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[Kerlurk]

I love this Interview with Yasuhiro Otori, we now know a lot about the Cooling.
It reminds me of Mark Cerny's Road to PS5. (Has anyone found a full write up of Road of PS5? e.g. in word farm.)
We got a full break down of the; Specs, Cooling and BC. Now only UI is left.

Also with BC, I think PS 1, 2 & 3 BC will be PS Now only.

The Road to PS5 - Mark Cerny "GDC Talk" - Mar 18, 2020

Transcribe - The Road to PS5 - Mark Cerny's a deep dive into the PlayStation 5 - - The Road to Next Gen Ludens

Thank you Jim. There will be lots of chances later on this year to look at the PlayStation 5 games.Today I want to talk a bit about our goals for the PlayStation 5 hardware and how they influenced the development of the console.

playstationvr.hateblo.jp

 

[geordiemp]

Rich always bringing Xbox to the picture everytime he thinks Xbox would look favourable.

Poor man was SURPRISED by how BIG the motherboard was...really Rich? More than 95% of all all electronics are designed using ONE motherboard like PS5, its Xbox who opted for Two sheets design. He is just trying to slip in MS complement so hard ... Yeesh

Also I see some concerns regarding the soldered SSD on PS5! Ok Rich , I get it that Sony doesn't communicate with you, but why didn't you ask your buddies at microsoft about the same issue since Xbox AND PS5 have soldered SSDs?

Also I love the skiptisim about WiFi6. Lol...really Rich?

Also since he loves to brings Xbox whenever he can notice how he didn't mention them when he talked about:

- SSD raw output (2.4 wont sound impressive compared to PS5 5.5)
- he didn't bring up Xbox when talking about USB ports...we know how Xbox compare in that area..
- he didn't mention Xbox when talking about WiFi6 , instead he was like...not sure we can reach those figures!! WTF man, was it so hard to praise Sony for future proofing threir console?

In the end, his opinion is worthless and the best thing is..Sony thinks that too

Yes I thought Rich is better at software, his only worthwhile technical hardware comment is it was big.

Get better analysis here frankly.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Wow...Big Navi will have 128 ROPS and 256 bit bus.

Some people seem to be concerned because it's "only 256 bit" but from what RedGamingTech and MLiD have said (as well as a few other credible leakers) is that RDNA 2 will have really good memory bandwidth thank's to it's caching system, I know the same will apply for PS5 and maybe even the Series X.

Xbox Series X has 320-bit bus, PS5 has 256-bit bus. Coincidence?

PS5 and Xbox Series X hardware specifications compared

Breaking down the numbers — and what they mean

www.polygon.com

PS5 is more RDNA2 than "some" try to think.

 

[Sethbacca]

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: Deep Dive Trailer

Oh shit. That looks great. City building and factioning. I had it preordered in any case but damn.

 

[Sinthor]

I wont knock any dev who does this to go all out on ray tracing. Mid gen upgrades can bring back the resolution anyway

Hopefully they do dynamic resolution in some form so that upgrades like next gen (after) and mid-gen updates can improve the resolution as well.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Because we know the specs of both systems. We'll know in a couple of weeks when we compare games on both systems. I could be wrong of course, wouldn't be the first time.

You don't have all the specs and you can't compare theoretical performance across 2 different architectures without actually doing the legwork. You took 1 single metric, and like a simpleton assumed "bigger number = more better".
Be better than this, at the very least let a few multiplat games hit the hands of reviewers so we can then make bold assertions like you have.

Notice I'm not saying the ps5 will have the performance advantage, ok? I'm saying nothing shown SO FAR should give you any confidence in the xsx outperforming the ps5 in ANY aspect.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Look the minimum requirements, this game is probably run really bad this current gen in base consoles wtf


Also the SSD is becoming a necessity really quickly.

 

[LivingD3AD]

Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: Deep Dive Trailer

Good upgrade compared to previous footages but still looks very current gen-ish

Look the minimum requirements, this game is probably run really bad this current gen in base consoles wtf


Also the SSD is becoming a necessity really quickly.

wait, 1440p 60fps is more demanding than native 4K 30fps which requires 2080s instead of 2080 in ultra category

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Few "fans" : xbox series x naming is not confusing. No one will mix them up
Digital foundry :

Its xbox series x not x1x

Edit :They just changed the thumbnail to series x

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

DF say that Yakuza loads in 2 seconds..... So if PS5 loads it in one was it worth the work they put into it still?

Until we see the same game on each we're still in the dark really, but that goes for performance too. With a better Gpu faster CPU and more memory bandwidth are Series X games going to run at higher settings, frame rates or resolutions, if so that's worth the extra few seconds loading in my book once I'm playing the game.

Ok I have just looked at this.

This is a little more impressive, however its a last gen looking game in a lot of ways and probably not as taxing a load compared to dirt 5. We saw there how it can go upto 15 seconds for higher modes and more cars and bigger track etc. But still, its better.

I'd have liked to see a comparison to the last gen version even if this is upgraded to see how fast the fast travel was there.

Anyway...

I'm not sure how seconds work over at Digital Foundry but thats not 2 seconds to me!

Look.



The load starts as the screen goes black at the end of second 6:40 /start of second 6:41. It lasts until the end of second 6:44/6:45.

You can see the loads already started at 6:41 as if I choose the video to start at 6:41 its already a black screen.



So thats closer 4 seconds, not within 2 as claimed. Thats double the time! Maybe someone can use a better method to show this time like Bo_Hazem did With a frame counter?

Now was this in 1440p mode, was it the best case scenario, did they load to multiple areas and this was the best of them, does loading into somewhere else take longer? We will see i guess.

But it doesn't inspire much confidence when I see a simple count wrong. Is it incompetence or are they trying and make it seem more favourable? Why show the load on this video when its a favourable number but not on dirt when its much longer? We want to see all the times.

People may say whats it matter a second or two, well let's have the facts presented correctly.

 

[Metroiddarks]

wait, 1440p 60fps is more demanding than native 4K 30fps which requires 2080s instead of 2080 in ultra category

Probably in its engine the resolution represent a bigger problem in performance than the usual but yeah is a little
weird but after see the 2080 TI as requirement in watch dogs legion I am really interested of what happen to this current
gen games requiring so much power, yes I know RT but man.

Edit: I saw the reason is the graphic setting from very high to ultra high.

 

[LivingD3AD]

Animations

 

[Codexer]

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Ok I have just looked at this.

This is a little more impressive, however its a last gen looking game in a lot of ways and probably not as taxing a load compared to dirt 5. We saw there how it can go upto 15 seconds for higher modes and more cars and bigger track etc. But still, its better.

I'd have liked to see a comparison to the last gen version even if this is upgraded to see how fast the fast travel was there.

Anyway...

I'm not sure how seconds work over at Digital Foundry but thats not 2 seconds to me!

Look.



The load starts as the screen goes black at the end of second 6:40 /start of second 6:41. It lasts until the end of second 6:44/6:45.

You can see the loads already started at 6:41 as if I choose the video to start at 6:41 its already a black screen.



So thats closer 4 seconds, not within 2 as claimed. Thats double the time! Maybe someone can use a better method to show this time like Bo_Hazem did With a frame counter?

Now was this in 1440p mode, was it the best case scenario, did they load to multiple areas and this was the best of them, does loading into somewhere else take longer? We will see i guess.

But it doesn't inspire much confidence when I see a simple count wrong. Is it incompetence or are they trying and make it seem more favourable? Why show the load on this video when its a favourable number but not on dirt when its much longer? We want to see all the times.

People may say whats it matter a second or two, well let's have the facts presented correctly.

4K dropping to 24fps, 1440p dropping to 51fps, 1080p to secure 60fps, and that's only what DF is showing us. Man, imagine what raytracing will do then to XSX.

 

[J_Gamer.exe]

4K dropping to 24fps, 1440p dropping to 51fps, 1080p to secure 60fps, and that's only what DF is showing us. Man, imagine what raytracing will do then to XSX.

Yes its not great. But just on the load times its there for all to see, they called it 2 seconds, its its more like 4.

But maybe facts don't matter?

 

[Sinthor]

I'm not too much into Basket. But I always though Michael Jordan is generally the most famous basketball player of all time.

Yeah, it's kind of weird though....how things change as you age. I would have thought Michael Jordan would ALWAYS be first on people's minds when talking about Basketball, but there is a generation out there now....many of whom don't seem to know who he is. For them it's all Bryant and James. I guess it's kind of like Football. I still feel that players like Elway and Marino were best QB's of all time and would be KILLING it with today's rules....but their era is so much different from how the game is today that you have to separate players by the era they play in I think. Same with boxing...the old questions about whether Mike Tyson would have beaten Muhhamad Ali in his prime.....just silly comparisons because of how training methods, etc. have changed over time.

So...I think overall it's just who's the best player in these sports NOW, or in previous eras. I don't think there's any relevant way to truly judge the 'greatest of all time.'

 

[LiquidRex]

Redgamingtech dropping a video very soon... Should be interesting

 

[LivingD3AD]

will we ever see hands-on impressions of PS5 like what Microsoft did with distributing Series X among influencers before release?!

 

[JTCx]

Ok, let's hear them out:

Spoiler: DF PS5 teardown video

Closed it after first few minutes. It was quite uninteresting

 

[Nickolaidas]

Classic Pete. I love it. "Good, but not ready. I'll let you fly solo when you're ready."

Already loving Miles, too! His inexperience is a breath of fresh air in a world of games where you're this invincible badass.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Closed it after first few minutes. It was quite uninteresting

It is, actually. Wasted 17 minutes of my life, would rather laugh at XSX gameplay with that time.

/s

 

[Bo_Hazem]

will we ever see hands-on impressions of PS5 like what Microsoft did with distributing Series X among influencers before release?!

I think Sony is picking up some outlets that probably didn't get XSX. Gameinformer gonna get a lot of attention with the exclusive coverage of Spiderman MM.

 

[mancs]

Redgamingtech dropping a video very soon... Should be interesting

Cheers , I checked last time you said dat shite, and named dropped dat long haired guy on YouTube , n wasted ten mins of my life ,cos he had nothing interesting on page. yayy so excited....

 

[Handy Fake]

Cheers , I checked last time you said dat shite, and named dropped dat long haired guy on YouTube , n wasted ten mins of my life ,cos he had nothing interesting on page. yayy so excited....

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Man, even this GIF has screen tearing.

Here, I even created a new badge for them!

 

[Dogman]

Man the swinging animations look incredible

 

[Imtjnotu]

Animations

He is sloppy when swinging. Love it

 

[Insane Metal]

Heh, I love PC gaming but Greg has got a point here.

 

[Nowcry]

Heh, I love PC gaming but Greg has got a point here.

That used to happen to me. But the trick is in the components.

Buy Asus motherboards to be able to be Hero range.
Purchase RAM and PSU from corsair.
Buy Nvidia Asus GPU + Intel CPU like 10900K 10700K (gamming i7 ot i5 CPU)
Buy Samsung SSD

Buy good things and it will work 100% of the time.

PS: It doesn't take that much, but if you don't want to think about compatibility then buy good things. Then you will always have 100% insured.

 

[Axonometri]

Heh, I love PC gaming but Greg has got a point here.

Building a PC is so easy these days.. *I could go on a rant here about a couple topics, but what's the point? You can't have a logical conversation with certain people.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Everyone is allowed their own opinion. Unless you are a PC player or a Trump supporter.

Building a PC is so easy these days.. *I could go on a rant here about a couple topics, but what's the point? You can't have a logical conversation with certain people.

This place is not like the other so don't do that here

 

[Axonometri]

This place is not like the other so don't do that here

I'm not. I'm doing a good job I think.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm not. I'm doing a good job I think.

Well you're not

 

[Axonometri]

Well you're not

Oh, no. I am.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Redgamingtech dropping a video very soon... Should be interesting

 

[Lynyrd]

That used to happen to me. But the trick is in the components.

Buy Asus motherboards to be able to be Hero range.
Purchase RAM and PSU from corsair.
Buy Nvidia Asus GPU + Intel CPU like 10900K 10700K (gamming i7 ot i5 CPU)
Buy Samsung SSD

Buy good things and it will work 100% of the time.

PS: It doesn't take that much, but if you don't want to think about compatibility then buy good things. Then you will always have 100% insured.

I started to hate gaming PCs when I built my high end pc, stutters everywhere, for example Fallen Order on PC runs like crap stutters all over the place, yes it is more than 30fps but I also have the game on PS4 and I played both for comparison, I cannot encounter the same stutter on PS4, of course on PC its like a 'one time' stutter for each Shader that the game creates and some are just totally random depending on windows, THAT I hate.

 

[Insane Metal]

How come AC: Valhalla have worse characters than Unity?



That looks just like Witcher 3 to me. Or a bit better.

 

[LivingD3AD]

He is sloppy when swinging. Love it

I love how different miles’ swinging is compared to parker

 

[Dogman]

I started to hate gaming PCs when I built my high end pc, stutters everywhere, for example Fallen Order on PC runs like crap stutters all over the place, yes it is more than 30fps but I also have the game on PS4 and I played both for comparison, I cannot encounter the same stutter on PS4, of course on PC its like a 'one time' stutter for each Shader that the game creates and some are just totally random depending on windows, THAT I hate.

What specs? Doesnt sound like a high end pc to be stuttering hard on Fallen Order. That game has pretty good optimization

 

[Axonometri]

How come AC: Valhalla have worse characters than Unity?



That looks just like Witcher 3 to me. Or a bit better.

I made the decision some time ago that I would be playing Valhalla for the gameplay / setting and not seeing it as a next gen graphical demonstration. Those early videos were hard on the eyes.

 

[NXGamer]

NXGamer You might wanna take a look at this again.

I have seen it across the videos, I think it is uses a combined SSR for Static and RT for Dynamic objects, characters basically. Many RT methods fall back to SSR also, such as BFV.

Looks like AC may be using a similar method, almost like proxy capsules and it will reduce the cost of the Ray Traversal and BVH tree.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh my, that swinging animation is very nice. They’ve copied Into The Spiderverse which was exactly the right thing to do.

I was going to leave buying this for a while, but that attention to detail and reference to the best Spider-Man movie ever made may change my mind.

 

[NXGamer]

I dunno, he presented his case and backed it up, NXGamer said he'd look into it so clealry there something that not straightforward with demon souls and how its achieving its image quality.

Just time again, I did start it but the PS5 video dropped so I jumped on that.

What I do here is Part time, so I only normally get around 8 hours a week to make a video and I am just finishing one off this week to go up tonight, NOT DS but it is coming.

 

[Lynyrd]

What specs? Doesnt sound like a high end pc to be stuttering hard on Fallen Order. That game has pretty good optimization

No it is not well optimized, R9 3900XT, RTX 2080, 32gb DDR4 3600mhz cl16, SSD Samsung 970 pro.

It is going to stutter no matter what build do you have so maybe you didn't notice.

Ryzen+3090 https://www.screencast.com/t/vqlEY5XE
Intel+3090 https://www.screencast.com/t/UlXX2HYd2

sources: youtu.be/V1Y6gMSAoTI?t=226 & youtu.be/PJLsPZBnUls?t=106 and my own experience.

 

[Insane Metal]

Paul's video is out!

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I started to hate gaming PCs when I built my high end pc, stutters everywhere, for example Fallen Order on PC runs like crap stutters all over the place, yes it is more than 30fps but I also have the game on PS4 and I played both for comparison, I cannot encounter the same stutter on PS4, of course on PC its like a 'one time' stutter for each Shader that the game creates and some are just totally random depending on windows, THAT I hate.

I question you "high end" claim on the pc. Unless you mean expensive. Expensive != high end. You gotta balance that shit
What resolution were you gaming at?
Did you have the latest drivers?
Was your ram properly setup for dual channel?
Did you just try and play 4k with intensive post process image effects?
Did you just have an antivirus / windows update running in the background while you were playing?

It's not hard, you just need to know what you're doing a bit. And if you don't know, just ask someone who does.

 

[Dabaus]

Between the Bethesda Buyout and gamestop incentive, it seems like Micorosft is playing the long game and smartly i might add. In contrast sony seem short sighted and focused on there here and now with little to no action on big, long term picture. Am I saying sony needs to go out and blow 8 billion dollars? No. Should they be making some moves by purchasing a few studios that work closely with them? Absolutely. Should they approach konami or sqaure and make a partnership with? Perhaps.

I think sony is going to be fine for the next year or 2, but they cant just coast and stay radio silent. Microsoft clearly isnt playing around and right now it looks to me like sony is resting on their laurels. I know thats going to get some jimmies ruffled but thats what it seems to me.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I have seen it across the videos, I think it is uses a combined SSR for Static and RT for Dynamic objects, characters basically. Many RT methods fall back to SSR also, such as BFV.

Looks like AC may be using a similar method, almost like proxy capsules and it will reduce the cost of the Ray Traversal and BVH tree.

Yup, using RT smartly is the way to go! Thanks for the insightful input.

 

[Lynyrd]

I question you "high end" claim on the pc. Unless you mean expensive. Expensive != high end. You gotta balance that shit
What resolution were you gaming at?
Did you have the latest drivers?
Was your ram properly setup for dual channel?
Did you just try and play 4k with intensive post process image effects?
Did you just have an antivirus / windows update running in the background while you were playing?

It's not hard, you just need to know what you're doing a bit. And if you don't know, just ask someone who does.

You can question, but that doesn't change facts, watch my other post with other builds that I shared from youtube.

Spoiler

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Paul's video is out!

I don't think this is the actual video, he said he was uploading another video which will be dedicated to the whole PS5 subject in a few hours. He said it's taking him a long time edit.