Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Dang it!
Hope it´s not true : 4 June 2020
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Damn, May hasn't even arrived and I already lost all the hype I've got yesterday, thanks to this and the OPM clickbait(again).
 
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Well...they better prepare to spend something for the extra SSD👌.



Nope, still alive and well though my goodness lol...now SonGoku SonGoku himself has been perma banned....I actually have the ban page bookmarked and it's almost scary checking it at least once a day...you just never know who's going to do or say something stupid to get themselves cut.

At this point the only train crashing are those members who violate rules and burn themselves. They hype train definitely remains 🍻.
Shit why was he permed?

Just as an aside to all this, preeeetty sure "The Last Samurai" is Ken Watanabe's character. Tom Cruise does not become a Samurai in that movie, he just learns about their ways and fights beside them. It always gets to me that people that see that movie don't get that.
Exactly.
 
Do you how works the DDR3 memory which exists in PS4 and PS4 pro ?
Only the Pro has DDR3, the PS4 doesn't. The Pro has 1GB of DDR3 for apps only, not for games. It exists in order to free 0.5GB of GDDR5 that was reserved for apps so games can use it.

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actually, let me correct myself, there are also 256MB of DDR3 in both the PS4 and Pro for the ARM processor which is used for the OS. But none of the DDR3 in the PS4 or Pro is used for games.
 
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Ok serious question here, who pre-ordered TLOU2 before the new date was announced and still haven't gotten a refund yet? Because I still haven't and now it says I'm not eligible to pre-order the game.
What's the point of pre-ordering a digital game? It is not gonna be sold out. Just buy it one day before release and pre load it if you internet is slow.
 
I don't know what to think, isn't he more a Sony fan?
Why would he do that shit? Hard to know without the all story. Ty mates.

Well I'm not sure which platform he prefers but yeah, no idea about the circumstances surrounding his actions and thinking when it came to the act. Bummer, and anytime.
 
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I've been thinking lately, one of the things Sony could to to show the strengths of their console and also show that it's not the "weaker" console, is simply show to the public what Cerny called "The Dream of the SSD". I mean, if they managed to achieve the dream the console will boot instantly and the load times will be non existent. Just imagine, when the console reveal happens they show the console booting up in like 4-5 seconds, and we will see what the UI looks like for the first time maybe with some games already in it (could be some PS4 games), then a game is started and loads instantly, then they go back to the UI and start another game that also loads instantly.
This way they could show something that differentiates them from the competition, while also making people talk about how the console is lightning fast. As crazy as it may sound I know people that associate fast with powerful, so that's what Sony could do to turn that misconception around.
 
Move on from the meta in this thread and get it back on topic.

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we have lost our leader. let us grieve lol
 
Oh my sweet summer child...



You bother because you want your opinion validated as gospel and everyone who dares to challenge the narrative has to be dismissed quickly.
Yeah not really, "challenge the narrative" wow that sounds like a teenager thinks he is the only one who really sees the world as it is.

If someone give a reason to show me I am incorrect I accept I am not child that already happened here in this forum before but for the same reason I
know when doesn't matter what is says the other person never is going change is opinion or vision of the world.

Of course I can continue with that topic but in the end this thread doesn't has a main reason that topic. Also you basically you did the fallacy
Argument from silence, I love to discuss but only if the conversation will advance and its the correct place.
 
Only the Pro has DDR3, the PS4 doesn't. The Pro has 1GB of DDR3 for apps only, not for games. It exists in order to free 0.5GB of GDDR5 that was reserved for apps so games can use it.

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actually, let me correct myself, there are also 256MB of DDR3 in both the PS4 and Pro for the ARM processor which is used for the OS. But none of the DDR3 in the PS4 or Pro is used for games.
So that DDR3 can be use without affect the bandwidth of the GDDR5 right? And we knew this of PS4 if I remember correctly after the release with the first teardowns and for Pro
we knew about the extra DDR3 few time before of the release.
https://www.polygon.com/2016/10/21/13358416/ps4-pro-extra-ram-memory

So is not so crazy to believe Sony will follow a similar approach in PS5 maybe using DDR4 for only the OS which will give more memory for Devs.

Yes I know this pure speculation but it is based on a recent history.
 
Is this a joke right?
No is not joke sorry for not know everything, I know exists that inside both is not a secret and is for OS but I just was theorizing
if Sony can use a similar approach to free more memory and helping in the same time the bandwidth of memory in PS5 .
 
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No is not joke sorry for not know everything, I know exists that inside both is not a secret and is for OS but I just was theorizing
if Sony can use a similar approach to free more memory and helping in the same time the bandwidth of memory in PS5 .
It is fine.
I was not trying to criticize you... just I thought it was really a joke.

PS4 APU doesn't have addiction DDR3 access... it only can use 8GB GDDR5.

There is 256MB (2Gb) DDR3 specific for the custom ASIC processor called SCEI but I have no ideia for what it is but it is definitvally not used by APU (OS and games).

PS4 Pro added 1GB DDR3 to be used as swap (virtual memory) where half of it can store OS data and other half game data freed up the GDDR5 memory up to 1GB (513MB to each OS and games).

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That's the past, focus on the now. In the past Blizzard was unbeatable, look at where they are now. Even EA was brilliant 20 years ago, and look at them now. TLoU was made by different people, with different leadership, at different times. Nothing is a given and lasts forever.

Not disagreeing that it's possible, but you're comparing apples/oranges. EA/Blizzard are enormous publishers/developers with a lot of fluidity inside their orgs (especially Blizzard the past 10 years).

ND as a developer has had consistent leadership and is only ever focused on one, maybe two projects at one time.

Focusing on the now, ND is as strong as it has been and I don't think you could find a more consistent developer aside from maybe Rockstar:

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It is fine.
I was not trying to criticize you... just I thought it was really a joke.

PS4 APU doesn't have addiction DDR3 access... it only can use 8GB GDDR5.

There is 2GB DDR3 specific for the custom ASIC processor called SCEI but I have no ideia for what it is but it is definitvally not used by APU (OS and games).

PS4 Pro added 1GB DDR3 to be used as swap (virtual memory) where half of it can store OS data and other half game data freed up the GDDR5 memory up to 1GB (513MB to each OS and games).
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what about ray traced manly pecs and butt muscles. I want them to have jiggle physics too. It would be hot if they made a bayonetta type of game ,.....with all the dance moves, gymnastics, poses, with a MAN.

heheheh
 
The 20 tflops in my opinion will be possible with the mid gen "PS5 Pro" and "XSX Next" consoles, if they do as on this generation.
My question is why would they do a mid gen GPU update. We know they did one this gen for 4k gaming and not to increase graphical fidelity but resolution. So what would the extra GPU power be for.
 
Very interesting comment by Matt at era for those who think devs won't use the extra 2TF on XSX :)

Matt: "
The graphic differences in general won't be imperceptible. They will exist, and most people will be able to see them. They will just be more modest than the difference between the PS4 and One, or the Pro and the X.

If someone wants to buy the console with the strongest GPU and CPU, well that choice is very clear..."
 
Very interesting comment by Matt at era for those who think devs won't use the extra 2TF on XSX :)

Matt: "
The graphic differences in general won't be imperceptible. They will exist, and most people will be able to see them. They will just be more modest than the difference between the PS4 and One, or the Pro and the X.

If someone wants to buy the console with the strongest GPU and CPU, well that choice is very clear..."
More modest than those between the Ps4 and Xbox One, Pro and One X? So we won't be able to notice much? I'm sort of confused and Matt and other "insiders" keep coming up with vague and contradictory statements.
 
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More modest than those between the Ps4 and Xbox One, Pro and One X? So we won't be able to notice much? I'm sort pf confused and Matt and other "insiders" keep coming up with vague and contradictory statements.

I agree. Saying "most people will be able to see the difference" but then saying the difference will be less than that between the Pro and One X or the PS4 and XBO? That ridiculous. Look, the biggest difference was PS4 versus XBO and that was with what...some games doing like 900p instead of "full HD?" Nobody could tell the difference with their eyes even then! Had to watch DF videos to count the blades of grass or zoom in enough to see the 'jaggies.' Just dumb statements. It's like these folks are being paid to shill for one side or the other but also just can't QUITE step away from telling the truth either. Silliness.

Bottom line, let's see the games and demos. I'll be surprised if there is ANY difference you can just tell with your eyes....unless you've already convinced yourself that is. Confirmation bias is STRONG. I'm betting it will be up to esoteric DF videos once again. Frankly, I hoped there would BE no difference as that kind of arguing about a blade of grass drives me nuts. I almost WISH there was enough of a disparity to clearly be shown, just so that all the debates wouldn't be so pointless. But pointless debates is likely where we're headed. Great googly-moogly!
 
Very interesting comment by Matt at era for those who think devs won't use the extra 2TF on XSX :)

Matt: "
The graphic differences in general won't be imperceptible. They will exist, and most people will be able to see them. They will just be more modest than the difference between the PS4 and One, or the Pro and the X.

If someone wants to buy the console with the strongest GPU and CPU, well that choice is very clear..."

He's saying what most level headed people have already said. There's a difference, it's small, significantly less of a difference than PS4 - Xbox one. But I don't think anybody is actually arguing that devs won't use the 2TF extra...
 
I agree. Saying "most people will be able to see the difference" but then saying the difference will be less than that between the Pro and One X or the PS4 and XBO? That ridiculous. Look, the biggest difference was PS4 versus XBO and that was with what...some games doing like 900p instead of "full HD?" Nobody could tell the difference with their eyes even then! Had to watch DF videos to count the blades of grass or zoom in enough to see the 'jaggies.' Just dumb statements. It's like these folks are being paid to shill for one side or the other but also just can't QUITE step away from telling the truth either. Silliness.


But what he's saying is true. Imperceptible would mean you couldn't see them, but of course in H2H comparisons you will see differences.

He's making perfect sense, he's just not saying what many people want to hear, one way or another.
 
He's saying what most level headed people have already said. There's a difference, it's small, significantly less of a difference than PS4 - Xbox one. But I don't think anybody is actually arguing that devs won't use the 2TF extra...
Idk who "most of people" he's referring to. I don't miss an episode of Digital Foundry and in many cases I struggle to see differences at normal view distance lately. I guess "most of people" are more hardcore than me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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