Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Lunatic_Gamer said:


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dan_of_orion said:
Yeah exactly. MooresLawisDead spoke about this in one of his recent videos and I sort of agree with him, he stated that people don't care as much as they used to a few years ago about resolutions, even more so now that we have 4K and the difference in variable 4K resolutions are negligible. Stable frame-rates are still a big priority in my opinion but I think both consoles won't have a problem having stable frame-rates. I like the fact that Cerny and Co really looked a few years into the future when designing the PS5 and they're trying to take the gaming experience into a new direction with the PS5 and it's SSD. It's a shame because some people may not be able to see the bigger picture till a year or two into next-gen. This is not a dig at Xbox btw I expect amazing things from both consoles.

I'm already feeling spoilt just by hearing the instant load times and instant fast travels of the PS5, I cannot look at some games in the same way anymore nor can I be patient with them. Especially Witcher 3, I really hope it gets a patch so we can play it using the PS5 boost mode.
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I couldn't have said that better and you're right!! I totally forgot about framerate a being a part of gaming we'd also instantly notice 👍. I am also going through current gen "hell" plying Division 2 (one of my favorites) and my god the loading and PS4 system crashes with that game....drives me insane....I cannot wait for that SSD at the very least.
 
Thirty7ven said:
Holy hell. I've always used rest mode on the PS4 and I feel like a jackass now.
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PS4 rest mode "only" uses 10W of power, while Xbox Instant On is using 15W. So that would only be 25 EUR in your case.
 
X-Fighter said:
So we got new Assassin's Creed information coming out at 12:00 GMT? Apparently the PS5 version of the game
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Hopefully, the new generation will make me want to play yet another Assassin's Creed game; this generation I liked more Unity and Syndicate than Origins and Odyssey... for me, the last two entries were a clear example that more is not actually better.
 
X-Fighter said:
How did it work this gen? Using RAM? I always turn off the "instant on" mode of my Xbox because it costs 40 EUR a year in power.
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The SSD is so fast that you could turn it completltly off and still have very fast start up from a saved state.

The big advantage with "Instant on" was that it downloaded stuff in this state. Dont play for three days and then come back for a quick game - 1 Gb patch.

So - you could power the consoles off and it would start and resume very fast but it will not download while shut off.
 
xacto said:
Hopefully, the new generation will make me want to play yet another Assassin's Creed game; this generation I liked more Unity and Syndicate than Origins and Odyssey... for me, the last two entries were a clear example that more is not actually better.
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Bit the other way around for me. Never finished Unity, while Origins I played it for the full 100%, although I have to say I like those grind games. A lot was very similar, just more powerful enemies.
 
X-Fighter said:
PS4 rest mode "only" uses 10W of power, while Xbox Instant On is using 15W. So that would only be 25 EUR in your case.
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Still too much. Somehow I thought the footprint amounted to less than a euro a month. Not that I had a reason to believe it, I just did LoL what a dumbass.

25 euros is almost a year worth of psplus, or a good game at discount.
 
Thirty7ven said:
Still too much. Somehow I thought the footprint amounted to less than a euro a month. Not that I had a reason to believe it, I just did LoL what a dumbass.

25 euros is almost a year worth of psplus, or a good game at discount.
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Yeah, that's what I thought too, but maybe electricity is also cheaper where you are living. You can make that calculation easily yourself.

87.6kWh * [ELECTRICITY_PRICE_PER_kWh] => Cost per year

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B_Boss said:
Wait....you guys pay for using sleep mode or something?
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On PS4 it's called "rest mode", on Xbox One "instant on", and yes you pay for it. It consumes more power compared to turning it off completely.
 
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ANIMAL1975 said:
But they are both 4k capable systems, the extra power of XSX means that they can go above that, means that the SeriesX has the budget for the games to go above native 4k... it's a 12tf GPU! _ people are forgetting that, or just not seeing it, and predicting games below 4k on PS5 when comparing both, when what they should be doing is upping the XSX resolution or graphics (whatever the devs will choose with the extra power).
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Why would you go above 4K? I don't see any reason to make games in higher resolution right now. Higher framerate maybe, for VR but then it's just the Playstation thing because Xbox doesn't even have VR. I also doubt devs will use XSX as a reference platform because Xbox has around 20% of the market. It simply isn't economically viable, no matter if you scale up or down.

Thirty7ven said:
Holy hell. I've always used rest mode on the PS4 and I feel like a jackass now.
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I used this calculator and with 0.15 EUR per 1 kWh it gave me around 13 EUR/year for using standby. That's roughly 1 EUR a month. I'm okay with this. It's not only convenient and faster to jump back into your game but you don't waste time for patches and updates. My entertainment time is worth much more than that.
 
Lunatic_Gamer said:


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Newly onboard with Psnow and luv it. Streaming always worked good for me even back then with a 50 MB CONNECTION (now I have I gig fios) but price was too high. That Psnow part has me super interested!!!!

Yeah but this dude has no good track record. Fucking clout chasers. We shall see.
 
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X-Fighter said:
Yeah, that's what I thought too, but maybe electricity is also cheaper where you are living. You can make that calculation easily yourself.

87.6kWh * [ELECTRICITY_PRICE_PER_kWh] => Cost per year

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FeiRR said:
I used this calculator and with 0.15 EUR per 1 kWh it gave me around 13 EUR/year for using standby. That's roughly 1 EUR a month. I'm okay with this. It's not only convenient and faster to jump back into your game but you don't waste time for patches and updates. My entertainment time is worth much more than that.
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I had to check how much I pay for kWh, and yeah sleep mode will cost me 14 EUR/year. Not too bad.

The jumping back into the game is a hit or miss for me because I play a lot of MP with friends so I switch games quite a bit. The thing I like the most is the patching, updating, because it sucks to boot a game and having to wait for that.

Gamernyc78 said:
Newly onboard with Psnow and luv it. Streaming always worked good for me even back then with a 50 MB CONNECTION (now I have I gig fios) but price was too high. That Psnow part has me super interested!!!!

Yeah but this dude has no good track record. Fucking clout chasers. We shall see.
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The streaming works surprisingly well but I have an extremely low ping connection. The game selection is terrible though and they really need to expand the offering mid tier games that your average gamers is more unlikely to buy instead of adding stuff like Fallout 4 and Spiderman....
 
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FeiRR said:
I used this calculator and with 0.15 EUR per 1 kWh it gave me around 13 EUR/year for using standby. That's roughly 1 EUR a month. I'm okay with this. It's not only convenient and faster to jump back into your game but you don't waste time for patches and updates. My entertainment time is worth much more than that.
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Thirty7ven said:
I had to check how much I pay for kWh, and yeah sleep mode will cost me 14 EUR/year. Not too bad.

The jumping back into the game is a hit or miss for me because I play a lot of MP with friends so I switch games quite a bit. The thing I like the most is the patching, updating, because it sucks to boot a game and having to wait for that.
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0.15€/kWh would be a dream. I have to pay ~0,25€/kWh (normal is like 0,27-0,29€/kWh) and that is one of the cheapest providers and therefore I turned off all the instant on/sleep mode modes, whatever they are called in all devices....
 
Thirty7ven said:
I had to check how much I pay for kWh, and yeah sleep mode will cost me 14 EUR/year. Not too bad.

The jumping back into the game is a hit or miss for me because I play a lot of MP with friends so I switch games quite a bit. The thing I like the most is the patching, updating, because it sucks to boot a game and having to wait for that.



The streaming works surprisingly well but I have an extremely low ping connection. The game selection is terrible though and they really need to expand the offering mid tier games that your average gamers is more unlikely to buy instead of adding stuff like Fallout 4 and Spiderman....
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It works for me. I'm a day one purchaser of all the blockbuster games that I feel I want to play. PsNow has been a goldmine for me as I never bought games such as Prey, Xcom, has tons of fighting games I like but would never pay for besides Mortal Kombat and Street fighter. And ohhhhh idk how I never played it but I'm enjoying Dark Cloud 2. I rather Sony not put new AAA games on the service day one or so fast because I don't want the output of AAA games to diminish on Sony's end because initial sales are taking a hit. Thts just how I think.

All things are pointing to what I said over a year ago and other posters thoughts about game pass. Most games being created as fillers with lower budgets and I don't want that for Sony. Even Microsoft execs have made comments to that effect in regards to AAA, AA games future.
 
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Gamernyc78 said:
It works for me. I'm a day one purchaser of all the blockbuster games that I feel I want to play. PsNow has been a goldmine for me as I never bought games such as Prey, Xcom, has tons of fighting games I like but would never pay for besides Mortal Kombat and Street fighter. And ohhhhh idk how I never played it but I'm enjoying Dark Cloud 2. I rather Sony not put new AAA games on the service day one or so fast because I don't want the output of AAA games to diminish on Sony's end because initial sales are taking a hit. Thts just how I think.
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Prey and Xcom are two of the very best games of the generation. Have fun.
 
X-Fighter said:
How did it work this gen? Using RAM? I always turn off the "instant on" mode of my Xbox because it costs 40 EUR a year in power.
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Thirty7ven said:
Holy hell. I've always used rest mode on the PS4 and I feel like a jackass now.
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"On average, it will cost $10.64 to keep a PlayStation 4 on in Rest Mode for an entire year in the USA. To get an exact number for year area, just take 87.6kWh and multiply it by your electricity rate. " Calculated with 10W which is max if usb controller charging is on.

0.01kWh * 24 * 365 = 87.6kWh in year



Here electricity costs around 4,5 cents / kWh = 3,9 €/year

How the heck xbox would consume 40€ / year? if it uses 15W = 5,9€/year

Must have heck of expensive electricity in your country.

I personally pay 6e/month and have no limits of power consuming, but usually electricity cost around 4,5 cents/kilowatt hour
 
husomc said:
I was under the impression that the additional DDR3 RAM and ARM processor were there for the continuous video recording and background downloads in standby mode
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It could be be but maybe they faced issues? Because the recording is done by the APU if I'm not wrong.

It is weird because not even the PS4 hackers (that have full access to system and can install homebrew and even Linux) knows what that processor and DDR3 does.

I will try to find more info.
 
FeiRR said:
Why would you go above 4K? I don't see any reason to make games in higher resolution right now. Higher framerate maybe, for VR but then it's just the Playstation thing because Xbox doesn't even have VR. I also doubt devs will use XSX as a reference platform because Xbox has around 20% of the market. It simply isn't economically viable, no matter if you scale up or down.
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I was agreeing with you.
You missed the point:
they both have the power for native 4k,
XSX being more powerful means that it has the budget for more (up to devs) _ not that XSX will be 4k and ps5 under, like people have been predicting when comparing both.
Wasn't that what you were saying or asking why?
 
ANIMAL1975 said:
I was agreeing with you.
You missed the point:
they both have the power for native 4k,
XSX being more powerful means that it has the budget for more (up to devs) _ not that XSX will be 4k and ps5 under, like people have been predicting when comparing both.
Wasn't that what you were saying or asking why?
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Devs always find a way to make a GPU insufficient for the task. Look at the Gow Tactics. In the DF analysis the 2080ti has to use dynamic resolution and such to ensure performance. I'm pretty sure that a next gen title will bring both GPUs to their knees. And then the SX will have more pixels than the PS5. Say 1800 vs 1650.
 
ethomaz said:
It could be be but maybe they faced issues? Because the recording is done by the APU if I'm not wrong.

It is weird because not even the PS4 hackers (that have full access to system and can install homebrew and even Linux) knows what that processor and DDR3 does.

I will try to find more info.
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I remember something like Sony saying in the beginning, that the ARM Co-Processor and separate RAM pool is intended for downloading/installing game patches when the console is in standby, so that the main SOC can be off. But I think it was never used for that..
 
Radical_3d said:
Devs always find a way to make a GPU insufficient for the task.
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By adding too much unnecessary bling, something that most people won't notice.

Radical_3d said:
Look at the Gow Tactics. In the DF analysis the 2080ti has to use dynamic resolution and such to ensure performance.
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Wow. I didn't believe you so went and looked it up. What on earth?! How did they manage th... oh wait. Answered my own question above.

Radical_3d said:
I'm pretty sure that a next gen title will bring both GPUs to their knees.
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Well, we saw what Sony's first party studios are able to do with the PS4, so fingers crossed the PS5 will perform incredibly well.
 
bhunachicken said:
By adding too much unnecessary bling, something that most people won't notice.



Wow. I didn't believe you so went and looked it up. What on earth?! How did they manage th... oh wait. Answered my own question above.



Well, we saw what Sony's first party studios are able to do with the PS4, so fingers crossed the PS5 will perform incredibly well.
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Nobody doubts that the first party PS5 output will be Pixar level. Hell, PS4 is already Pixar level. It'll be mind blowing. I'm team Sony but to think that the next AC won't run better in the SX is naive. Not that I'd buy an AC without pirates.
 
ANIMAL1975 said:
I was agreeing with you.
You missed the point:
they both have the power for native 4k,
XSX being more powerful means that it has the budget for more (up to devs) _ not that XSX will be 4k and ps5 under, like people have been predicting when comparing both.
Wasn't that what you were saying or asking why?
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I didn't write anything like that. I think both consoles will be more than enough for 4K@60 FPS. Except for really bad engines/ports, of course. Those always happen.
bhunachicken said:
Fun fact: your average household microwave oven uses more electricity a year powering the clock than it does heating food.
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Same with chargers plugged in all the time. But the real killer is fridge: over 90% of your yearly consumption.

Radical_3d said:
Devs always find a way to make a GPU insufficient for the task. Look at the Gow Tactics. In the DF analysis the 2080ti has to use dynamic resolution and such to ensure performance. I'm pretty sure that a next gen title will bring both GPUs to their knees. And then the SX will have more pixels than the PS5. Say 1800 vs 1650.
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It's an isometric tactical game... Well, seems that the dev studio which is behind this game isn't that good then.
 
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Resolution and framerate are trade offs depending on what the developer aims to accomplish.

I don't think Silent Hill game would benefit from 60 FPS as opposed to better graphics.
 
marvifrom said:
People in Argentina pay about $8-$10 a month for Electricity?


Is this Legit?
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Yes, seems about right. I pay like $10uds a month. It scales with the amount you consume though.. In summer people in the north pays more cause air conditioning. Electricity for stores and business is more expensive. Because taxes everything else is more expensive I expect ps5 to be between $600 and $1000 here.
 
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dan_of_orion said:
I'm already feeling spoilt just by hearing the instant load times and instant fast travels of the PS5, I cannot look at some games in the same way anymore nor can I be patient with them. Especially Witcher 3, I really hope it gets a patch so we can play it using the PS5 boost mode.
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Yeah I'm really hoping Sony comes big with BC goodness; I found their vague statements semi concerning.. but only because I have a big PS4 backlog that I recently decided should be a "boosted on PS5 backlog" lol
 
FeiRR said:
How is that vague?
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Because the only statement they actually made about games playable at launch still is about a portion of the top 100 games. Beyond that they said they've tested games, but didn't indicate what that means about play-ability at launch.

As opposed to MS who said thousands playable day one; which.. doesn't help me.. I have no Xbox backlog.

Don't get me wrong, I think Sony will quite possibly have hundreds or thousands of games playable at launch, but just wish they'd make a statement like MS. I think their statements probably apply to a boost mode, that most or all will be BC without it, that they'll unveil more details soon, etc. But they haven't actually said what is playable at launch other than the majority of the top 100 games.
 
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Re: BC they really did explain it in a complex and tortured way. My simplified version until further notice:

Top 100 PS4 games = Expected to work fine at boosted PS5 clocks
4,000+ PS4 games = 90%+ will work 'as is' in PS4 legacy mode

Games that work in 'boosted' mode will be added/patched in an ongoing manner after launch.

That is how I understand it for now.
 
Radical_3d said:
Devs always find a way to make a GPU insufficient for the task. Look at the Gow Tactics. In the DF analysis the 2080ti has to use dynamic resolution and such to ensure performance. I'm pretty sure that a next gen title will bring both GPUs to their knees. And then the SX will have more pixels than the PS5. Say 1800 vs 1650.
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I saw DFs video too and also I played that game yesterday... I have a i7-6700 and a GTX1070 and I play this game at 1440p resolution with only dynamic shadows at high and everything turned on and at highest settings and my PC can run it at 90% at the resolution at 60fps and my pc is just a quad core CPU and okayish GPU, but GPU utilization is at 100% all the time
 
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Sony bakes BC into the hardware, and people doubt it will support more than 100 games, a number which was clearly about games that at the moment support boost mode.
 
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