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The DF videos are part of his job. Maybe he considers his social media presence separate from it.

Maybe. My point is why did he jump in on that Twitter convo with a Tweet like that?

As someone that might be in the know he could've calmly explained why he didn't believe it possible RDNA3 features are in these console APUs.

In this thread a few of us have raised the possibility that future AMD roadmap features can be in these APUs well in advance as shown with PS4/Pro. That's it.

If none make it in then no biggy.
 
RDNA3 is not supposed to be properly released until 2022, and neither Sony nor AMD has said anything about the GPU having special features that will be available on all GPU's in the future and part of RDNA3. So why would this suddenly be the case? Is it out of the possibility? No. Is it extremely unlikely? Yes. Which is why Alex said it was madness, and just a bit ridiculous for people to think that the GPU would have features not available for 2 years, while it is confirmed that it's an RDNA2 GPU, a technology that AMD won't release until the end of this year.


Yeah this will completely derail his career, because he's saying the truth and that people are being mad (as in madness).
Sony already announced exclusive hardware features in PS5 GPU with the cache scrubbers. So PS5 already has extra features (hardware, not software features) more advanced than anything in RDNA2. So why would alex be surprised about PS5 having extra features ? It's very odd.
 
Yeah this will completely derail his career, because he's saying the truth and that people are being mad (as in madness).

When he get accused of fanboysm, people will point that. 'Fanboys fightning over stupid FUD have nothing to do with him'. He can easily avoid all this.
 
Sony already announced exclusive hardware features in PS5 GPU with the cache scrubbers. So PS5 already has extra features (hardware, not software features) more advanced than anything in RDNA2. So why would alex be surprised about PS5 having extra features ? It's very odd.
These over the top reactions are really strange.
It's very simple to explain that it doesn't sound feasible in this case due to the time frame - RDNA3 is 2 years down the line.
But comparing this kind of speculation to MisterXMedia fantasies is ridiculous.
 
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Isn't fp16 a really special case because the feature existed for long but was only cut from professional card until 5thg gen?
 
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Sony already announced exclusive hardware features in PS5 GPU with the cache scrubbers. So PS5 already has extra features (hardware, not software features) more advanced than anything in RDNA2. So why would alex be surprised about PS5 having extra features ? It's very odd.
this has been explained like a 100 times in the past 4-5 pages, like I said it doesn't fit peoples narrative that the PS5 has a weak GPU or whatever so they get mad. I mean make a reasonable arguement, I don't have a problem but you can easily tell when it's fanboy getting triggered.
 
He was tagged and asked to weigh in, so he responded by saying people are ridiculous in believing this secret sauce stuff. That's MisterXMedia level of secret sauce believing.

Didn't Mister X make claims that the X1 would have an additional GPU in the power supply?

I don't think that suggesting that the PS5 might have some RDNA3 features is as crazy as that.
 
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Hey all I'm new here, and will be 'attempting' to stay balanced in my comments ;)
Hasn't Chris Grannell also claimed that PS5 had no RT, and its been mentioned here on this thread that the dev(s) behind Quantum Error have already falsified that claim. The QE dev said something like they'll be using 100% RT. So doesn't this throw the validity of what Chris had 'claimed to have said' into question?!?
I'm not arguing his validity. I'm saying those saying since he does not have a devkit he has no inside info. For all I know he could very well be wrong. Look at all the insider information that came out before the Sony presentation.
 
Didn't Mister X make claims that the X1 would have an additional GPU in the power supply?

I don't think that suggesting that the PS5 might have some RDNA3 features is as crazy as that.

I think misterx was only the dgpu theorist. But a GPU in the power supply sounds like something he would say.

Did anyone ever find out who he was/is?
 
Lmao It's kinda sad seeing RedGamingTech having to explain himself on Twitter to Xbox fanboys over the RDNA 3 comments, they're going ballistic at him😂
 
That's not my point, what I'm saying is that if you're going to show the speed of velocity engine, you go for your best case scenario, an unoptimized demo is far from that.

but its for next gen games, current gen games are coded in certain way so while we have an increase in loading unless developers are going to go back and adjust their code to work with the velocity engine you wont see next gen speeds.
 
Didn't Mister X make claims that the X1 would have an additional GPU in the power supply?

I don't think that suggesting that the PS5 might have some RDNA3 features is as crazy as that.
PS4 had onion bit + 8 ACEs instead of 2
Pro had FP16 RPM + primitive discard (both released one year later in Vega) + ID Buffer (exclusive to Pro)
PS5 GPU has already confirmed caches scrubbers (maybe exclusive like ID Bufffer) and now people are acting surprised and can't believe some additional RDNA3 features ?
 
Lmao It's kinda sad seeing RedGamingTech having to explain himself on Twitter to Xbox fanboys over the RDNA 3 comments, they're going ballistic at him😂
They're getting pissed at him over something that happens naturally in AMD collaborations (XSX probably has useful new features too). It literally does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
 
He is not a former developer. He is a former game designer.
And game designer is a different role, usually not so much involved with technical aspects and technology itself.
He is a developer in that he develops games. Don't argue pointless semantics. Is an artist for a game a developer? Sure. Now if I said software developer you may have a point. Again, none of this invalidates the points I've made. If you think he is spouting misinformation fine. You could very well be correct. But we don't need lies and partial truth being pushed to undercut what someone has said.
 
Microsoft is a company that develops "software". I don't see Microsoft collaborating with AMD to develop Hardware, much less the software for that new Hardware. If you have not even had the decency to bother to properly customize DX12U for XSX and have opted to use the generic version designed for PC.

Hold on a sec, now you're spreading FUD dude. MS have explicitly mentioned they've made customizations to DX12U that are specific to the XSX. There are customizations to BCPack and mesh shading support only present on XSX.

Now I honestly have to question your other statements because that info I just referred to is public knowledge. Kind of surprised you did not hear of it whatsoever, maybe you just forgot 🤷‍♂️

I hate to put it that way, but you went kind of out-of-pocket with that take.

Fortunately, I don't pay any, I say what I see, if you don't like what I say, I'll go to sleep just as calmly. I think self-deception is for the weak. Although it is true that if Microsoft had continued betting on VR perhaps it could say more positive things about it.

They..just literally had the guy from the Xcloud division move to the VR/AR department. So again, more FUD on your part. This is why I took insider claims during speculation with a grain of salt. It's too easy to spot these kind of inconsistencies now.

Future PC GPU = RDNA3+.

Furthermore with the final part I quoted he alludes that the changes made on PS5 has created even further efficiencies along both the GPU and CU than what is standard for RDNA2.

No, that was still inference on your part. If it wasn't explicitly stated, then it wasn't explicitly stated. It's that simple.
 
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PS4 had onion bit + 8 ACEs instead of 2
Pro had FP16 RPM + primitive discard (both released one year later in Vega) + ID Buffer (exclusive to Pro)
PS5 GPU has already confirmed caches scrubbers (maybe exclusive like ID Bufffer) and now people are acting surprised and can't believe some additional RDNA3 features ?

I stated before that I believe the Series X could have some RDNA3 features as well. Nobody should be surprised if this happens.

With that said I don't like how some people are twisting this speculation to say that the PS5 has RDNA3 architecture. Nobody is saying that here except those who want to ridicule the more sensible speculation.

And there's alot that hasn't been confirmed yet for either system so there could be some additional surprises awaiting us in the future. Like for example the operating system and the features that they have.
 
They're getting pissed at him over something that happens naturally in AMD collaborations (XSX probably has useful new features too). It literally does not mean much in the grand scheme of things.
Exactly my thoughts, Sony have done this in the past. People are treating it like it's outside the realms of reason. The next-gen discourse has been weird for sure.
 
but its for next gen games, current gen games are coded in certain way so while we have an increase in loading unless developers are going to go back and adjust their code to work with the velocity engine you wont see next gen speeds.
You're still missing the point, for the sake of best case scenario for marketing purposes, they should have optimized that demo.
 
Curious to see how the PS5's OS works, I remember NX_Gamer said that with the PS5's SSD speed, Sony can cache the OS in the SSD instead of the RAM thus freeing up more space for devs to utilise the RAM. Seem's interesting
 
And there's alot that hasn't been confirmed yet for either system so there could be some additional surprises awaiting us in the future. Like for example the operating system and the features that they have.
That's pretty much all that's left as far as surprises go. Hardware specs are all known now.
 
RDNA3 is not supposed to be properly released until 2022, and neither Sony nor AMD has said anything about the GPU having special features that will be available on all GPU's in the future and part of RDNA3. So why would this suddenly be the case? Is it out of the possibility? No. Is it extremely unlikely? Yes. Which is why Alex said it was madness, and just a bit ridiculous for people to think that the GPU would have features not available for 2 years, while it is confirmed that it's an RDNA2 GPU, a technology that AMD won't release until the end of this year.


Yeah this will completely derail his career, because he's saying the truth and that people are being mad (as in madness).

I'm not sure amd and Sony would talk about it yet if there was anything to it I mean amd work with both Sony and ms and each one of them want's to have the best console there's gotta be some secrets involving these consoles .
 
Lmao It's kinda sad seeing RedGamingTech having to explain himself on Twitter to Xbox fanboys over the RDNA 3 comments, they're going ballistic at him😂

i am reading it now.
Just the slight thought of something that your favourite piece of plastic might not have is almost deemed as sacrilege. lol, Seriously these people are fanatical.
 
You're still missing the point, for the sake of best case scenario for marketing purposes, they should have optimized that demo.

Why, if every game is not going to be optimised they will be selling a lie. That presentation was for current xbox one owners to show how their purchased games will run on the series x.
 
I stated before that I believe the Series X could have some RDNA3 features as well. Nobody should be surprised if this happens.

With that said I don't like how some people are twisting this speculation to say that the PS5 has RDNA3 architecture. Nobody is saying that here except those who want to ridicule the more sensible speculation.

And there's alot that hasn't been confirmed yet for either system so there could be some additional surprises awaiting us in the future. Like for example the operating system and the features that they have.

This seems like a sensible approach. Personally I'm just going to say neither system has RDNA3 features for now, that way if it turns out either or both do, I can seem surprised :D

It would be neat if they do, but again they won't be as efficient as proper RDNA3 given the process node differences. It probably wouldn't too much in the end however.

Curious to see how the PS5's OS works, I remember NX_Gamer said that with the PS5's SSD speed, Sony can cache the OS in the SSD instead of the RAM thus freeing up more space for devs to utilise the RAM. Seem's interesting

Personally still iffy on this idea in practice, since there are a lot of services and utilities the system needs to keep in RAM for the OS to function properly. If it's caching the OS every single time something isn't needed, that'll add up in write operations and thus wear down the cell integrity of the NAND.

Now it'd be cool to see if that type of caching is utilized for data in the RAM that's the product of multiple operations of different sets of data, that way the product can just be brought back from the SSD instead of reopening the data used to generate the product and recalculating all of that again. I'd imagine a portion of the SSD would be reserved to that type of stuff.
 
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This seems like a sensible approach. Personally I'm just going to say neither system has RDNA3 features for now, that way if it turns out either or both do, I can seem surprised :D

It would be neat if they do, but again they won't be as efficient as proper RDNA3 given the process node differences. It probably wouldn't too much in the end however.

Definitely. I haven't seen anything that states that it's impossible. Pretty sure nobody would be unhappy if they did have some RDNA3 features.
 
This thread is the same

i am not sure about that, i have seen a lot of good discussions go on in these threads, yes their is the typical trolling or fanboy over the top bullshit, but most threads i see here are discussed with honest intentions.

But maybe that is just me, i like to see the best in people normally.
 
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i am not sure about that, i have seen a lot of good discussions go on in these threads, yes their is the typical trolling or fanboy over the top bullshit, but most threads i see here are discussed with honest intentions.

But maybe that is just me, i like to see the best in people normally.
I guess you see what you want to see
 
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I guess you see what you want to see

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Pretty much goes for everyone and their bias. People will interpret information the way that they want to. Sometimes their interpretation is correct other times it's wrong.

But if there's one thing that people have difficulty with is admitting when they're wrong about something.

Speaking in general terms of course.
 
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I guess you see what you want to see
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Pretty much goes for everyone and their bias. People will interpret information the way that they want to. Sometimes their interpretation is correct other times it's wrong.

But if there's one thing that people have difficulty with is admitting when their wrong about something.

Speaking in general terms of course.

True
 
i am not sure about that, i have seen a lot of good discussions go on in these threads, yes their is the typical trolling or fanboy over the top bullshit, but most threads i see here are discussed with honest intentions.

But maybe that is just me, i like to see the best in people normally.

Don't worry. In the eyes of people who do not actively participate in this topic it is usually like this. Just look at the updated OP. How that bunch of information get there from start?
 
This thread is the same

And unfortunately BGs BGs contributed directly to it with FUD. Would not say it's been across the whole thread though, that's unfair IMHO. Maybe select posts here or there.

Honestly surprised me; I didn't take their speculation earlier as seriously as some other speculation, but at least gave benefit of the doubt to consider it. Now I wonder if it that was worth doing.

Dunno, maybe they just didn't come across that information. It isn't necessarily super-easy to find, I had to come across it from people quoting it on other forums. But still, being a developer I'd assume that's the type of info you would make sure to know before putting any public comments out with your name attached to 'em :/
 
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what we know is RDNA 3 is about next gen memory ....if next memory is about using SSD better then with current level information odds rdna3 feature are in or come from PS5 are greater
it's ray tracing that feels meh atm with littile custo if we believe this slide

edit ; the slide i had in mind about next gen memory (not that navi was planned for 2018 then)
 
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Curious to see how the PS5's OS works, I remember NX_Gamer said that with the PS5's SSD speed, Sony can cache the OS in the SSD instead of the RAM thus freeing up more space for devs to utilise the RAM. Seem's interesting

I generally enjoy Sony's os implementations although thy end up slowing down over time due to bloat and added features. I have a feeling this one is going to be lighting fast.
 
I generally enjoy Sony's os implementations although thy end up slowing down over time due to bloat and added features. I have a feeling this one is going to be lighting fast.
WIth both of these machines having an SSD the days of random hang ups better be gone. Its a closed piece of hardware. I will never understand how both have not figured this out. Sony is usually more smooth in this department but I still get random hangs at random times. Microsofts newest dashboard is quite good. Seems the finally have it set up to where its not constantly trying to cache everything and causing things to die.
 
I generally enjoy Sony's os implementations although thy end up slowing down over time due to bloat and added features. I have a feeling this one is going to be lighting fast.
Yeah man, totally. My PS4 is running super slow at times, hell when I get a party chat invite it takes me like a minute to join because everything takes so long to load! I have a good feeling the PS5's OS will be snappy and super-responsive thanks to the CPU and SSD!
 
And unfortunately BGs BGs contributed directly to it with FUD. Would not say it's been across the whole thread though, that's unfair IMHO. Maybe select posts here or there.

Honestly surprised me; I didn't take their speculation earlier as seriously as some other speculation, but at least gave benefit of the doubt to consider it. Now I wonder if it that was worth doing.

Dunno, maybe they just didn't come across that information. It isn't necessarily super-easy to find, I had to come across it from people quoting it on other forums. But still, being a developer I'd assume that's the type of info you would make sure to know before putting any public comments out with your name attached to 'em :/

If BGs BGs did some FUD you did as well with all those wall text. Nobody is forced to believe in these guys. Believe whoever wants. I find super bizarre that Odium did the same shit over the thread posting and teasing with those silly leaks, info... and in end he post asking for hunting down everyone who lied? I mean, wtf?
 
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Hold on a sec, now you're spreading FUD dude. MS have explicitly mentioned they've made customizations to DX12U that are specific to the XSX. There are customizations to BCPack and mesh shading support only present on XSX.

Now I honestly have to question your other statements because that info I just referred to is public knowledge. Kind of surprised you did not hear of it whatsoever, maybe you just forgot 🤷‍♂️

I hate to put it that way, but you went kind of out-of-pocket with that take.
So it had to be you, a PS5 FUD machine who pretend to be neutral, who accuse (2 times in 20min) a vetted developer of creating FUD for stating the obvious

Stop baiting the thread, you are so obvious :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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If BGs BGs did some FUD you as well with all those wall text. Nobody is forced to believe in these guys. Believe whoever wants. I find super bizarre that Odium did the same shit over the thread posting and teasing with those silly leaks, info... and in end he post asking for hunting down everyone who lied? I mean, wtf?
I chuckled when I read that Odium part, dude has almost become a parody on this thread, especially with that pigeon shit a few months back! haha!
 
I chuckled when I read that Odium part, dude has almost become a parody on this thread, especially with that pigeon shit a few months back! haha!

Dude is way too out of line. 'Yeah a lied, but lets put every other leak who lied at the wall of shame'. Is this even make sense?
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best thicc_girls_are_teh_best Just let me give you some little advice. Unless you want people searching inside your post history, stop accusing every 'insider' here of spreading FUD. Was fun, but lets move on and forget all those hype generated.
 
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