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xacto
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And Bethesda won't get what Sony owns, massive install base.Good luck with the 1$ Gamepass spammers.
Can you imagine the tragedy... you won't get ray-traced Skyrim. Or 120 FPS Fallout with 120 times the detail!
I feel so salty right now.
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Bethesda Softworks founder says "Sony won't get what Microsoft owns"
Bethesda Softworks founder says “Sony won’t get what Microsoft owns”
A few days ago, Microsoft announced the purchase of Bethesda. Because of this, discussions began on the Web about whether the studio’s major franchises would go to the PlayStation. Microsoft and Zenimax executives are largely silent about what the deal means for Bethesda, but company founder...nintendosmash.com
Internet is a funny place. People can't read and comprehend anything. Not talking about you specifically.
He's doesn't mean anything about the Bethesda purchase in regards to their games showing up on PS anymore. Which I believe they won't anyway. He's talking in general about the business of buying companies.
Radical Dreamer
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Man I love this design, wishful thinking but Sony should bring this on the market. Interior reminds me of Honda E, which I love, too.Buy me Sony's $50-30K monitor then. And experts all agree that Sony TV's have the best color and picture accuracy, upscaling, and processors. Go fight them.
Yup, I'm also a Sony phone user since 2005, next Sony mirrorless camera and lenses, and car system, headsets, etc.
Future: Sony car.
BlueXImpulse
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Bethesda Softworks founder says "Sony won't get what Microsoft owns"
Bethesda Softworks founder says “Sony won’t get what Microsoft owns”
A few days ago, Microsoft announced the purchase of Bethesda. Because of this, discussions began on the Web about whether the studio’s major franchises would go to the PlayStation. Microsoft and Zenimax executives are largely silent about what the deal means for Bethesda, but company founder...
I like when things are known and transparent. Hopefully this just inspires Sony to make even more GOTY contenders. I want MS to do well just so Sony can do better, not because I care about MS or what is going on with the Xbox platform.
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FranXico
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Jim Ryan must go though.
DeepEnigma
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Would you fucking sell it for me them?
Damn, it's $1369 here at Best Buy, but this one fell into my lap due to knowing some people through my line of work.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Maybe he'll be gone by PS6 I can't see him going before then.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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DeepEnigma
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With all the day one launch almost a decade old bugs still present.
Andodalf
Banned
So he's talking about companies, but not companies. k
Md Ray
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Funny how you're using those words when you're the one who posted this fake benchmarks vid here:
And you conveniently chose to ignore the below post as well.
Just need one game to spot and debunk that fake "8K" benchmark video that you linked me.
Here's a screenshot of AC Odyssey from that vid you posted:
Apparently in "8K" according to this video, AC Odyssey gets at 106.8fps and 94.5fps on avg. on RTX 3090 and 3080, respectively.
Here are DF's results in the same game at 4K.
72.4fps and 66.4fps on avg. in 4K on RTX 3090 and 3080, respectively.
Clearly the vid you posted is legit, man...
Learn to fact check before posting BS and... Watch the damn video first.
Anyway...
Erm... 145%, 125%... What? Wow. You do realize how wrong your math is, right?
That's 44% and 25%. Btw, PS4 had 50% more CUs than XB1, yet the difference between them was 1080p vs 900p.
XB1 to PS4 advantages:
Compute power (TF): 40%
Bandwidth: ~31%
CUs: 50%
PS4 Pro to X1X advantages:
Compute power (TF): 43%
Bandwidth: 50%
CUs: 11%
PS5 to SX advantages:
Compute power (TF): 18%
Bandwidth: 25%
CUs: 44%
Much smaller difference this time around. Current-gen competing consoles have 40-43% difference in TF compared to just 18% of PS5/XSX. Even if you take PS5's core clock downclocking into account, the difference will still be smaller.
Here's another e.g. for you:
RTX 2080 to 2080 Ti advantages:
Compute power (TF): 35%
Bandwidth: 37.5%
SMs: 42%
Actual relative performance upflft: 28% in 4K. It's even smaller at 1440p.
MastaKiiLA
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That's the ad I saw on ESPN a few times during the F1 broadcast.
TheGreatWhiteShark
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I understand how some things may not be your strong point. its ok, same thing more or less is for all people.
Still, you trying to pull the "6TF means nothing" stunt, that's no good.
Refer to my previous post, you are of the people that will just have to wait and see.
Enough of this time waster now
Bo_Hazem
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Moridianae
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The dream of turning my PS5 on in a new home comes ever closer. I've done all my due dillegence parts and ordered appraisal.
Now there's just dreadful silence while we wait
My wife is terrified she'll lose this one somehow, as she has a dream of a game room too..
But we were pre-approved and I doubt they'd have taken it this far to shut us down, not when we have the proceeds from my father's office to back up our offer.
Now there's just dreadful silence while we wait
My wife is terrified she'll lose this one somehow, as she has a dream of a game room too..
But we were pre-approved and I doubt they'd have taken it this far to shut us down, not when we have the proceeds from my father's office to back up our offer.
Ugh. Not going to argue about this. He doesn't know anything about whether or not certain Bethesda games will continue to be on PS consoles. He's not apart of that deal or anything happening in the future.
BUT IN GENERAL, when you buy a company it benefits your platform by giving you games that only appear on yours. Hence the "Sony won't get what MS owns" answer to the question about the consolidation of the industry.
DeepEnigma
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If you're prequalified in your loan amount with escrow to meet the criteria, then it just comes down to your offer versus others.
It's a sellers market right now. The bidding war has been swift and brutal.
If your offer is already accepted by the seller, then the days leading up to closing is probably the most stressful time you'll ever have when purchasing a home. Rest assured and think positive, things will go smoothly. Don't make any large purchases in the interim as well. You don't need the lender coming back with any more conditions.
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Zadom
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I love this commercial. I loved the PS4 commercials and this one fits in nicely. I am ready to experience PS5!
well... I guess someone in here did not read the memo
Yes we got the memo......for an entire generation with no results.
15 studios with no worthwhile exclusives.
Launching a new console with no first party games.
Still no games running on the Series X.
An extra 8 studios and nothing will change in the immediate future. Keep hoping for something great by 2023.
Back to square one.
tmlDan
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Good Luck!
Nickolaidas
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Spider-man was overhauled due to Miles Morales coming out and using some of its assets. It won't happen with The Last of Us 2.If it gets too hard to catch one let me know if you wanna snatch one from here.
No need to dream, it'll get the upgrades for free. Spiderman PS4 was a bit old, but I doubt it'll get overhauled like Spiderman PS4 honestly. Let's see both first
However, it's quite possible it WILL happen with the upgraded edition of Horizon Zero Dawn (due to Forbidden West being developed in the exact same way as Miles Morales).
SlimySnake
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If they have accepted your offer its too late for them to back out.
Mahavastu
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Can you please provide a source for the "5 billion more transistors"?
Nickolaidas
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Demon's Souls? You mean that shitty PS3 port that barely runs on the obsolete shitty hardware of the PS5? Fuck off with your 5TFs console. It doesn't blow a candle to the allmighty X Series X which eats monsters for breakfast ... yet for some weird reason cannot seem to have dedicated Ray Tracing in its games without a patch, its first-party games are all absent at launch and the only game about to make it was put on hold because it looked like the epitome of mediocrity.I love how Demon's Souls has basically destroyed all of these old arguments.
"Yes, but have you seen Demon's Souls?" essentially ends every single argument about the Ps5 being underpowered now
Other than that, the PS5 can fuck the right off. A switch can deliver better graphics and resolution than the PS5.
/s , because I don't want to be banned for making fun of this situation.
Moridianae
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Yeah, the seller won't. I believe she's more worried about the lender somehow saying no, but everything has been done very promptly on my part in terms of financial obligations and paperwork.
I told her as long as nothing stupid is done like buying a car or credit card spending sprees(which we're very frugal anyway so that never will happen) the likelihood they'd just reject it this far in is pretty low.
SlimySnake
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I believe he's going by the number ms provided which is 15 billion and using the rx 5700 xt transistor count of 10.7 to get there.
Of course, ms is including the 2 billion transistor zen 2 which is in both the ps5 and xsx. Plus all the ram and decompression hardware in the i/o.
The difference between Gpus is roughly 20% which is what the difference in transistors should be. So around 3 billion.
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Red_Driver85
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Shading units? What? Unified shaders maybe? Yes, of course. Not 18CU, but 16CU. Oh, give some link to "5 billions more transistors".
SlimySnake
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I don't understand. Something isn't right. The owner must accept your offer for you to even get to the appraisal stage.
Do you have a real estate agent or are you doing this yourself?
Moridianae
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Owner did accept and yeah we have a realtor.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ok. Then you should be good. Enjoy the new house.
SportsFan581
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Ooooh!!! Transistor warz now, this is gonna be a good warz. Almost as useless grand as the bit warz.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
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We can approximate the following:
We know that just under half of xbox APU is the CU space. Entire thing is 15.4billion, so that would make the CUs around 7.5billion.
Thus we can surely estimate (7.5/56)X40=5.35 billion transistors for the PS5 Cus.
That makes a 2.2 billion transistor difference on CUs alone.
I mean, what can you do? maths be maths and all that jazz
Now get your ass in the trenches pronto!
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SgtCaffran
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We can approximate the following:
We know that just under half of xbox APU is the CU space. Entire thing is 15.4billion, so that would make the CUs around 7.5billion.
Thus we can surely estimate (7.5/56)X40=5.35 billion transistors for the PS5 Cus.
That makes a 2.2 billion transistor difference on CUs alone.
I mean, what can you do? maths be maths and all that jazz
Now get your ass in the trenches pronto!
Ah so you are saying the Xbox engineers need many more transistors to get to very similar levels of performance? Cool.
MastaKiiLA
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Transistor count discussions might be the worst form of tech discourse that this thread has seen yet, and it's seen both I/O and audio chip discussions. What are we doing here, guys?
TheGreatWhiteShark
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uhmmm...
I am sure you are just as good as the 6TF guy in hardware and maths
I just answered to a fellow GAFer, in case you missed it
So, you can have me as a source
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SlimySnake
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well after the disastrous reception to an actual high quality port with revamped assets, character models, facial animations, hair and lighting, i doubt sony is greenlighting any more of these remasters.
devs will just do the standard 4k 60 fps port, release a quick and dirty patch, and call it a day. thank you, outrage mob, you entitled cunts just cost us some great looking ports.
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SportsFan581
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Totally off topic, but I just thought it was funny how they used to try and market the games as super exciting yet all the gameplay looks to have glacial pacing by todays standards. LOL
Oh the ironie, this describes you and more than 50% of your posts perfectly.
Talking about misleading and manipulative data..
- XSX and PS5 have the same output resolution target, 4k. However, Sony is not marketing it as "true 4k" (native 4k) and only as output resolution, also the PS5 can render at what ever internal resolution it likes, because it does not have a smaller sibling to take care of.
- XSX has ~145% the PS5 CUs, but it has to feed these from a slower L2 cache that has the same size as the PS5's.
- XSX has ~125% the ps5 bandwidth, but only in the theoretical best case scenario with all assets in the fast RAM and the CPU being completely idle. This is so misleading that I have no words to describe it, but probably you really believe this.
- XSX has ~2TF advantage, but you forget the PS5s advantage in other aspects of the render pipeline that is not floating point operations, like geometry and raster throughput.
- XSX output is constant, not boosed like PS5. This is the only point on your list that is discussion worthy and I would argue that XSX frequencies are only constant for the workload that was assumed when it was designed. I don't think that the XSX will be able to sustain it's clocks with higher hardware utilization, same as the PS5. Of course you will never see these workloads in release games, because devs will scale back their software during development to not crash retail consolse. So yes, this sounds good on paper, but it still needs to proof it's benefits in real world applications.
Ptarmiganx2
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If we get mid-gen upgrades we will see next-gen titles at 4K 60. There isn't enough 8k market saturation to even worry about 8k. The actual perceived visual leap is minimal. It's good for pixel pushers and bragging rights.7% faster in FS 2020.... On avg. 10%..... TF difference? 20%.
Again, XSX has an 18% advantage on paper in terms of TF over PS5, but on avg. its real-world perf won't be 18% more.
8K...? Will next-gen games run at 8K on consoles? Nope.
Here's 8K on a $1500 GPU in current-gen (and one last-gen) games for you....
Ptarmiganx2
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It's in the back of my mind. They are going a different route. I don't think it's planned. If it did happen nobody could compete. Whatever the eventual model is, if it doesn't involve super higher budget AAA Sony style titles with all the polish, I'm out. I don't enjoy unpolished filler. Variety is nice, but as an adult with a family I get to play 6-10 titles per year. I have to be selective.
Ptarmiganx2
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It is not boosted. I'm not sure how many times it has to be explained. Apparently at least once more.
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Bo_Hazem
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Sony probably needs 48Gbps for its superior audio, The Tempest. Same goes with wifi6 and Bluetooth 5.1 vs wifi5 + Bluetooth on XSX.
Steam Hardware Survey:
1920 x 1080 - 65.55% <-- here's the "gold standard"
2560 x 1440 - 6.59%
3840 x 2160 - 2.24%
Yes, that is what the "master race" is playing at, and they call us peasants.
8K is nonsense. It's only there for the ignorant/gullible to buy new hardware.
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Bo_Hazem
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That's why Microsoft also created the XSS, a lot of people just don't need more than that
smallpotatosan
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don't even bother. The dude is going to lose his house anyway
PSX
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So true all this PC master race upgrades is like someone chasing his long shadow, while consoles players enjoying the games.
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