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[Snowybreak]

Edit2: damn, I also can't read.

Edit: Damn, top of page.

Also, telling me to watch my language? Fucking lol.

 

[TumblingHippo]

Same old story that happens time and time again, sadly, and samn ol' scum that come out and try to defend what happened due to racism :c

Absolute proof could come out that systemic racism is rampant and news would still run headlines like "Adds New Wrinkle" instead of calling it for what it is.

 

[Nipo]

It's terrible. and you know with Trump's DOJ the odds of these things getting any attention is almost zero

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Was the 911 call every released?

 

[CrazyIvan1978]

Thanks for your contribution. Any views on the details or facts of the case? Anything other than assertions that you seem unwilling to substantiate? You're not giving much to chew on. If you don't think this is a discussion worth having, you're very welcome to leave it alone.

I can think of all sorts of things that may still come to light that would change my mind. I even think BLM has a cause worth championing, I just think it's a shame it was built on this crummy case.



Who cares about reasoned discussion when you can obliquely sneer at someone without addressing their arguments.



Then help me understand what Frozenprince posted. I'm happy to accept I interpreted his post wrong, if someone will please just tell me where I am going wrong! This isn't helping us get anywhere.



I agree a lot of idiots arrived at a similar viewpoint to mine. A whole bunch of idiots arrived at yours too. What matters is how you get there.

Here is the fucking evidence, samn the fucking "yuuup", a fucking white coward cop, who before his exemplerary-white-power-affirming performance on the job at Ferguson PD, worked for the Jennings PD and was fired with the rest of the PD for blatant fucking racism, fucking killed a black teenager, and then created a narrative to save his fucking superior white ass.

A video reveals a possible connection between Michael Brown and the store he allegedly robbed, potentially changing the narrative that was presented by Ferguson PD. A narrative that was concocted to explain the action of their fucking superiorily-white hero cop. And here you are playing the prim and proper "evidence and facts" savior this thread desperately needed. Oh noes, how dare we question this fucking beautifully justified white hero's justified killing of the terrible black inhuman enemy of the human race.

I am not having a discussion with you, Sir. I am telling you, you are wrong, Sir. You are so wrong, that there is no evidence, nor facts that I can present to you that will change your mind.

 

[Vital Tundra]

Guys Im so exhausted. Its like every other week I find myself so angry and upset. Fuck the police!

 

[Order]

Motherfuckers would believe the cop if he said he shot the nigga because he was an inter dimensional criminal with Pyrokinesis.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Motherfuckers would believe the cop if he said he shot the nigga because he was an inter dimensional criminal with Pyrokinesis.

It's funny, because I spoke with someone who said something similar just about hour ago.

Her quote:

"People would believe the cop if he said that Brown started levitating and his head spun around in circles. They'd be like, "I knew it! I knew there was something up with them!""

 

[Frozenprince]

He was Magneto wasn't he.

You can't fool me Trump I know you're hiding that black people are mutants!

 

[Secret Fawful]

Remember when Darren Wilson said he was a demon Hulk monster.

Now remember that that's not a joke; he actually said that.

Fuck Darren Wilson.

 

[commedieu]

Motherfuckers would believe the cop if he said he shot the nigga because he was an inter dimensional criminal with Pyrokinesis.

It's funny, because I spoke with someone who said something similar just about hour ago.

Her quote:

"People would believe the cop if he said that Brown started levitating and his head spun around in circles. They'd be like, "I knew it! I knew there was something up with them!""

And they'd shrug after the truth comes out. As always.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Here is the fucking evidence, samn the fucking "yuuup", a fucking white coward cop, who before his exemplerary-white-power-affirming performance on the job at Ferguson PD, worked for the Jennings PD and was fired with the rest of the PD for blatant fucking racism, fucking killed a black teenager, and then created a narrative to save his fucking superior white ass.

A video reveals a possible connection between Michael Brown and the store he allegedly robbed, potentially changing the narrative that was presented by Ferguson PD. A narrative that was concocted to explain the action of their fucking superiorily-white hero cop. And here you are playing the prim and proper "evidence and facts" savior this thread desperately needed. Oh noes, how dare we question this fucking beautifully justified white hero's justified killing of the terrible black inhuman enemy of the human race.

I am not having a discussion with you, Sir. I am telling you, you are wrong, Sir. You are so wrong, that there is no evidence, nor facts that I can present to you that will change your mind.

Boom.

This thread is over.

Samn seems to be playing the JAQ-ing off game that I've seen too many fucking times on everything from Gamergate to blacks being murdered like dogs on the street.

 

[airmangataosenai]

The reason behind why Browns death was supposedly justified & sanctioned by the Police is not relevant huh?

Well...

That and the superhuman acrobatic lunging skills of your everyday black man.

The Justice Department under Eric Holder corroborated Wilson's description of the events to include Brown reaching for his gun. These events aren't really up for debate, they are facts whether you like them or not.

 

[CrazyIvan1978]

Oh goody, another one shows up, so Obama's and Holder's DOJ looks at provided evidence and determines that it corroborated the narrative. And since these guys are black, then it's all good, am I doing this right?

 

[airmangataosenai]

Oh goody, another one shows up, so Obama's and Holder's DOJ looks at provided evidence and determines that it corroborated the narrative. And since these guys are black, then it's all good, am I doing this right?

If they only looked at the evidence handed to them by the department then how did they uncover the mountain of corruption and racial profiling by them?

 

[CrazyIvan1978]

If they only looked at the evidence handed to them by the department then how did they uncover the mountain of corruption and racial profiling by them?

Oh and now you want to move the discussion away from the dead black teen and the description of events. The department was full of corruption of racial profiling, but do not worry, this one is a good shooting.

What exactly is your point?

 

[airmangataosenai]

Oh and now you want to move the discussion away from the dead black teen and the description of events. The department was full of corruption of racial profiling, but do not worry, this one is a good shooting.

What exactly is your point?

In what way am I the one moving the discussion here? You attempted to discredit the Justice Department findings by implyibg their investigation went no farther than taking the police investigation at face value and calling it a day. I point out that they did in fact dig deeper and uncovered a lot of issues within the department and somehow.... That is me moving the discussion? Please help me out here.

 

[David H Wong]

Ferguson had a shitty police department and the citizens there had a right to hate the cops. Also, every piece of evidence and all witness testimony - including everything gathered by Obama's justice department - cleared the cop. Everything confirmed Brown went for the cop's gun and was charging him when he got shot. Those are the facts, I'm sorry.

We can have both of those things be true; the policing can be shitty and racist and also Brown gave him no choice but to shoot, and in fact had committed a crime that justified getting stopped and arrested. Even if that crime was a drug deal gone bad.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Did the older clerk/owner know about this? I'm guessing that he didn't since he wasn't present in the first video.

So Michael returned for his stuff and apparently ended up having to take it by force. So the older guy called it in.

All the responding officer hears is "robbery suspect, black male, x feet tall, red hat, etc". And how would the responding officer have known of this video at the time? Or anyone in law enforcement?

The police should have disclosed this video, but I don't see how this changes anything.

It doesn't. It wasn't necessary to kill Brown either way, but it also doesn't change the fact that the owner called it in.

It's weird that the article never bothers to make clear why the documentarian thinks it substantially changes anything either. He has no explanation for why Brown got into a fight later then?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Ferguson had a shitty police department and the citizens there had a right to hate the cops. Also, every piece of evidence and all witness testimony - including everything gathered by Obama's justice department - cleared the cop. Everything confirmed Brown went for the cop's gun and was charging him when he got shot. Those are the facts, I'm sorry.

We can have both of those things be true; the policing can be shitty and racist and also Brown gave him no choice but to shoot, and in fact had committed a crime that justified getting stopped and arrested. Even if that crime was a drug deal gone bad.

What evidence confirmed that Brown reached into the car to grab the gun?

 

[NervousXtian]

All this shows is he made some deal with someone else at the store. The dude he fought with obviously wasn't part of that deal, and he never paid for the items. Not sure how this really changes the dynamics of what happened later that day between him and the store clerk... because in that guy's eyes he stole the Swishers.

Surprised the PD didn't release this.. I don't think it changes the narrative in any way meaningful.

Wish we had video of the the actual encounter with the cop. That's the part that's all over the place.

It doesn't. It wasn't necessary to kill Brown either way, but it also doesn't change the fact that the owner called it in.

It's weird that the article never bothers to make clear why the documentarian thinks it substantially changes anything either. He has no explanation for why Brown got into a fight later then?

Yeah the voice-over is making this seem like it's some huge revelation that changes everything... but fails to explain how it's relevant at all.

 

[metalslimer]

In the end the police department was exposed for the shithole that it was byour the justice department, something we won't see at all for the next 4 years

 

[Nappuccino]

Ferguson had a shitty police department and the citizens there had a right to hate the cops. Also, every piece of evidence and all witness testimony - including everything gathered by Obama's justice department - cleared the cop. Everything confirmed Brown went for the cop's gun and was charging him when he got shot. Those are the facts, I'm sorry.

We can have both of those things be true; the policing can be shitty and racist and also Brown gave him no choice but to shoot, and in fact had committed a crime that justified getting stopped and arrested. Even if that crime was a drug deal gone bad.

The problem is eye witnesses could mistake the officer pulling Brown from inside the car for Brown reaching into the car. There's so much conflicting evidence that having any kind of hard and fast "this happened" is near impossible. It doesn't help Darren Wilson changed his testimony numerous times.

 

[Deepwater]

yall still trust police accounts of police killings? In 2017? LOL

people are more invested in confirming that "not all black people killed by police are victims" than fighting racism, police racism, all of it.

 

[Stinkles]

If everything that Mr. Brown did, guilty or innocent, had happened in any European country, or even Canada, he'd be alive. But hey let's just pretend everything is ok.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

The video footage from earlier in the day is completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not Wilson used reasonable force in the killing of Michael Brown. Wilson was responding to a 911 call from minutes earlier or he never heard that dispatch and conveniently used it for a cover story. The only possible impact the interaction Brown had at the store would be if it led the owner to falsely call in the robbery, however even then, this is not something that 911 or Wilson would have reasonably been cognizant of at the time of the shooting and therefore would have no bearing on the determination by the grand jury of no probable cause in the matter.

 

[geomon]

What about the rock solid forensic evidence that had him get shot at, then run, get shot at again, turn around, lower his head and charge at the police officer like a fucking rhino before getting shot in the head?

Case closed bruh!

 

[Saint Gregory]

I keep seeing people quoting the Justice Dept investigation which began a month after the shooting and was dependent almost completely on reviewing the evidence already collected by the Ferguson PD. The FPD never conducted themselves in good faith and spent every moment from the time the shots were fired doing everything to deflect blame from their officer and place it on Michael Brown so I'm not sure why anyone would give them the benefit of the doubt when it concerns the handling of the evidence.

It's worth noting that the PD took possession of Brown's body after the shooting and not the coroner which is highly unusual and creates many avenues for them to tamper with evidence. The Justice Department was pretty much left with the choice between accepting the FPD investigation or openly accusing the entire department of covering up a murder.

 

[Derwind]

The Justice Department under Eric Holder corroborated Wilson's description of the events to include Brown reaching for his gun. These events aren't really up for debate, they are facts whether you like them or not.

They accepted Wilson's accounts of the story yes.... that is fact.

Wilson is a murdering, lying piece of shit whose part of a corrupt & racist PD in a city whom was investigated for being corrupt & racist. Also fact.

Looks like we're done here, nothing to look at here folks.

 

[boiled goose]

Cops are right about one thing.

It was irrelevant whether he robbed a store or not. He shouldn't have been murdered in either case. It was cops that fes this narrative of brown as a dangerous violent person.

Turns out cops were lying. Surprise!

But sure, let's believe their side when the other side is dead and they are constantly proved to be liars as soon as video comes out.

 

[KingV]

All this shows is he made some deal with someone else at the store. The dude he fought with obviously wasn't part of that deal, and he never paid for the items. Not sure how this really changes the dynamics of what happened later that day between him and the store clerk... because in that guy's eyes he stole the Swishers.

Surprised the PD didn't release this.. I don't think it changes the narrative in any way meaningful.

Wish we had video of the the actual encounter with the cop. That's the part that's all over the place.



Yeah the voice-over is making this seem like it's some huge revelation that changes everything... but fails to explain how it's relevant at all.

I too think the shooting was unjust, but don't really see how this changes anything. It just changes the story from "strong arm petty robbery" to "drug deal gone bad".

Both of those are not exactly accurate descriptions, but it's how it would have been reported.

 

[Aselith]

Also mind your language.

Can someone photoshop a pupper into the corner here?

 

[Lifeline]

I get that they left out of the weed exchange, to make the store seem more innocent. But it doesn't really change what happened the next day.


He didn't take his own bag, he reached behind the counter and grabbed some stuff and left with it. And on his way out assaulted the store manager. He should've waited for the shift change.

 

[Gattsu25]

Why am I not surprised by this?

Sad how a murderous cop gets a pass because people are more willing to believe a cop that was fired at his last job for being a racist asshole than several eyewitness accounts that all refute the officer's fiction.

Oh yeah, I forgot Wilson completely changed his story to include the robbery and cigarillos later. He initially said he didn't know anything about the call on the robbery to his sergeant.

Page 52 of State of Missouri v. Darren Wilson:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370494-grand-jury-volume-5.html

Oh yeah, and let's not forget this. I feel like it needs to be reposted on every page.

 

[Aselith]

I get that they left out of the weed exchange, to make the store seem more innocent. But it doesn't really change what happened the next day.


He didn't take his own bag, he reached behind the counter and grabbed some stuff and left with it. And on his way out assaulted the store manager. He should've waited for the shift change.

Correct because Darren Wilson didn't kill him for the robbery, he killed him because he could. But it might possibly have influenced the jury differently.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

Aside from everything else that makes this case f'ed up, it just seems unbelievable that months later, a simple fact like "Did he rob a store that day or did something else happen" can't be established reliably.

 

[Dude Abides]

This isn't really relevant to whether the shooting was justified. Whether you think it was depends only on if you believe the gun-grabbing/rhino charge theory.

 

[Bellamin]

This isn't really relevant to whether the shooting was justified. Whether you think it was depends only on if you believe the gun-grabbing/rhino charge theory.

It wasn't just a police narrative about the robbery. His friend Dorian Johnson testified in court that Brown stole the cigarillos. If Pollock's claims are correct, that undermines all of Johnson's credibility, including his testimony about the shooting. I think Pollock is grasping at straws here and it doesn't even matter. We don't need convenience store footage, we need footage of Brown and Wilson.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

None of this has absolutely anything to do with Michael Brown getting gunned down in the street with his hands up

 

[Sunster]

None of this has absolutely anything to do with Michael Brown getting gunned down in the street with his hands up

it could have influenced the jury.

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

it could have influenced the jury.

The video is irrelevant to what happened between Wilson and Brown and would never have been seen by a jury. with minutes between the 911 call and the shooting, Wilson and other police would not have been aware of Brown having been at the store earlier unless that fact was included in the 911 call. As such Wilsons actions were not influenced at all by Browns previous appearance at the store and therefore would not be admissible at court.

 

[NervousXtian]

None of this has absolutely anything to do with Michael Brown getting gunned down in the street with his hands up

The hand's up part never really happened. It's a false narrative started by one guy who didn't see the shooting.

Very few of the witnesses collaborated each other though, but almost everyone who said he had his hand's up heard it from the one guy who said it.

Brown didn't deserve to get shot and killed. This being a drug deal gone bad or a robbery doesn't matter though, because if was a drug deal gone bad there's no way Wilson knew that... and it's clear from the other video that the store clerk didn't know that either. Nor was it seemingly known by Brown's own friend who said he stole them.

 

[Aselith]

The video is irrelevant to what happened between Wilson and Brown and would never have been seen by a jury. with minutes between the 911 call and the shooting, Wilson and other police would not have been aware of Brown having been at the store earlier unless that fact was included in the 911 call. As such Wilsons actions were not influenced at all by Browns previous appearance at the store and therefore would not be admissible at court.

So then the first video of him in the store just before the shooting wasn't shown?

 

[Random Painted HIghway]

So then the first video of him in the store just before the shooting wasn't shown?

What do you think the new video changes? Does it tend to prove or disprove the allegations or does it lack an effect on the allegations?

 

[Mr. Blonde]

So much for the new wrinkle, it seems.

 

[nitekrawlwer]

"blah"

Are you an alt for Patrol or are you just trying to behave as if you are?

 

[NervousXtian]

Now it's coming out that Pollock editted the video to make it seem more like Brown left stuff there to pick up later, when the full video shows they put all the stuff away and he left with the weed.

Can't find the non-editted video to confirm though.

 

[sugarhigh4242]

Get rid of the police. They don't exist to protect us. They exist to enforce private property.

 

[Flo_Evans]

To me it seems like he tried to trade some weed for ciggarellos, clerks turned him down, came back later and just took them. Not sure how this really changes anything or is relevant at all to the shooting.

From what I remember Wilson didn't even hear the 911 dispatch about a robbery suspect. He was just regular harassing a random black dude. Brown of course didn't know that Wilson didn't know.

 

[Raven117]

I don't see how this matters one way or another regarding the store.

The question is merely one of facts surrounding when Wilson first made contact with Michael Brown....and what the ballistics report shows.

You can question the validity of ballistic and autopsy reports...sure...but I just don't see how this particularly matters regarding the store.