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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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sircaw

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Understandable.

If you know Rodman and Magic you must know Jordan then? He's literally the most iconic basketball player of all time.

I would suggest you try watching a game, but 1. the post season is over and 2. bubble basketball is the least fun basketball to watch in my opinion.

fs i always get johnson and jordan confused lol, for some reason i think they are the same people. Don't ask me why.
 

IntentionalPun

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I kinda hate sports games.. but this sounds pretty rad.

The stamina thing is so cool it got 2 bullet points!

But seriously, hopefully they find a way for resistance to actually matter skill wise in sports games. As it stands they are just luck games with varying amounts of luck based on the player that has the ball.
 

sircaw

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I love you too, even if you slightly stink green.

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I fucking told you guys Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem had replaced HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4
 

kyliethicc

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Anything else they added?

The only avatar I need is Cloud Strife. Meanwhile i'm rocking my Arthur & John avatars. And btw Thanks to rockstar one of the very few devs that gives a bunch of cool avatars and a dope theme for free.
yeah they added a ton of PS4 characters, Kratos, Nate, Ellie, Ratchet, Jin, etc.
 
2 things Richard is hung up on,

1. He keeps repeating how huge ps5 is, factually its 20 % longer than ps4 pro. 20 % but he goes on as if its twice the size. He is showing bias here. If he was a decent engineer he would just say 20 % bigger than pro rather than emotional garbage.

2. He keeps saying Ps5 is fast and narrow and XSX is wide design. Someone needs to explain to him they both have 4 shader arrays, therefore on silicon they have the same width, ps5 is faster and XSX is a longer array not wider.

They should stick to software analysis IMO.


Short and fast then long and slow?


Errrrrrr
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I love you too, even if you slightly stink green.

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lol, that fucking show is so terrible

I mostly just want Microsoft to do well.. for competition reasons, and because.. well.. my career is partly based on Microsoft doing well as a company lol (I also do Java/Node/AWS/whatever stuff but my specialty is Azure/.Net.) I will never work for the company as I've contracted there and kinda hate it, but there's a selfish reason for my slight green tint. The job market in my city for my career is like 50% based on them.
 

SSfox

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Well, i am from the UK, we don't have basketball as a main sport, its football cricket rugby etc.

The only basketball people i know of or which i recall are famous are Magic Johnson and the Harlem globe trotters,

and Karem Abdul jabbar but i think i only regonise him from the airplane movie. "lollipop_disappointed:

Oh yer there is that other dude that loves North Korea, Dennis Rodeman or something.

I'm not too much into Basket. But I always though Michael Jordan is generally the most famous basketball player of all time.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'm implying that Dirt 5 and Yakuza "might" not do any extra work for PS5 due to the marketing deal, like using 4K-8K assets on Yakuza instead of those low-res ones.

Why would a marketing deal prevent assets being made at a higher quality?
 

geordiemp

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Correct me if I'm wrong. Anything unpatched with dynamic res, and/or framerate that can't be reached...

... XSX devotes all power, and will likely max out vith res and fps?

...PS5 is throttled to PS4/Pro levels, and the game will perform exactly the same as on the PS4/Pro, with no improvements?

That would be a significant difference.

Your guessing early, when ps4 pro was launched it had a pro mode and a downclocked ps4 mode as back up, nearly all games worked in ps4 pro mode, but cant be arsed with lists.

This time there is ps5 boost mode, ps4 pro mode and ps4 mode. We dont know the percentages, only likely all sony games will run in ps5 boost mode I expect, and probably most others up to the limit set in software without a patch.

To be frank, I am excited about new games not games i have already played, I guess sony will likely show off the BC and UI before launch.
 
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Bo_Hazem

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lol, that fucking show is so terrible

I mostly just want Microsoft to do well.. for competition reasons, and because.. well.. my career is partly based on Microsoft doing well as a company lol (I also do Java/Node/AWS/whatever stuff but my specialty is Azure/.Net.) I will never work for the company as I've contracted there and kinda hate it, but there's a selfish reason for my slight green tint. The job market in my city for my career is like 50% based on them.

They're still doing well there, no worries ;) Ok, I'm out for a bit. Catch up with you guys later.
 

IntentionalPun

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Correct me if I'm wrong. Anything unpatched with dynamic res, and/or framerate that can't be reached...

... XSX devotes all power, and will likely max out vith res and fps?

...PS5 is throttled to PS4/Pro levels, and the game will perform exactly the same as on the PS4/Pro, with no improvements?

That would be a significant difference.
Based on people data mining the web site + what Sony has said PS5 BC will let you for most games at least try Boost Mode. Games that aren't patched would act like they would on XSX (minus the post processing stuff like auto-HDR MS does).. games that are patched could do stuff like unlock framerates or increase res... some games might have glitches as they can't fully test everything (honestly same can be said for XSX though)... a handful of games are already marked as being incompatible, and will not start in boost mode as the PS5 is configured to not allow it for those games.
 

yewles1

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Man, Yakuza looks like shit, and will have parity with PS5. Assets are more likely 1080p, 4K can't make it any better. Same with Dirt 5, it simply looks very bad. Sekiro is old game and won't talk about it, and Hitman on PS5 even for a grossgen is galaxies ahead of Yakuza and Dirt 5 on XSX. You can't keep blaming the devs, trust me:

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Yakuza, it wasn't even labeled as 4K in the official xbox website before they overhauled the page:

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Even Avengers, the fucking mediocre game, looks better on PS5

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DIRT 5

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GT Sport at 1440p checkerboarded to 4K on PS4 Pro:

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And here, so you don't be upset, Forza 7 on XOX:

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People aren't blind, DIRT 5 and Yakuza look like shit, and that's the only thing we saw running in a dodgy way.
GTSport is actually 1800p with Checkerboarding.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Because that's extra work and money you just design for the lowest common denominator, XSS is already a drag. At least I hope we don't see this on PS5:

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If they are simply developing for thew lowest common denominator as you claim why would the marketing deal affect that?
 

Dibils2k

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I kinda hate sports games.. but this sounds pretty rad.

The stamina thing is so cool it got 2 bullet points!

But seriously, hopefully they find a way for resistance to actually matter skill wise in sports games. As it stands they are just luck games with varying amounts of luck based on the player that has the ball.
but at the end of the day the heptic stuff will have option to turn it off and anyone thats even 1% competitive is just gonna turn it off when playng online
 

kyliethicc

Member
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...getting-key-new-gaming-update-from-today/amp/ seems like the hdmi 2.1 update should be rolling out today, I’ll be getting this tv next month!

Sony is now adding the 4K 120 Hz capability to the X900H, but not VRR yet. Half way there lol.

"It’s also important to note that this new update does not additionally bring support for variable refresh rates to the X900H/XH90 models (the Z8H/ZH8 can’t actually support VRR). The reason for this, according to Sony, is that it’s using the official HDMI 2.1 VRR and ALLM solutions (rather than ‘third party’ approaches such as AMD FreeSync or Nvidia G-Sync), but the hdmi.org hasn’t quite yet formally ‘signed off’ those parts of its HDMI 2.1 standard.

Apparently this final bit of ratification is imminent, and Sony hopes to be able to roll out further updates to the X900H series very quickly thereafter. No exact dates can currently be confirmed, though, so we can’t be certain that this final bit of next-gen gaming-friendly support will arrive before the PS5 does."
 
I hope this does not come of as racist, its not meant to but are they any good white basketball players.?
I'm mixed and we are buds so you are safe lol. Yes there are a lot, but studies do show African Americans tend towards more andrenergic tone to the blood vessels, it can benefit in high endurance sports *UIC study. *sprinkles quality fish food for his homie in the aquarium.
 
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IntentionalPun

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If they are simply developing for thew lowest common denominator as you claim why would the marketing deal affect that?
THEORETICALLY the team dedicated to PS5 specifics vs. the team dedicated to Xbox specifics can focus more.. spend their budget on enhancements the Xbox side can't afford to implement because they also have to worry about XSS and that takes time/money. This theoretically could be compounded by the PS5 likely selling far better, and the PS5 side of dev getting more focus/budget.

But it's all just theory; for the most part games across systems share most of their code.. and we have no idea what the effect of XSS will be considering most games also release on PC.

We'll see.. we won't know for years really, but of course a narrative is already forming, because console war!
 
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Three Jackdaws

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I hope this does not come of as racist, its not meant to but are they any good white basketball players.?
Young Serbian lad called Luka Doncic and he is putting up some MVP level numbers, already in the top 5 when it comes to stats and is a well rounded player......oh and he's only 21.

off topic I know but let me off just this once haha
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
THEORETICALLY the team dedicated to PS5 specifics vs. the team dedicated to Xbox specifics can focus more.. spend their budget on enhancements the Xbox side can't afford to implement because they also have to worry about XSS and that takes time/money. This theoretically could be compounded by the PS5 likely selling far better, and the PS5 side of dev getting more focus/budget.

But it's all just theory; for the most part games across systems share most of their code.. and we have no idea what the effect of XSS will be considering most games also release on PC.

We'll see.. we won't know for years really, but of course a narrative is already forming, because console war!

This sounds a lot like the "parity" bs that was pushed during the launch of this gen. Games like Witcher and Dragon Age which had marketing deals with Xbox were claimed to have forced parity, and then in reality that never happened and both games has better versions on PS4.
 

Riky

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Halo we have seen, UI got thenumber wrong on hitman, glad your happy.

So you agree Sekiro is 50-55 FPS, Halo looekd bad, Hitman was below 60 FPS, Yakuza 1080 for stable 60

Shall I continue ? You can always say the dog ate the homework


You haven't seen Halo Infinite on XSX, stop lying.

So since you're so into these back compat games and their performance, which is massively boosted on XSX, then you will be expecting NO framerate dips on PS5 at all when running PS4 titles? Is that what you're saying? What are you going to say when that inevitably doesn't happen? It's a stupid hill to die on.
 
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Nowcry

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I agree with Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem Dirt 5 it looks very very bad, it is clear that they are prioritizing the fps and weighing down the graphics from the beginning.

Maybe because they are going to release the VR versión and so they already have everything easy? They are bad graphics for SX or PS5 on screen but not bad for PSVR. VR confirmed win win :messenger_winking_tongue: :messenger_winking_tongue: :messenger_winking_tongue: :messenger_winking_tongue: :messenger_beermugs:
 

geordiemp

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You haven't seen Halo Infinite on XSX, stop lying.

So since you're so into these back compat games and their performance, which is massively boosted on XSX, then you will be expecting NO framerate dips on PS5 at all when running PS4 titles? Is that what you're saying? What are you going to say when that inevitably doesn't happen? It's a stupid hill to die on.

Well, I believe ps5 will perform nicely so its a different hill than your on, a hill that is looking more comfortable to be on from games we have seen and every game that is shown than your terraflop superior performance hill. I think die on that hill is a bit extreme, but you do seem to want to go to extremes all the time so..

By the way, do you think triggering all of my posts is conducive to good discussion, or a little childish ? Do you think this upsets me somehow or whatever is in your mind. Amusing.
 
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Riky

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Well, I believe ps5 will perform nicely so its a different hill than your on, a hill that is loomig more comfgortable to be on from games we have seen than your terraflop hill. I think die on that hill is a bit extreme, but do what you do.

By the way, do you think triggering all of my posts is conducive to good discussion, or a little childish ? Do you think this upsets me somehow or whatever is in your mind. Amusing.

Unsurprisingly you didn't answer the questions.

You haven't seen Halo or Hitman 3 on XSX, you lied, fact.

You keep bringing up framerate drops on unpatched Xbox One X games running on Series X as some sort of problem. I predict PS5 will have framerate drops on unpatched versions of PS4 Pro games. Do you think I'm wrong?
 
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Three Jackdaws

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Cage: Many Devs Will Prefer Ray Tracing @1080p Rather Than Limited Lighting @4K; We’ll Have a New Engine

If I am reading this correctly I find it quite problematic and this might be just my opinion. Personally I would take higher poly geometry and higher resolution textures over ray-tracing, the former for me is more important for creating worlds as well as the visual language, I would take that over some fancy reflections and shadows. I mean even we look at some of the best examples of ray-tracing in games like Quake 2 (which uses path tracing) has great lighting however the geometry and textures are not exactly the best and the game doesn't exact'y scream "visual benchmark" or whatever.

I think we are still in the early stages of ray tracing and hopefully a breakthrough in technology and hardware over the next few years might allow us to see higher levels of RT without compromising on other important areas like high polygon/triangle geometry.

Personally I think we'll be seeing games with much higher poly counts and much higher resolutions and textures in the upcoming gen, a good example of this was the Unreal Engine 5 demo. Which has still been the best showcase for next-gen imo the demo achieves great dynamic/bounce lighting without the use of hardware acceleration and I think some first parties and triple A titles may follow suit or maybe even have a hybrid approach.
 

geordiemp

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Unsurprisingly you didn't answer the questions.

You haven't seen Halo or Hitman 3 on XSX, you lied, fact.

You keep bringing up framerate drops on unpatched Xbox One X games running on Series X as some sort of problem. I predict PS5 will have framerate drops on unpatched versions of PS4 Pro games. Do you think I'm wrong?

Keep it civil and polite and I am happy to talk.

No dont think ps5 will have an issue, as I believe most games will run in boost mode and 2.23 Ghz will tear through them, but lets wait and see.

I also think Ps5 cache and arrangement will be performant ansd i also believe PC will use the same arrangement for RDNA2 PC parts as it has benefits (otherwise PC RDNA2 would not be 40 and 80CU of 10 CU in shader arrays)

There will be games that have strange timing in the game coding, I am sure there will be lists like there was for ps4 pro, which I stopped looking at after a week as all games worked in boost mode except for outliers I never heard of..

But we dont know yet....
 
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Riky

$MSFT
Keep it civil and polite and I am happy to talk.

No id ont think ps5 will have an issue, as I believe most games will run in boost mode and 2.23 Ghz will tear through them, but lets wait and see.

There will be games that ahve strange timing coding, I am sure there will be lists liek there was for ps4 pro, which I stpped looking at after a week as all games worked in boost mode.

But we dont know yet....

No we don't, that we agree on.

Say however Sekiro doesn't run at a locked 60fps on PS5 and someone keeps posting a screen grab of any drops they find, do you think that would show that the PS5 has a problem?
 
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DeepEnigma

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Why would a marketing deal prevent assets being made at a higher quality?

Because developers had a history of putting their footsies in the mouths (in the beginning of the gen).

"We decided to lock them at the same specs to avoid all the debates and stuff," senior producer Vincent Pontbriand told VideoGamer.com
 
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Bo_Hazem

Banned
Saying XSS is the lowest common denominator when it's a PS4 game😂 Totally clueless.

You meant Xbox One FAT? Well, they should optimized for Xbox One FAT, Xbox One SAD, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X for a total of 43 million people, which most will wait to play it for $1-10 on gamepass. While the effort on PS4-5 is much more rewarding for 110+ million. It's not hard to know were the money is.

If they are simply developing for thew lowest common denominator as you claim why would the marketing deal affect that?

Parity, ever heard of it? Some happened during PS360 era when PS3 was hard to develop for. Don't act as if you never heard of it.
 
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