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Marketing. They sell nvdimm.
Shmunter
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Needs a stick
thelastword
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Lots of patents and bits bearing it's head and crowning, it would appear that Sony is ready for another reveal.....More info is looming...
FranXico
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No more dildo bulb, that's a good thing.
Agnostic2020
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Well this is one of them . We don't know the other one yet . Apparently it has many sensors on the grip
Physiognomonics
Member
There are no sticks ? Those are not better than PS moves.
Thirty7ven
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Is there any truth to Xbox series X having Velocity Engine architecture means they don't need a superfast SSD.
having a low cost SSD will keep the price down and the architecture makes up for it
When I said "Velocity Engine" was a carefully picked name to fight perception, many doubted. But here we are and even though it's always so easy to see through the bullshit, so many people desperately want to believe it.
It even has a fucking logo
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megreotsugua
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So there's no truth to what they said though? That low latency high bandwidth persistent memory will accelerate AI and ML?
Any half-truth to that?
ethomaz
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And people get surprised why PS5 logo got so much success/Apparently the official Xbox series X logo based on trademark filing.
Tell me that is fake please.
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Yup. But i expect, that Lockhart SSD will be same as XsX in terms of speed. Maybe lower capacity.
It would be easier to handle expansion cards, because you can buy same one for Lockhart and also for XsX
Agnostic2020
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This is one of them .stick cam be on the other one . and how they fuck u know these are not better than ps move ? Anything is better than ps move for vr. Ps move was not precise .
Nivek OnlyOn
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If 21 and 22 are haptics? Imagine feeling the wheel in GranTurismo or feeling a door knob?
Vroadstar
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Depends. I.e. it is always good to have a faster storage. But I would suspect that faster ALU is needed for ML.
And I don't see any yet.
Where are all the reduced precision (DNNs do not need any precision) stochastic processing units that run north of 10GHz?
What we see now is a load of crap. And investor's faith in ML dwindled too. Next AI Winter is coming fast.
Agnostic2020
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Look like a deodorant logo for guysApparently the official Xbox series X logo based on trademark filing.
bitbydeath
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Tom warren on next gen:
You just know the MS PR are saying these cause lockhart is gonna be revealed soon
Is MS really throwing XSX under the bus for Lockhart or did someone hack his account?
Agnostic2020
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No they r doing it . Such a weird tactic. They were all about that 17% more TF and now all of a sudden it doesn't matter
FranXico
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Come on guys. That's not what they're doing.No they r doing it . Such a weird tactic. They were all about that 17% more TF and now all of a sudden it doesn't matter
bitbydeath
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It sure looks like what he's doing with the teraflops don't matter comment.
Thirty7ven
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It's just framing. Tom Warren is a sponsored dealer of branded products, in this case the brand he deals is Microsoft.
The joke is on those who put all their chips on a 17% TF difference, the guy is just doing his job.
The joke is on those who put all their chips on a 17% TF difference, the guy is just doing his job.
bitbydeath
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How do you interpret his comment of teraflops aren't as important as CPU and SSD for next-gen?
It's obviously to talk up Lockhart since it is low on teraflops but at the same time kicks XSX down a peg.
3liteDragon
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It's real.
EDIT: Article from 30 minutes ago.
Xbox Series X logo might not be "final imagery" according to Microsoft
Company seemingly confirm the trademark but tell us it's "not indicative of final imagery"
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It's real. It's a logo. Some people like it, others don't. We all know what you would've thought about it before it was revealed.
Nobody says, GPU power isn't important. He just stated, that CPU and SSD are most important advancement because it's just true. Even if you compare slower XsX SSD to HDD you get 30x higher speed. And CPU is also in another league. So of course they are the key. But if you want to have next-gen games at 4K/60 you obviously need TFLOPs too. Of course, not saying, that PS5 don't have enough horsepower.
Also, he is not throwing XsX under the bus. Because Lockhart is different product for different audience. It's like saying, that Apple with announcement of cheap iPhone threw their flagship under the bus. Lockhart is 1080p machine, XsX is 4K machine. Every console have horsepower needed for their target resolution and that's end of story. If you want to game at 4K yo pick XsX, if you don't care about that and want cheaper alternative, you have Lockhart.
I really don't know if it's that complicated...
bitbydeath
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I just think it's odd he would pin them against each other like that. Focus on price instead of dragging down the other.
FranXico
Member
Two products, each with a different target audience.
I think that Lockhart part of the tweet is more about "Lockhart will be a bottlneck of next-gen" concerns. By stating, that CPU and SSD are biggest difference makers in next-gen he is implying, that since Lockhart will have same CPU/SSD it won't cause a trouble in next-gen games. And since Lockhart is targeting different audience and different resolutions, number of TFLOPS is just not important.
bitbydeath
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Still it's bad marketing as you'll no doubt get sites running with teraflops don't matter. You don't attack one product your trying to sell to uplift another.
bitbydeath
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Focusing on price would have been a lot smarter. IMO
Warren is not Microsoft employee. He is not their marketing guy and not their spokesperson.
Don't worry. Microsoft won't talk about TFLOPS in marketing. Phrase "most powerful" for XsX and "most affordable" for Lockhart will be enough
Since Lockhart is not officially announced yet and i doubt that even Warren know it's price, you can't play "price card" yet.
Don't worry. Microsoft will beat it to death once the prices of all system will be announced.
bitbydeath
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I thought he was their marketing guy?
FranXico
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Microsoft doesn't care if one of the products fails as long as one of them succeeds. In their perspective, it isn't bad marketing. They want market control, they don't care about losses.
MisterXDTV
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Well if you read the Windows Central interview with developers yesterday, they kept talking about SSD and fast I/O as the main feature of the next-generation
Now they are releasing a 4TF console.
So the music changed big time since last month
From this:
To this
It's hilarious!
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Sony's Heatsink Patent for the PS5 is Public Now.
When I look at other chips the underside is PACKED with pins/balls and resistors.
How much space will there be in the middle of the chip to put a heatpipe on?
xacto
Member
No they r doing it . Such a weird tactic. They were all about that 17% more TF and now all of a sudden it doesn't matter
The smell of fear. Throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks.
Gamernyc78
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Tht looks like other og move controller just with a slant. The move controller tht allowed you to control movement.
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BluRayHiDef
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Wow, people are still attacking the PlayStation 5.
Agnostic2020
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Ofcourse their fake overlord dealer had fake dev ( hasn't been done games in 7 years and interacts with Tim dog and dealer all the time on twitter)yesterday saying these shit and these guys all buy into (even if they don't they wanna make the videos for the clicks )
Then the dev backtracked everything when someone made a news about it using his name . He understood his mistake
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Gamernyc78
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Well if you read the Windows Central interview with developers yesterday, they kept talking about SSD and fast I/O as the main feature of the next-generation
Now they are releasing a 4TF console.
So the music changed big time since last month
From this:
To this
It's hilarious!
What's baffling (and I guess it's just a crusade to spread fud) is tht some of these so called professionals don't use history as basis for some of their assumptions or posts. He mentioned Sony having to keep up on the software side lol but Sony killed it on the software side of things on PS4 with their own features tht weren't matched "share play" for example and their own version of apis tht matched what Microsoft was doing and in some cases were better at it. Who nowadays is worried about Direct x and Vrs? We know Sony will have the same or something similar. Sony engineers, tech, development and so on don't play. They stay on the money..
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Hawking Radiation
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Well I stopped playing Modern Warfare because spending anymore than a minute in the lobby or in my loadouts pushed my Pros fans to max speed to the point that i started panicking and closed the game.
Even playing Pro Evolution 2020 kicks the fans into damn near max speed when in the menu. I have no idea why almost every game has the fans atleast above 50%.
Took apart the top shell to inspect for dust and found no traces anywhere and my console is in a well ventilated area. Could be thermal paste has given in. Fuck knows.
All I know is I need another console because I hate having to always use my headphones to block the unbearably loud fan noise.
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Thirty7ven
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Being mad at Tom Warren for stanning is like being mad at those dorks on youtube who make a living of Marvel and Star Wars. Don't expect these people to be your source of educated info, come on.
ethomaz
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Yup. sure. Billion dollar company which marketing strategy is "throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks." That sound awfully lot like "Sony panicked after XsX reveal and boosted 9,2TFLOP console to 10,2" that was flying around here...
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Neo Blaster
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Aah, gotta love this FUD...
xacto
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Yup. sure. Billion dollar company which marketing strategy is "throwing stuff at the wall and see what sticks." That sound awfully lot like "Sony panicked after XsX reveal and boosted 9,2TFLOP console to 10,2" that was flying around here...
Please, not "billion dollar company" again, mate, seriously
Darius87
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so what he's saying that actual ps5 gpu is running at 2ghz and upclocking to 2.23ghz hmmm... weird
close to or at 2.23ghz does close means 2ghz?
Agnostic2020
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so what he's saying that actual ps5 gpu is running at 2ghz and upclocking to 2.23ghz hmmm... weird
close to or at 2.23ghz does close means 2ghz?
Do u really believe they care ? They just want to pander to their hardcore xbox fanboy audience and thats what they like to hear not because its true
ZywyPL
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That's what the devs wanted from next-gen consoles, not Cerny's brilliant engineering. This is basically how it all went:
MS/Sony: Devs, what would you like to see in next consoles?
Devs: SSD!
MS: Fine, we will give you an SSD, and what's more - it will be faster than 99.99% drives out there!
Sony: Fine, we will give you an SSD, and what's more - it will be faster than 99.999% drives out there!
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