paste. Again, just more realism in the way Rockstar does things.

The challenge will be to not have that level of realism bog down the game like it at times did in IV.
 

megalowho

Member
The tone isn't doing too much for me, it all feels like a paint by numbers GTA, but still interested to see how it turns out. Definitely going to be playing this on PC or next gen hardware, will wait if need be.
 
Why is everyone hating on Niko? Personally, I thought he was one of the best aspects of GTA IV...

Sadly, Niko was one of the best aspects.

WHich doesn't say much of any of the characters in IV.

I could pretty much give you a bio of every character from San Andreas and Vice City -- even GTAIII... generally how their story plays out. And then it gets to IV and all I can think of is Niko, his idiot cousin, Brucie, and that's it. None of the other characters, especially the bad guys or anybody else (I guess Packy?) made any significant enough impression on me for me to remember who they were.

Oh, also the Jamaican guy was awesome.
 

DangerStepp

Member
Liberty City hasn't been topped IMO; what city has topped it?
Does it have to be a city?

The world of Skryim, to me, is a little more engrossing. Hong Kong in Sleeping Dogs, Panau in Just Cause 2, Steelport in Saints Row 3 just to name a few. It's all opinion, though.

Perhaps it's been too long since I've played GTAIV and I don't have the fondest memories of it.

While the world was interesting for the time, I would hope there has been at least one game that has one-upped it. Otherwise I suppose other open world devs are just spinning their creative tires in the mud until Rockstar gives them the next GTA to rip off of?
 

PolishQ

Member
Why is that a problem?

Some people, myself included, think it would be interesting to experience the world of GTA through the eyes of a woman. It would be a pretty bold thing for Rockstar to do. There was speculation that GTAV would feature a female protagonist, back before the multiple protagonists thing was a thing.

So now that they've made the choice to have multiple protagonists, you would think it would be the perfect time to take a chance and have at least one of them break the mold a bit. But I guess that doesn't fit in with the "deconstruction of the typical GTA protagonist" angle that they've settled on.

I'm not trying to start a discussion on sexism here. I was just excited at the prospect of a female protagonist.
 

Sethos

Banned
Does it have to be a city?

The world of Skryim, to me, is a little more engrossing. Hong Kong in Sleeping Dogs, Panau in Just Cause 2, Steelport in Saints Row 3 just to name a few. It's all opinion, though.

Perhaps it's been too long since I've played GTAIV and I don't have the fondest memories of it.

I think so, because most of the games just have big ass copy & paste worlds with little to no immersion. Skyrim I might agree somewhat with but that other rubbish ... No. Saints Row has always been infamous for its completely dead gameworld.
 

sunnz

Member
Does it have to be a city?

The world of Skryim, to me, is a little more engrossing. Hong Kong in Sleeping Dogs, Panau in Just Cause 2, Steelport in Saints Row 3 just to name a few. It's all opinion, though.

Perhaps it's been too long since I've played GTAIV and I don't have the fondest memories of it.

While the world was interesting for the time, I would hope there has been at least one game that has one-upped it. Otherwise I suppose other open world devs are just spinning their creative tires in the mud until Rockstar gives them the next GTA to rip off of?

Honestly the ONLY game that has come close ( but not topped it because of certain reasons) is mafia 2 to me.
 

Marleyman

Banned
Sadly, Niko was one of the best aspects.

WHich doesn't say much of any of the characters in IV.

I could pretty much give you a bio of every character from San Andreas and Vice City -- even GTAIII... generally how their story plays out. And then it gets to IV and all I can think of is Niko, his idiot cousin, Brucie, and that's it. None of the other characters, especially the bad guys or anybody else (I guess Packy?) made any significant enough impression on me for me to remember who they were.

Oh, also the Jamaican guy was awesome.

I thought Gay Tony and Luis were great characters.
 
In GTAV, I'll probably enjoy Michael's story the most in so far as it looks like a Tony Soprano "suburban psychopath house dad" type story.. But I'll probably enjoy playing with Trevor in the free roam.

Franklin will probably be a good balance of both.
 

DangerStepp

Member
Honestly the ONLY game that has come close ( but not topped it because of certain reasons) is mafia 2 to me.
I hope to play that some time soon, actually.

I'll have to revisit Liberty City as well to see if my memory is betraying my current opinion or if I'm vindicated.
 
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