Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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3liteDragon said:



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Audiophile said:
Scorn looks very H.R. Giger.

It's almost too blatant, before a quick google I expected him to be involved...
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Thats what I thought too!
First was wait a minute that design might this be some Alien Spinoff?
Then - or is it based on prometheus?
Is this something from Giger?! Pretty please!
Looked nice though, however i doubt its gonna be like this in gameplay. ☹

travisktl said:
That wasn't even for sure what the games will look like. At the bottom of every trailer it said that it was a target for the "expected performance of Xbox Series X" or something along those lines, so we'll have to wait and see what those games actually end up looking like, which could be better or worse.
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Guess it's all to early in development to be sure about the quality. Anyhow still better then anouncing it without this warning and having downgrade discussions later on.

saintjules said:
Lol, like wouldn't you figure every next-game you're showing is a "World Premiere"? They could have said that once at the start.
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I fucking hat this world premier crap. Be it with sound or without and only text. Just leave it out completly. Noone cares.
Just to boost their own ego.
 
sircaw said:
Not sure why godfall has got all the hate, i have watched alot of its videos and seems pretty decent to me.
Solid combat, fantastic effects, ray tracing in it,

AND some actual gameplay.
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its fine for a cross gen game. it isnt what im expecting from next gen games.

it looked last gen next to hellblade 2.

but after today, i will concede that it doesnt look all that last gen.
 
3liteDragon said:
If it is Sony related, then my bet would be on a HZD2 reveal.
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I'm not going to expect HZD2 to be honest. I mean there are many possibilities with the tease. Red = Spider-Man? The next generation rises = Batman? PS5 hardware reveal?

Or it could be whole lot of nothing as most next-gen things have been so far.....
 
Microsoft shot themselves hard here. While Sony's Tech talk was crap, not because of the content but because of the target audience, MS had some steam and was promising the most powerful system. When you promise that, you either lead, or end, your presentation with actual next gen gameplay, not cross gen.

Now Sony can capitalize hard by showing actual next gen gameplay, if they want to, and steal the spotlight (not that they are not more popular, but because they have been so quiet.)
 
At least we have some more info on the Xbox Velocity Architecture from https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...onald-on-power-price-and-that-new-boot-screen

Look at something like the velocity architecture. That's a combination of the NVMe SSD, a dedicated hardware decompression block, a new file system API called Direct Storage, and then new innovation even on top of that called Sampler Feedback Streaming
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So the Xbox VA consists of:
- SSD
- Hardware decompression block
- New file system API
- Sampler Feedback Streaming

So basically the only special thing is the SFS which I would like to hear more about. I have read here and there that it sounds a lot like an improved AMD feature called partially resident textures. But I honestly don't know enough about these things to make any statements on that.

I will say that based on this, my earlier post on the PS5/XsX I/O solutions seems to be in the ballpark: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...leaks-thread.1480978/page-1858#post-258057102

It looks like the PS5 has a massive advantage in I/O on multiple levels.
 
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if this was a 'indie game reveal' showing that MSFT is trying to support indie development it would have put things into context and would have kept expectations in check. MSFT is cursed-paralyzed with a shitty marketing/pr/branding department.
 
That's what I got from inside Xbox 🤣

Sony: "Next gen won't start until we say it does"



That's what you get for overhyping a list of games that all look worse than The Order 1886 from 2013.

Good Job Phil 🤣
 
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Kazekage1981 said:
if this was a 'indie game reveal' showing that MSFT is trying to support indie development it would have put things into context and would have kept expectations in check. MSFT is cursed-paralyzed with a shitty marketing/pr/branding department.
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They literally have all the momentum and don't know what the fuck to do with it. All the tweets leading up to today I was hoping for some good ass third party showings but I don't even know what to think
 
Spoke to a Dev today. He said that both consoles are impressive in their own way. He said he hasn't had a lot of time with PS5 Dev Kit and debug Kit console. He said he has spent more time with the Xbox Dev and debug Kit console.

He said he is really impressed with some stuff on Xbox that they have already revealed. Like Mesh engines and texture engines. He also said there is a few things Microsoft hasn't revealed that will make developers life easier and help more then the public knows.

He said starting in a couple weeks he will be working with the PS5 Dev Kit and debug console more and update me with more info.

But right now he said Xbox Series X in his opinion and his experience is the better console. Don't kill the messenger. This is his opinion.
 
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sircaw said:
Not sure why godfall has got all the hate, i have watched alot of its videos and seems pretty decent to me.
Solid combat, fantastic effects, ray tracing in it,

AND some actual gameplay.
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I know, right? I'm actually really excited for the game. A looter-slasher with Souls influenced combat, and ex-Destiny devs working on it? Count me in.
 
M-V2 said:
When tlou part ll destroys anything has been revealed on Xbox (next gen) event, I mean the graphics and the animations are already next gen.
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Dude , Don't even bring TLoU2, do you guys remember PS4 reveal?

-The Order 1886
-Killzone SF
-Infamous SS

All those games looked and felt like a proper next gen leap at the time, and still looked better than anything shown today.
 
WhispersintheWind said:
Spoke to a Dev today. He said that both consoles are impressive in their own way. He said he hasn't had a lot of time with PS5 Dev Kit and debug Kit console. He said he has spent more time with the Xbox Dev and debug Kit console.

He said he is really impressed with some stuff on Xbox that they have already revealed. Like Mesh engines and texture engines. He also said there is a few things Microsoft hasn't revealed that will make developers life easier and help more then the public knows.

He said starting in a couple weeks he will be working with the PS5 Dev Kit and debug console more and update me with more info.

But right now he said Xbox Series X in his opinion and his experience is the better console. Don't kill the messenger. This is his opinion.
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Did you remind timdog he is not a developer.

How many pidgeons did you see.

Get verified with @modofwar, or is that you Colbert ? .
 
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Dodkrake said:
Now Sony can capitalize hard by showing actual next gen gameplay, if they want to, and steal the spotlight (not that they are not more popular, but because they have been so quiet.)
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Well I do have a theory that Sonys silence is due to them having a really big blow out event. Basically a long pre-recorded event that will contain tech demos, explanation of features, games among other things.

I predict that the teardown will be either shortly before it or after.

Just my guess.
 
WhispersintheWind said:
Spoke to a Dev today. He said that both consoles are impressive in their own way. He said he hasn't had a lot of time with PS5 Dev Kit and debug Kit console. He said he has spent more time with the Xbox Dev and debug Kit console.

He said he is really impressed with some stuff on Xbox that they have already revealed. Like Mesh engines and texture engines. He also said there is a few things Microsoft hasn't revealed that will make developers life easier and help more then the public knows.

He said starting in a couple weeks he will be working with the PS5 Dev Kit and debug console more and update me with more info.

But right now he said Xbox Series X in his opinion and his experience is the better console. Don't kill the messenger. This is his opinion.
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2 months ago u said u already talked to your dev friend .

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U sure have many dev friends bud 👀👀
 
WhispersintheWind said:
Spoke to a Dev today.
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Oh neat. Spoke to another 'dev'. At least they didn't give you the impression of the 'slight possibility' of a 13TF PS5 :messenger_grinning_smiling:

WhispersintheWind said:
I never said you was wrong. I have only repeated what the devs I have talked said their Target was. As you know Devs like overhead room left over for the Optimization Stage.

Like I said 11.6-12 Something TFlops is where I stand. 13TF slight possibility. I have not been given direct exact number, or proof of that number.
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Can someone reach out to Osirisblack to see what he has to say about all this:messenger_sunglasses:
 
WhispersintheWind said:
Spoke to a Dev today. He said that both consoles are impressive in their own way. He said he hasn't had a lot of time with PS5 Dev Kit and debug Kit console. He said he has spent more time with the Xbox Dev and debug Kit console.

He said he is really impressed with some stuff on Xbox that they have already revealed. Like Mesh engines and texture engines. He also said there is a few things Microsoft hasn't revealed that will make developers life easier and help more then the public knows.

He said starting in a couple weeks he will be working with the PS5 Dev Kit and debug console more and update me with more info.

But right now he said Xbox Series X in his opinion and his experience is the better console. Don't kill the messenger. This is his opinion.
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Isnt that what any typical developer would say based on whatever has been revealed so far?

"Xbox Series X and PS5 is great to work with and has really amazing features"
 
DrKeo said:
SSDs are going to create a paradigm shift regarding how data is handled. The combination of extremely fast read speed, the x100 faster random access, no need to arrange data on disk, and no more inside or outside of plate reading means games can work differently than they have until now. The funny thing is, MS and Sony talked about the exact same thing, streaming the world that the camera sees and nothing else, in real-time, for the next frame.

Both are doing it, Sony can do it faster. I'm not sure how the faster streaming of the PS5 will eventually look like in non-exclusive games. I mean, the SSD can stream x2 more textures, models, and other forms of data but all that extra data needs to sit in memory and PS5 doesn't have more or faster memory than XSX. And the CPU and GPU also need to be able to handle all of that stuff in order to render it to screen, but PS5 doesn't have a more powerful CPU and GPU. So I guess we will have to wait and see how these things will affect next-gen, it's going to be really interesting.




PS5 actually uses 12*64 GiB modules which is 768GiB, translate it to GB and you get 824.63GB.


XSX translated to GiB is actually 931GB.
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Really?

That is hell of a rounding up.
 
Aceofspades said:
So...what is the point of having 12TF then? I guess that proves that SSDs are the real game changer next generation.
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I mean... Control w/ RTX is a gorgeous game, and plenty of games should look at least that good and many will look better, some a lot better. As well as performing better.

The graphics and performance will be a lot better than last-gen systems. That's the point of having the new powerful GPUs.

I just have no clue why "most games won't be much better than what PC can do now" is so controversial. The PCs I'm talking about have GPUs alone more expensive than next-gen systems.. so like I said.. not a fair comparison. But if people have been watching videos of modern PC games (which are almost always recorded on high-spec machines) that's the expectation they should have outside of outlier games that will really push the envelope (and push PCs too.)
 
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SgtCaffran said:
At least we have some more info on the Xbox Velocity Architecture from https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...onald-on-power-price-and-that-new-boot-screen

So the Xbox VA consists of:
- SSD
- Hardware decompression block
- New file system API
- Sampler Feedback Streaming
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Meanwhile the PS5 has
- SSD
- Hardware decompression block
- Two separate I/O processors
- Coherency Engine
- SRAM
- Dedicated DMA Controller
- Cache Scrubbers

That said, he played a next gen game with zero loading times. He said he didnt know the game had loading times until he played it on his Xbox One. So maybe whatever MS has done is good enough for no loading.

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