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[Neko Mimi Mode]

I said Sony games, learn to read.

Oh. When you quoted me, I assumed it's because you wanted to talk about what I was talking about. My mistake.

 

[sircaw]

It's early build preview software and I wanted to fill the great void left by our dearly departed shark in this thread

Be Better Hix FFS. That was awful lol.

 

[demigod]

Oh. When you quoted me, I assumed it's because you wanted to talk about what I was talking about. My mistake.

I'm still waiting, you going to tell me why Sony games are loading faster in preview build vs on Xbox or going to continue dodging?

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Are Sony paying you for this?

Nobody gives a shit if it's 2 seconds, 4, 11 or 15. It's an early preview build and we'll see in a few weeks. Well, PS5 won't, it's not launching on the system until later this year.

Hang on you said it was FUD. It isn't you've been caught out. Is Microsoft paying you to say its FUD when its not?

I'm just after the reality, no matter what it shows for either side.

Xbox fans promised us the velocity architecture was the best thing since sliced bread.

So far we have these unimpressive load times and also 13 seconds on the falcon game.

So to you it doesn't matter if one is maybe 7 times faster. Of course it matters this is a enthusiast forum, some people want the best tech, whether most powerful or fastest.

So if xbox was 4k and ps5 1080p that wouldn't matter either?.... let's discuss the facts without getting upset.

People buy xbox wanting the 'worlds most powerful console' of course these advantages matter.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

That’s fair but I’m still salty about SM.

Honestly, I would rather have cosmetic MTX and get the upgrade for free, but one you touch that filth, you expect more greed to come. Well, Destruction Allstars, Sackboy already have that.

Best microstransactions is the one you can get by grinding and paying in-game currency for what you want, not loot boxes.

 

[Metroiddarks]

I watched the stream from Tom Warren playing it yesterday and I clocked the load from selecting a car to level being shown at 11 seconds.

That LOD wtf, looks like the 4k 120 fps should be only for 2d games or simpler 3d games at least your game need it (VR games).

This should improve in the next gen of games but in the personal I prefer 60 fps with great graphics and physics in a racing game than
120 for a game where I can see every part of the scenario load in a notorious way in front of me.

Why is Auto HDR a good function?

I mean my television does it if I hit a button.

The algorithm should be better but I am sure some title will looks bad and others good.

 

[FranXico]

PS5 should be 2 seconds, there or there abouts, with the whole ram loaded. It should be even less time at 1440p.

Screen resolution has nothing to do with load times.

 

[hemo memo]

I'm still waiting, you going to tell me why Sony games are loading faster in preview build vs on Xbox or going to continue dodging?

Well, if GoT is any indication then next-gen SP game loading is going to be insanely fast not just for hardware power but for used technology.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Be Better Hix FFS. That was awful lol.

If I change my vote to Bloodborne will you forgive me

I'm still waiting, you going to tell me why Sony games are loading faster in preview build vs on Xbox or going to continue dodging?

I'm not talking about that? I'm talking about Dirt 5. I'm sure Sony games will load that much faster than Xbox games, I've never denied it.

You keep hitting that strawman though.

.

So if xbox was 4k and ps5 1080p that wouldn't matter either?.... let's discuss the facts without getting upset.

People buy xbox wanting the 'worlds most powerful console' of course these advantages matter.

This just in, SSD speed doesn't have anything to do with power of the console.

I'm fine with PS5 games loading faster. The Xbox Series X having better GPU, CPU, RAM and not being the size of a mini-fridge is more interesting to me, but you do you.

 

[hemo memo]

Honestly, I would rather have cosmetic MTX and get the upgrade for free, but one you touch that filth, you expect more greed to come. Well, Destruction Allstars, Sackboy already have that.

Best microstransactions is the one you can get by grinding and paying in-game currency for what you want, not loot boxes.

Yeah it is shitty. I remember the time around Witcher 3 and how releasing a massive single player only game was bad and all the single player only games dying stupidity. Now we have 70$ AND MTX in the same game. It is the definition of greed.

 

[Nowcry]

Are Sony paying you for this?

Nobody gives a shit if it's 2 seconds, 4, 11 or 15. It's an early preview build and we'll see in a few weeks. Well, PS5 won't, it's not launching on the system until later this year.

Right now you don't care, but when it comes to the micro polygon system and the quality of the textures depends on the IO controller in 1 year. You will no longer care so much, and by then we will see the PS5 with different eyes than the current ones.

But for now it is quite difficult to explain. But it will happen.

That LOD wtf, looks like the 4k 120 fps should be only for 2d games or simpler 3d games at least your game need it (VR games).

This should improve in the next gen of games but in the personal I prefer 60 fps with great graphics and physics in a racing game than
120 for a game where I can see every part of the scenario load notorious way in front of me.

The algorithm should be better but I am sure some title will looks bad and others good.

The AI will still have to be trained a lot, I guess.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

If I change my vote to Bloodborne will you forgive me



I'm not talking about that? I'm talking about Dirt 5. I'm sure Sony games will load that much faster than Xbox games, I've never denied it.

You keep hitting that strawman though.



This just in, SSD speed doesn't have anything to do with power of the console.

I'm fine with PS5 games loading faster. The Xbox Series X having better GPU, CPU, RAM and not being the size of a mini-fridge is more interesting to me, but you do you.

I didn't say it did..

Have you gone online and seen people creaming themselves over phone speed tests, people care about speed and loading. It will be the most visible difference, people won't see tiny res differences.

Also the faster streaming is a big deal and means less need to be stored in RAM to be potentially used and more used for whats on screen, or active RAM. So it can certainly have a real world impact.

Better GPU in teraflops yes, better on paper, still to be proven in real world performance. More cu harder to fully utilise.

Cu utilisation, caches, cache scrubbers, faster clocks meaning other parts of the gpu run fatser will play a part, so its not as simple as its definitely more powerful. Should be close and thats what were seeing in games announced with the same res and framerates.

CPU is debatable too as PS5 has no io running on it like the xbox and maybe differences in caches. So you cant call that advantage yet either.

 

[reksveks]

Are we back to comparing different games across different systems?

 

[sircaw]

Right now you don't care, but when it comes to the micro polygon system and the quality of the textures depends on the IO controller in 1 year. You will no longer care so much, and by then we will see the PS5 with different eyes than the current ones.

But for now it is quite difficult to explain. But it will happen.

I hate to say it @Hix but you have kinda dug a hole for yourself on this one.

If you're going to be critical about sony fanboys calling them shills and are sony paying then for the love of god don't come out and do the same thing there doing, its not a good look. just saying.


I know you won't like this, but it's probably a good time to reflect on what you been saying. it makes you seem very two-faced.

sorry

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Screen resolution has nothing to do with load times.

I though I read about series s loading faster because of this.... if wrong then my bad.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I though I read about series s loading faster because of this.... if wrong then my bad.

It has less RAM to fill, and will be using lower resolution assets.

So yeah, load times should be slightly better than XSX, but not enough to make up the difference between the XBox Series and the PS5's i/o capabilities.

 

[Neko Mimi Mode]

Right now you don't care, but when it comes to the micro polygon system and the quality of the textures depends on the IO controller in 1 year. You will no longer care so much, and by then we will see the PS5 with different eyes than the current ones.

But for now it is quite difficult to explain. But it will happen.

It's possible! I don't need to be proven to that the PS5 is a fantastic piece of kit. I still maintain games will likely have parity between both systems.

The advantages of extra tflops or using the SSD for extra textures is nice on paper but may not translate into much in reality.

I hate to say it @Hix but you have kinda dug a hole for yourself on this one.

If you're going to be critical about sony fanboys then for the love of god don't come out and do the same thing there doing, its not a good look. just saying.


I know you won't like this, but it's probably a good time to reflect on what you been saying. it makes you seem very two-faced.

sorry

You wound me, fishy.

But I take your point and retreat to the Xbox safe space thread awaiting the return of our new champion Bo.

Are we back to comparing different games across different systems?

Apparently!

All I said was the 15 second thing was FUD, and, seeing the game has been further optimised since then, I think we should wait and see.

 

[Riky]

If I change my vote to Bloodborne will you forgive me



I'm not talking about that? I'm talking about Dirt 5. I'm sure Sony games will load that much faster than Xbox games, I've never denied it.

You keep hitting that strawman though.



This just in, SSD speed doesn't have anything to do with power of the console.

I'm fine with PS5 games loading faster. The Xbox Series X having better GPU, CPU, RAM and not being the size of a mini-fridge is more interesting to me, but you do you.

Exactly this. Series X has dramatically cut load times compared to last Gen, most of these DIRT 5 races seem to take 7-11 seconds, that'll do for me I don't see it as a "problem for Xbox" at all, you coming from any other last Gen console and you're going to be impressed. N64 games loading instantly was not a problem for Playstation after all.

We've gone from minute plus loads to seconds, what's the problem.

 

[marvifrom]

Can anyone ID this song that plays after Jim Ryans speech, ive been looking for it 3 months now.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

It has less RAM to fill, and will be using lower resolution assets.

So yeah, load times should be slightly better than XSX, but not enough to make up the difference between the XBox Series and the PS5's i/o capabilities.

Yeah that point was only in relation to ps5 potentially loading 1440 faster. But maybe thats not so given only the res is different?

I though the s has less lanes or something that made the io the same as the x effectively but IDK, dont care about the S anyway its the XSX and PS5 im interested in comparing.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Can anyone ID this song that plays after Jim Ryans speech, ive been looking for it 3 months now.

Logic of a Dream from Explosions in the Sky

 

[sircaw]

Logic of a Dream from Explosions in the Sky

It was like 1 second of a god damn song. You disgust me

Go open a fucking youtube channel or something

 

[IntentionalPun]

Yeah that point was only in relation to ps5 potentially loading 1440 faster. But maybe thats not so given only the res is different?

I though the s has less lanes or something that made the io the same as the x effectively but IDK, dont care about the S anyway its the SXS and PS5 im interested in comparing.

Oh gotcha.

Well that depends on the game. It's possible a game's loading times will be shorter if you select a lower resolution performance option, it's also possible the game is not coded to use less RAM and might instead pre-fetch more data in a mode like that. Totally dependent on the code.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

People discussing Dirt 5, while it's a decent game that looks like shit, I'm anticipating this masterpiece (GT7). This is the level of gameplay graphics we're looking for not that blurry mess.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

It was like 1 second of a god damn song. You disgust me

Go open a fucking youtube channel or something

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Exactly this. Series X has dramatically cut load times compared to last Gen, most of these DIRT 5 races seem to take 7-11 seconds, that'll do for me I don't see it as a "problem for Xbox" at all, you coming from any other last Gen console and you're going to be impressed. N64 games loading instantly was not a problem for Playstation after all.

We've gone from minute plus loads to seconds, what's the problem.

Its not a problem or unimpressive on its own. In isolation this would be impressive, its just PS5 has gone to unthinkable levels to make the io breakthrough they have.

Ita natural to compare consoles vs each other so when you do that suddenly the series x loading isn't that impressive at all, for what next gen loading will be.

It'd be the same if we saw something great on PS5 and thought it was impressive only to see it be blown out the water by xbox, suddenly what they showed wouldn't be as impressive compared to the competition.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yeah it is shitty. I remember the time around Witcher 3 and how releasing a massive single player only game was bad and all the single player only games dying stupidity. Now we have 70$ AND MTX in the same game. It is the definition of greed.

I'm 100% confident Destruction Allstars will be free2play down the line, they'll just collect as much as possible money initially before doing so then rely on MTX.

 

[sircaw]

People discussing Dirt 5, while it's a decent game that looks like shit, I'm anticipating this masterpiece. This is the level of gameplay graphics we're looking for not that blurry mess.

shut your dirty face camel features, oh wait are you back on Sony's side now? if so yer, disregard the opening of this sentence.

The game looks amazing. Win a romantic dream date with Mod of War: Remastered for naming the blue car in the picture.

i know nothing about cars but it looks like a Herbie to me.

 

[IntentionalPun]

People discussing Dirt 5, while it's a decent game that looks like shit, I'm anticipating this masterpiece. This is the level of gameplay graphics we're looking for not that blurry mess.

I think Craig lives in these rocks:

 

[Deleted member 775630]

So far we have these unimpressive load times and also 13 seconds on the falcon game.

So to you it doesn't matter if one is maybe 7 times faster. Of course it matters this is a enthusiast forum, some people want the best tech, whether most powerful or fastest.

Why is 11-15sec unimpressive? How fast are you currently loading your games on PS4?

Also not sure why you compare Sony games 2-3sec loading time, with Dirt5, a 3rd party multi-platform game. Shouldn't you be comparing Dirt5 on XSX with Dirt5 on PS5 to know how much faster it loads? It will load faster, but if Dirt5 tracks suddenly load in 2-3sec on PS5 and XSX in 15sec, I'll eat my hat.

 

[TherapistGaymer]

Ok guys, after those dirty graphics we've seen previously, I forgot that I didn't make GT7 screenshots. Here are some high-quality, PNG, 4K screenshots I've made from the official trailer. Dynamic 4K@60fps done right, and also has heavy raytracing usage. Probably Sony's new AI image reconstruction is making some magic here, it's simply crazy. Put in mind that this is a pre-alpha build, things will get even better.

Cleanse your eyes, people!

Spoiler: the rest of the screenshots - 4k (29 images)

This screenshots shows sub-surface scattering (SSS)

Gran Turismo 7

4K PS5 screenshots from the official trailer.

ibb.co

What is real life? Give me my fucking PS5! Sony has shown us the best gaming graphics so far!

Sony is showing some real-life camera effects, like emulating shutter speed effects, focal length bokeh, and some other deficiencies like lens distortion. I love them!

 

[Thirty7ven]

Did DF just pretend the XSS version of Yakuza doesn’t exist in the latest video? Avoiding the 900p talk?

It will load faster, but if Dirt5 tracks suddenly load in 2-3sec on PS5 and XSX in 15sec, I'll eat my hat.

If it takes more than 4 seconds then Codemasters are doing something wrong.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I think Craig lives in these rocks:

It's depth of field camera effect, used a lot in PS5 games as it seems. Could as well be a smart way to mask VRS.

 

[saintjules]

 

[IntentionalPun]

It's depth of field camera effect, used a lot in PS5 games as it seems. Could as well be a smart way to mask VRS.

Yes; it's also a game.. and your eyes go to where the action is, not the backgrounds lol

I think these screenshot wars are kind of silly.. does a game look good in motion? Honestly often hard to tell form a screenshot.

Particularly silly when photo mode shots are used.,

 

[sircaw]

They really are pumping out these aren't they, wish we could of had that ps5 breakdown, oh well.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Did DF just pretend the XSS version of Yakuza doesn’t exist in the latest video? Avoiding the 900p talk?

If it takes more than 4 seconds then Codemasters are doing something wrong.

I think DF didn't discuss it because I'm not sure people can already talk about XSS hardware like they can about XSX. They also didn't discuss the PS5, so...

If the same track loads in 15sec on the XSX, I can already tell you now it won't load in 4sec on the PS5.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

If it takes more than 4 seconds then Codemasters are doing something wrong.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

shut your dirty face camel features, oh wait are you back on Sony's side now? if so yer, disregard the opening of this sentence.

The game looks amazing. Win a romantic dream date with Mod of War: Remastered for naming the blue car in the picture.

i know nothing about cars but it looks like a Herbie to me.

I think it's a classic Ford GT? Because they still use these color patterns in their newer versions:

No, just googled and it's fucking Porsche 917:

 

[sircaw]

I think it's a classic Ford GT? Because they still use these color patterns in their newer versions:

No, just googled an it's fucking Porsche 917:

I even gave you the Clue FFs

its A Herbie.


Ferdinand Porsche developed the Type 12

and the eventual "People's car", the 1938 KdF-Wagen aka the Volkswagen Type 1 or Beetle.

You guys can keep your shitty super cars, nothing compares to

 

[Thirty7ven]

I think DF didn't discuss it because I'm not sure people can already talk about XSS hardware like they can about XSX. They also didn't discuss the PS5, so...

If the same track loads in 15sec on the XSX, I can already tell you now it won't load in 4sec on the PS5.

I’m only saying it because it’s physics. The time it takes to fill the ram is predictable.

Regarding Yakuza, they talked about Dirt5 on XSS and they don’t have a PS5.

 

[Bojanglez]

I'm 100% confident Destruction Allstars will be free2play down the line, they'll just collect as much as possible money initially before doing so then rely on MTX.

Yeah, as soon as it was announced I thought this was made to follow the Rocket League model. Launch on PS+ get some initial traction, become a game that is then around £20 to buy but with cosmetic micro transactions, then transition to free to play. I also expect this to go to PC too as it kind of needs the buy in of 'influencers' and would no doubt sell well initially on Steam.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

Why is 11-15sec unimpressive? How fast are you currently loading your games on PS4?

Also not sure why you compare Sony games 2-3sec loading time, with Dirt5, a 3rd party multi-platform game. Shouldn't you be comparing Dirt5 on XSX with Dirt5 on PS5 to know how much faster it loads? It will load faster, but if Dirt5 tracks suddenly load in 2-3sec on PS5 and XSX in 15sec, I'll eat my hat.

We will when its available. But from what we know so far PS5 should be able to load any game in 2 seconds, faster in future when they use oodle texture.

Instead of speculating how it will load in that time on PS5 can you tell us reasons it won't?

I think Sony have presented enough examples of the io being legit now havent they, with ratchet for eg and we have devs saying games like kena load in 2 seconds from the UI i think it was.

If xbox doesn't improve then I can't see PS5 taking any longer than that so maybe you will be...

 

[Darklor01]

Thanks for this. It makes the A/C and fan knobs in my car look like shit. I now hate the ones I have and will spend hours upon hours wishing I had the kind of money it would take to resolve this.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yes; it's also a game.. and your eyes go to where the action is, not the backgrounds lol

I think these screenshot wars are kind of silly.. does a game look good in motion? Honestly often hard to tell form a screenshot.

Particularly silly when photo mode shots are used.,

These are in fucking motion, mate.

All these screenshots I made are from the video in motion. Shocking, right? Take a look again in a 4K TV:





For the screenies:

Gran Turismo 7

4K PS5 screenshots from the official trailer.

ibb.co

 

[JTCx]

Did DF just pretend the XSS version of Yakuza doesn’t exist in the latest video? Avoiding the 900p talk?

Alex bugaga on the XSS version

 

[IntentionalPun]

Those are in fucking motion, mate.

All these screenshots I made are from the video in motion. Shocking, right? Take a look again in a 4K TV:





For the screenies:

Gran Turismo 7

4K PS5 screenshots from the official trailer.

ibb.co

I know the trailer well; in motion isn't the same as in game.. I just don't understand any screenshot comparisons that aren't from someone actually playing. Not even just about the graphics, it's just not what any player ever sees (random camera angles.)

GT looks amazing either way, really more speaking generally.. games can have bad framerates, bad animation, lots of particle effects that don't "screenshot well," etc.

GIF wars make way more sense lol

 

[Kagey K]

Rock Band 4 and Next-Gen Consoles

Hey Rock Banderinos, We’ve got some good news to share, news that you’ve been patiently waiting a while to hear. You may have heard that some new consoles are coming out this November, about a month from now in fact, and with them comes some new backwards compatibility features. To get right to the

www.harmonixmusic.com

Let me hear about those sweet, sweet load times.

You'll notice a pretty sizable performance increase on both consoles, especially with load times. Getting into gameplay has never been faster, even with large library sizes! Both the new Xbox and PlayStation consoles are on par with each other when it comes to load times.

 

[reksveks]

Did DF just pretend the XSS version of Yakuza doesn’t exist in the latest video? Avoiding the 900p talk?

They might not have the Series S so thats a pretty good reason also you have to remember that the news about the series s resolution probably came too late. Stop looking for boogeyman excuses.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I’m only saying it because it’s physics. The time it takes to fill the ram is predictable.

Regarding Yakuza, they talked about Dirt5 on XSS and they don’t have a PS5.

Yeah, but you can say the same about the XSX, and that is loading in 15sec. That should also just be much faster.

Good point on Yakuza/Dirt5, two possibilities. Microsoft doesn't let them talk about it, or they didn't find it newsworthy. Make of that what you will.

We will when its available. But from what we know so far PS5 should be able to load any game in 2 seconds, faster in future when they use oodle texture.

Instead of speculating how it will load in that time on PS5 can you tell us reasons it won't?

I think Sony have presented enough examples of the io being legit now havent they, with ratchet for eg and we have devs saying games like kena load in 2 seconds from the UI i think it was.

If xbox doesn't improve then I can't see PS5 taking any longer than that so maybe you will be...

I also think the IO of PS5 is legit. But we now the raw and compressed speeds of both SSD's. We know that there isn't a 7x difference. So that's why the PS5 track loading won't be in 2sec, if the same track takes 15sec on the XSX.