heliosRAzi
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Yup.
So all of you people who don't want to be spoiled, be careful when you're searching for HxH stuff
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New Hunter x Hunter Anime |OT| of Hunters and adventure and NO MANGA SPOILERS
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Yup.
So all of you people who don't want to be spoiled, be careful when you're searching for HxH stuff
Yeah, I'm not answering that specifically. I mean, it's only a couple of days away.
It's obviously very subjective, but it's different from Netero vs Meruem, imo. I'm not going to hype this up any more.
From this point on in the arc, prepare for all sorts of types of feels.
Everyone has different opinions. Netero vs Muruem is my personal high point of the series, for some it is the Yorkshin Arc, others other moments. It's all great though!
what
how
How can it be on par or even better than Netero vs Meruem, the pinnacle of storytelling and animations in anime (imho) ?
I'm so not ready.
This is why i don't like hyping shit.
Don't drive yourself crazy. Like I said, it's different. Some will like it, other won't.
My hype has already exceed maximum levels.
This train has no brakes, this party is already absolutely crazy!!
Picture is me next week.
Bahahaha! Perfect!
ThatObviousUser
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Killua would be mad jelly
Probably.
ThatObviousUser
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Don't worry, we'll never find out because Kurapika will never get a satisfying conclusion.
Teasing like "hurr fucking durr I read da book and I know something awesome is gonna happen but you can't know what it is trolololol" is....
You can hype someone up way too much and have them be disappointed.
Conversely, even hinting will take the element of surprise away as someone will "expect" something to happen and then say, "oh, it was only that" or "meh, wasn't surprised because I was looking out for it".
Have consideration for your fellow non-manga reading watchers. :|
And then there's the people who straight up spoiled the manga with no disregard for "NO MANGA SPOILERS". Not sure what to say there...
You can hype someone up way too much and have them be disappointed.
Conversely, even hinting will take the element of surprise away as someone will "expect" something to happen and then say, "oh, it was only that" or "meh, wasn't surprised because I was looking out for it".
Have consideration for your fellow non-manga reading watchers. :|
And then there's the people who straight up spoiled the manga with no disregard for "NO MANGA SPOILERS". Not sure what to say there...
Kurapika used Judgement Chain (which sets a restriction on a person, killing them if they don't comply) on himself as a restriction for Chain Jail. Based on what we have seen of Judgement Chain (used on four people: himself, Uvogin, Chrollo and Pakunoda), it most likely can only be removed by a Nen remover. If he created a technique to undo Judgement Chain, it is likely that the condition would not be enough to create a technique as strong as Chain Jail.
These oaths aren't something you can "trick". You break it, and you can be damn well sure whatever oaths you make in the future are not going to be ANYWHERE as effective.
So much for your "convictions"....
I still don't like Kurapika. He should not have been able to fight and kill any member of the Phantom Spiders, oaths be damned. The gap was way too large. At least I'll find solace in the fact that he's gimped against any competent Nen-user not part of the Phantom Spider (if he isn't, I'm gonna rage).
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
It's the next step of Nen powers; you can set conditions to your nen power to get stronger.
In the Spiders and the Greed Island arcs, there are many explanations of this. The Bomber was not all that strong, but his power was, and in exchange of that power, he had to explain what it was, how to deactivate it and reveal that he was the Bomber. That's why they mention that Gon and Killua don't have a fully developed Nen on those chapters, because their Nen doesn't have a final form (or even a specific form).
Hizoka has a comparatively weak Nen power, this is probably because he didn't want to restrain himself under harsh conditions, and his power serves him very well due to his deceptive personality.
You can perfect this, the ants have been changing conditions all the time. Cheetu is a great example, you can see how he fucked up in the battle against Morel. He changed his pact later, with the help of the Lion Ant who was a remover.
Kite have the power of making powerful weapons appear out of thin air, but the condition was that he couldn't choose what weapon, and once the weapon wah set, he HAD to use it, so it's annoying.
Kurapika could only use his best powers against the spiders, and seeing his GIGANTIC growth over a very little period of time, it's probable that he put his life on the line and some very restrictive conditions, he probably needs a Nen remover/exorcist to remove his Nen conditions and cure himself.
Knuckle's bankruptcy power is indestructible, not even the King at full power could harm it, and that blast should be one of the most powerful in the HXH world, maybe the most.
Gon and Killua haven't done that (yet), but in this chapters Killua has been developing much faster than Gon, he is a more skilled user after all, and far more intelligent, but his powers don't have specific conditions yet, the only downside of his powers right now is that electricity drains very quickly and it's slow to recharge. Once he sets conditions, he should turn into a monster.
So, Hunter X Hunter is not Dragon Ball, were the only thing that mattered were power levels. It's possible that a very weak Nen user obtains great power under the right circumstances and defeat a powerful foe (like Kurapika vs the Spiders). And even if a weak Nen user doesn't obtain a great power, if he knows the abilities of a powerful Nen user, he can still defeat him, as portrayed in the battle between Gon and the Bomber.
It being removable kind of makes it very powerfull. Imagine Cheetu fighting against Netero. he could have a power with the condition that he can only use it against Netero and he has to kill hilm within the hour or else he dies. After Cheetuh wins he goes to the Lion Ant and removes the condition.
Another question, why didn't Netero use this instead of a nuke? Right before the nuke he couldve come up with some insane restrictions which would make him very powerfull. And if that would've failed his last resort would be to detonate the nuke.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Because Netero's power was very difficult to obtain. I think the anime didn't portray this very well, but in order to obtain his power, Netero did 10,000 thank you punches a day (or something like that) for a lot of years, to thanks the martial arts goddess.
Also, remember that the ants don't know a whole lot about the association of hunters, and don't have to know that Netero is the most powerful Hunter (even we don't know if he was). Finally, ants didn't know a whole lot of Nen, I mean, they took information from some captured hunters, but they had to develop their Nen in a very short amount of time. They were confident with their raw power, which is greater than the human's power.
The king realized this when playing Gungi with the blind girl (Komugi). He realized that Nen was not only a fighting power, but could take many forms.
Also, it should be possible to set a condition to kill only Netero, but remember he didn't come alone, they took a lot of intel before striking, they were very careful in assessing the enemy's power, and even then, Netero striked, backed by the Zoldyck grandpa.
Will not explain further actions in the series, because spoilers.
Him being very powerful (and the difficult way how he obtained his power) still allows him to set restrictions to become even more powerful no? Anyway it seems they will clear some things up in the next episodes. Thanks for you're explanation
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
But if you use a Nen remover to change the condition, it's possible that your whole power just go away, and Netero loves his power.Him being very powerful (and the difficult way how he obtained his power) still allows him to set restrictions to become even more powerful no? Anyway it seems they will clear some things up in the next episodes. Thanks for you're explanation
Also, if you have a fully developed Nen, I don't think it is possible or wise to change conditions mid battle; in real time, the battle between the king and Netero lasted seconds I think; and conditions should be made with something to loose.
If you are about to get killed, and you impose a death condition against the enemy, it should have no effect, because you are not giving anything in change of the power; you are giving what you don't have. I think Nen powers and conditions are sort of personal, so if you know you are going to die, and make a harsh life/death condition, then you are not giving anything away, and you are not truly committed...
titiklabingapat
Member
I also understand that nen is the product of the mind essentially, so if you set some extreme conditions, with the knowledge before hand that you can just find a nen exorcist to break it later, I imagine your powers won't be as strong than if you really believed your conditions had no turning back. So in essence, conviction is directly proportional to what nen can give you.
I think you are misunderstanding the function of Nen/power in the world of HxH
If this was a normal shounen where power is something measurable and the only way to progress, then I would agree with you. But this is Hunter X Hunter - the power Kurapika gained made sense since it doesn't come down to whoever has the biggest source of Nen but who has the right abilities against the right enemies; it's like a giant game of paper-rock-scissor with dozens of possibilities
The current arc shows this, especially in the interactions between Killua and the Ants (or any other human for that matter)
Kurapika being able to destroy the Phantom Troupe makes perfectly sense since his he basically sacrifices his life for that power; the condition he has set is just fucking insane
shira
Member
So wait, any user of Nen can set conditions for themselves? I thought it was only the Manipulator and Conjurer classes that needed that? Like, I can't imagine why an Enhancer would need conditions.
(This is why I shouldn't marathon things. I'm sure this was explained in the show and I just didn't absorb it cause I was watching a lot of episodes at once. lol)
Yeah, anyone can do it, although specialists might not be able to id it's one of those abilities they can't consciously control.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Dunno why manga fans are getting people hyped for Gon vs Pitou. Not a whole load of animation will be happening. lol.
Pegosaurus
Banned
Isn't Potclean indestructible because it's made completely out of Aura? My thoughts were that Emitted Nen wouldn't disappear unless the user was killed/knocked unconscious, or they willingly revoked the ability, as seen when Knuckle released Potclean from Yupi.
Also, I saw an interesting post on reddit about Killua's ability. Is it possible that the recharging is a condition for his hatsu? From what we know about Nen, absorbing electricity shouldn't actually have an effect, because transmutation just mimics the properties of an object, and is made completely out of the users nen.
He may be storing the electricity in his Nen. It would explain why he was able to paralyze Youpi despite their gap in Nen strength, as he's actually facilitating a non-Aura attack (in a manner similar to Netero's nuke of the king.)
Dominican Power
Member
Wow, you're spoiling it big time.
postcognition
Member
It may be the case that Killua is transmuting his aura into something that can store and conduct actual electricity rather than transmuting his aura into something that mimics the properties of electricty directly.
Stuff like this makes me question why I click on anime OTs. Even with NO MANGA SPOILERS in the title, people feel the need to drop hints about what's going to happen. So fucking annoying.
Wolf Akela
Member
"Look at me I know something you guys don't trust me it'll be awesome! ^___^"
Jex
Member
These kind of defences don't really make much sense. This entire arc has had pretty wonky pacing throughout (in terms of the story beats) but it's been truly god awful lately strictly in terms of padding. I thought the Trost Arc from Attack on Titan was excruciating but this takes things to a whole new level and it's completely indefensible.
Pegosaurus
Banned
Ohhhh this is an interesting possibility. It makes sense taking into account the charging factor.
Cheetu's conditions were fine and there was nothing in them that stopped him from developing more abilities. The only thing that applies to abilities being developed is the user's skill, effort and aura.
In the same way, Kurapika could just as easily develop another ability... his condition only applies to using the current ability against non-spiders. The problem is that he spent so much effort and aura on his current ability that any new ability he creates will be very weak and incomplete, conditions or not. Maintaining two abilities might also weaken his current ability, since it's so complex.
All Cheetu did was develop abilities in a quantity over quality manner (using Pouf's help to speed the process up) where Kurapika focused on one very strong ability. Cheetu could have gone Kurapika's way and Kurapika could have gone Cheetu's way, all by themselves, though in Cheetu's case it would have taken a bit longer without Pouf. Nen erasing has nothing to do with this.
I'm kind of lost on how that discussion progressed to Cheetu using nen erasing on his own abilities, that's silly.
Regarding Killua's charging, he's transmuting his aura into electricity and he can also change electricity back into aura, that's how I got it. Knuckle and the King both have abilities that allow them to accept aura from outside factors too, so there's no reason why Killua can't.
If anything his charging ability is an amazing side bonus to his transmutation ability, it's not a condition at all. Others would kill to be able to get their aura back up like that.
In the same way, Kurapika could just as easily develop another ability... his condition only applies to using the current ability against non-spiders. The problem is that he spent so much effort and aura on his current ability that any new ability he creates will be very weak and incomplete, conditions or not. Maintaining two abilities might also weaken his current ability, since it's so complex.
All Cheetu did was develop abilities in a quantity over quality manner (using Pouf's help to speed the process up) where Kurapika focused on one very strong ability. Cheetu could have gone Kurapika's way and Kurapika could have gone Cheetu's way, all by themselves, though in Cheetu's case it would have taken a bit longer without Pouf. Nen erasing has nothing to do with this.
I'm kind of lost on how that discussion progressed to Cheetu using nen erasing on his own abilities, that's silly.
Regarding Killua's charging, he's transmuting his aura into electricity and he can also change electricity back into aura, that's how I got it. Knuckle and the King both have abilities that allow them to accept aura from outside factors too, so there's no reason why Killua can't.
If anything his charging ability is an amazing side bonus to his transmutation ability, it's not a condition at all. Others would kill to be able to get their aura back up like that.
I always thought the AoT pacing at times was just average. Like yeah it could've been better...but it could've been so much worse too.
Jex
Member
When 3 minutes of your episode is flasback and 3 minutes of your episodes is opening/closing credits and 6 minutes of your episode is characters monologuing about nothing your pacing isn't average, it's woeful. This kind of padding happens all the time in manga adaptations of shounen action shows but that doesn't make it any less shitty.
Next episode though