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New Pope elected. Young (76), and from South America. Takes Pope Name "Francis"

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PBY

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Ex-Catholic here.

I only care who the new pope is, because it will impact my family. My family is religious, and I would hate for the next Pope to be even more conservative than the last one.

There aren't "conservative" or "progressive" popes, because:

I don't know how many times I have to say it. JPII was not a liberal, and I have no idea where you're getting this idea...
 

Talon

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Yes, I'm sure it's nuanced as you say, but when I say liberal I'm asking for a pope akin to Pope John Paul II.
JPII's was right in-line with the Catholic teachings. He just spent more of his time with the poor, and he was charismatic. I don't understand this thought that JPII was some sort of modernist.

Benny really had no chance: he was effectively a placeholder, and he was old.
 
Ex-Catholic here.

I only care who the new pope is, because it will impact my family. My family is religious, and I would hate for the next Pope to be even more conservative than the last one.

Question: did it really matter that the last pope was conservative? I mean, he wasn't pope long enough to influence generations like John Paul was.
 

PBY

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Question: did it really matter that the last pope was conservative? I mean, he wasn't pope long enough to influence generations like John Paul was.

Nope. John Paul didn't really "change" anything in any real way that would affect you- still no premarital sex, condoms, abortions, gay marriage, etc, etc.
 
It's very interesting that this whole new Pope business began after my fiance and I started watching The Tudors. I can't wait for Pope Sam Neill to take his rightful position.
 
Nope. John Paul didn't really "change" anything in any real way that would affect you- still no premarital sex, condoms, abortions, gay marriage, etc, etc.

Not sure what you mean. Just by towing that line for the duration of his papacy John Paul 2 influenced at least 2 generations of Catholics. Benedict in comparison wasn't even in office 10 years.
 

paully

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JPII's was right in-line with the Catholic teachings. He just spent more of his time with the poor, and he was charismatic. I don't understand this thought that JPII was some sort of modernist.

Benny really had no chance: he was effectively a placeholder, and he was old.
Relative to the Catholic Church, and other modern popes, I'd say he was pretty progressive.
 
They should keep his identity a secret.

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PBY

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Not sure what you mean. Just by towing that line for the duration of his papacy John Paul 2 influenced at least 2 generations of Catholics.

He didn't tow that line though, he was completely against all those things; if you have a "toe-the line" conception of his papacy, then you're just misinformed.
 

Pollux

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Relative to the Catholic Church, and other modern popes, I'd say he was pretty progressive.

No he wasn't at all. You're thinking of someone like John XXIII. JPII did quite a bit to roll back many of the things that people got carried away with after Vatican II.
 
It's like, why are my Baptist friends on Facebook so interested in the new pope? Doesn't really matter to those guys, right?

Although, I will admit I'm kind of curious if only because of the extremely creepy ritualistic selection process.

Oh, you meant to ask a different question than the one you did. Ok.

The answer to that is the same as why Sony fans would care about a change in hierarchy at Nintendo.
 

Talon

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It's like, why are my Baptist friends on Facebook so interested in the new pope? Doesn't really matter to those guys, right?

Although, I will admit I'm kind of curious if only because of the extremely creepy ritualistic selection process.
Well, with Christianity being such a fractured religion, there really aren't that many global figureheads outside of the Pope. I guess Billy Graham, but still not to the same degree.

Protestants generally find televangelists like Joel Osteen creepy. Neil Clark Warren has somehow avoided this label.

At the same time, technically Protestants believe Catholics to be heretical for praying to Saints and the whole Pope-is-infallible bit. And also think Catholics are weird for not personally studying the Bible.

Well, Catholics will always have the Martin-Luther-Was-Suffering-From-Crazy-Visions-While-Having-Explosive-Diarrhea-and-that's-the-foundation-of-Protestantism thing over us.
He didn't tow that line though, he was completely against all those things; if you have a "toe-the line" conception of his papacy, then you're just misinformed.
JPII did more to reach out to the youth in the Catholic Church than any other pope before him. That's his legacy.
 
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