kyliethicc
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Who is this random guy are why do people keep posting his fucking tweets? Why should we care?
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Who is this random guy are why do people keep posting his fucking tweets? Why should we care?
THEAP99
Banned
lol. what matters is the excerpt from the digital foundry video
Chris_Rivera
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Empire Strikes Back
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I know that, I’ve seen the video. I’m more curious to know why these things happen on Xbox, whether it’s tools, lazy devs or, God forbidden, a hardware bug. I think the fire effect causing it is a good lead.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
once again, Tom and Alex are baffled by the performance drops in the XSX version. Alex literally says they dont know why Bungie would allow these drops. Like are you fucking kidding me? Bungie isnt allowing shit. The XSX simply isnt able to run the game at that framerate at all times. Imagine if Alex reviewed a GPU where the GPU isnt able to do locked native 4k 60 fps in a benchmark test and then blamed the benchmark instead of the GPU for the poor performance.
This is getting ridiculous tbh. This is like the 15th game they have reviewed which has performance problems on the xsx and while I am open to the tools conspiracy theory or excuse or whatever you want to call it, I think it's fair to say that at the moment the XSX isnt as capable as the PS5. There is no need to appear surprised or shocked or make excuses or blame developers. Very bizarre.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
- PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have identical graphical settings.
- Both PS5 and XsX hold a native 4K image majority of the time.
- Xbox Series S runs at 1080p, 60fps
- PlayStation 5 drops resolution below native 4K more than Xbox Series X during certain parts of the game. This is because Xbox Series X stays at a Native 4K resolution when the game drops below 60fps.
- 60fps is more stable on PlayStation 5
- PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X have a 120fps mode at 1440p. Xbox Series S does not have a 120fps mode.
- 120fps more is more stable on PlayStation 5.
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kyliethicc
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thanks for summary, saved me a watch of those cunts
marvifrom
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MistBreeze
Member
good for both platforms
but really seams Mark Cerny talk about faster gpu is better than wider is paying off
interesting stuff
Exactly, the first or second time surprise is excusable, but by now theyr know exactly where the problem is but, apparently can`t or arent willing to talk about it.
Cherrypepsi
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at what point do they say that?
Empire Strikes Back
Member
I think at some point Tom said the resolution on Series X is more static and maybe the DRS scale isn’t working. Which is odd because in the beginning of the video he says that it’s hard to find drops in resolution in both consoles. He only mentions the end of the Last Array mission (on Xbox).
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
In the Eurogamer article, it says there's "a touch more clarity on XBox" and the PlayStation 5 is "showing only a slightly higher frequency of resolution drops"
@3:25, Xbox Series X drops all the way down to 54 fps, but the resolution stays at a fixed Native 4K image. DRS is suppose to drop the resolution to maintain 60fps.
Aceofspades
Banned
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
TBH, i would prefer they dont even talk about it. I dont see why they need to feign shock or surprise as if this is some rare event that only happens once in a millennium or something. Just mention that the xbox drops more frames than the PS5 and move on. There is zero need for editorial speculation here. It's simple benchmarks they have been doing since the PS3 era. THe cell was more powerful than the Xbox 360 CPU as well but i dont remember them being surprised by AC1 and other games performing worse on the PS3. It was just understood that the PS3 had bad tools and a bad split ram architecture. this isnt rocket science.
Aceofspades
Banned
Thank you for this post. Sums my entire thought about DF.
carloseduardocd
Member
For me it's a tie. Both consoles has consistent 4k 60fps. PS5 has more resolution drops and XSX has more FPS drops.
In 120fps both has drops, but XSX has more.
But it's virtually identical. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...ny-2-ps5-xbox-series-a-huge-performance-boost
TKOFromTokyo
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Sorry if old
www.ign.com
PS5: How to Get the PSVR Free Adaptor - IGN
Sony has detailed how owners of PlayStation VR will be able to acquire the free PlayStation Camera adaptor that will be needed to play PS VR on PS5.
demigod
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It’s not even in it’s Final Form either.Playstation 5 is a fucking BEAST
Superayate
Member
Impressive how these two consoles are finally similar at performances level. Never saw that in the past
carloseduardocd
Member
You're right. Never saw too much close performance in any console generation.Impressive how these two consoles are finally similar at performances level. Never saw that in the past
Maybe on 2011 or 2012 PS3 started to have more closer performance to X360 in multiplatform games. But before that... we know.
MasterCornholio
Member
Yes it's definitely weird. I really would like to know if it's some sort of hardware bottleneck or if it's just tools.
One things for certain, this shouldn't be happening to the most powerful console.
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Loxus
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It's kind of funny how when the XBSX out preforms PS5 in 1 or 2 games, the XBSX is more powerful.
But when the PS5 out preforms the XBSX in 9 games, it's a bug or the tools.
This is hilarious.
HoofHearted
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ResilientBanana
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So this rumor hasn’t died yet?
HoofHearted
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's still possible that next gen only games might perform better on the xsx. The next Battlefield will be the first true next gen game to hit shelves next fall so we will see if its just the tools or not.
To me, the jury is still out on PS5's variable clocks. There is a good chance its winning these cross gen comparisons because the CPU being paired back isnt affecting performance because these cross gen games barely even use the CPU as most PC benchmarks can show us. Once next gen games with heavy physics, massive NPC counts and destruction arrive, we might start to see issues if the variable clocks impact the CPU too much.
Other than that, I would be very worried if I was Microsoft because it seems Cerny knew what he was doing and there is a good chance the PS5 might keep this slight edge for the rest of this gen.
Empire Strikes Back
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This is not about one being more powerful than the other or how the TF count reflects thing, it's about WHY. Those consoles are way to close to justify any difference with TF count or black magic. I could care less why the most powerful console is an Xbox and it's underperforming, I just want to know what kind of mistake the so proud team that made this machine made for those things to happen. They definitely messed something because the pattern is clear.It's kind of funny how when the XBSX out preforms PS5 in 1 or 2 games, the XBSX is more powerful.
But when the PS5 out preforms the XBSX in 9 games, it's a bug or the tools.
This is hilarious.
3liteDragon
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Actually that’s false, LODs are still there, the big difference this gen is that it’ll be invisible to the human eye. How?
By drawing and rendering polygons at the micro-level (breaking down triangles in an asset to the size of a pixel and then make changes to LOD in real-time as you’re walking through the level, depending on how to close to the object you are and you won’t even notice it happening).
This is where PS5’s I/O solution and cache coherency play a MAJOR role.
(timestamped)
Like NX Gamer said, if you were to run this demo on PC rn with the exact same micro-polygon density as PS5, you would need like 40GB of VRAM. But because of the ultra-high speed SSD, the process is virtualized, pretty much what MLiD said in one of his videos, the PS5 has 825GB of DDR2 RAM thanks to how fast the storage architecture is.
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Loxus
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Is the XBSX really the most powerful?, is the real question.
Mark Cerny said: "This continuous improvement in AMD technology means it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance."
Maybe the Flops and CUs in the PS5 are more powerful than in the XBSX.
Or the PS5 is just better engineered.
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
Roblox Corp Is Now Valued At $30 Billion, More Than CD Projekt, Take-Two, And Ubisoft
Roblox Corp Is Now Valued At $30 Billion, More Than CD Projekt, Take-Two, And Ubisoft - exputer.com
Founded in 2004 by Canadian Entrepreneur David Bascuzki and the late Erik Cassel, Roblox Corporation has so far just made one game, Roblox, which has from
exputer.com
MasterCornholio
Member
Is the XBSX really the most powerful?, is the real question.
Mark Cerny said: "This continuous improvement in AMD technology means it's dangerous to rely on teraflops as an absolute indicator of performance."
Maybe the Flops and CUs in the PS5 are more powerful than in the XBSX.
Or the PS5 is just better engineered.
The only rumor I've seen regarding that are that the CUs in the PS5 are not the same as the CUs in the XSX. Without an X-ray we really can't find that out.
Rudius
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Sorry for asking days latter, but could you share links of other temperature tests?
Physiognomonics
Member
I already did.
DeltaPolarBear
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What made you think Xbox made a mistake? Why couldn't it be because the Playstation team did a good job?
It seems you assumed incorrectly that Microsoft is better at making consoles than Sony, when Sony is the actual Hardware company. At some point you need to stop trying to find blame, and give credit to the engeneers at Playstation who did their job well.
Yes, the Xbox team is "proud", but they were never basing their pride on anything. You need to re-evaluate the capability of both sides and change your assumptions.
cragarmi
Member
Strange how no one seems to be able to publish an xray, almost as if Sony has an embargo on it?
MasterCornholio
Member
Strange how no one seems to be able to publish an xray, almost as if Sony has an embargo on it?
I don't see how they can stop the average person from doing it.
cragarmi
Member
Go ahead, lets see how far you get!
MasterCornholio
Member
Go ahead, lets see how far you get!
Sony didn't stop people from ripping out the APU. Those people could have done this by now.
As for me I would just be happy with actually having a PS5. No way would I sacrifice it for that.
Yes still just rumors but MLiD and RGT(?) stated from industry insiders that concessions were made for MS to fit (squeeze) 54 CU's onto the XSX APU. They ripped out the circuitry for the CU's (or individual shader cores) to alter/tune it's frequencies around it's base clock, this also probably included the 'pervasive fine-grain clock gating' too that AMD had shown on their RDNA2 talk. These deleted features are important for efficiency and keep the GPU within it's TDP when trying to work flat out, may explain partly why XSX is under performing
... where the heck is
geordiemp
when we need him
MasterCornholio
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Yes still just rumors but MLiD and RGT(?) stated from industry insiders that concessions were made for MS to fit (squeeze) 54 CU's onto the XSX APU. They ripped out the circuitry for the CU's (or individual shader cores) to alter/tune it's frequencies around it's base clock, this also probably included the 'pervasive fine-grain clock gating' too that AMD had shown on their RDNA2 talk. These deleted features are important for efficiency and keep the GPU within it's TDP when trying to work flat out, may explain partly why XSX is under performing
... where the heck is
I remember that Cerny said RDNA2 feature set was malleable.
I think it's definitely possible that the CUs were modified so they could fit on the die. Cerny did mention that RDNA2 CUs are pretty big.
oldergamer
Member
It was a demo, not a final game. Not hard to understand that what we saw will bear no resemblance to what we see next. So its pretty dumb to use an unfinished game compared to a finished game. But go ahead and look stupid
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
I haven't watched the video but I will take a wild guess and say that it was Alex that said the Xbox doesn't seems to use DRS?
series X is not fixed 4k, it's also using DRS like PS5.
So this "sharper" image might just be his bad vision™ which is strangely always adding benefits to Xbox here and there, which is weird otherwise it would hapen to other consoles as well.
That being said coming from a guy that can't recognize Raytracing in video games is it that surprising?
Classicrockfan
Banned
Have they patched ray tracing for the observer system redux for series x ?
Market Cap is nonsense in terms of value.Roblox Corp Is Now Valued At $30 Billion, More Than CD Projekt, Take-Two, And Ubisoft
Roblox Corp Is Now Valued At $30 Billion, More Than CD Projekt, Take-Two, And Ubisoft - exputer.com
Founded in 2004 by Canadian Entrepreneur David Bascuzki and the late Erik Cassel, Roblox Corporation has so far just made one game, Roblox, which has from
You can change value by 100bln with 100 shares and 1mln trading.
130bln market cap - Sony (1400 subsidaries, several dozens facilities, 30% world music share, secind biggest movie/picture entertainment, many real estate, 50% cmos sensor world share and no1 share OLED viefinders etc).
30bln market cap - some company that have one brick game.
Sony assets:
List of assets owned by Sony - Wikipedia
I never udnerstand market cap phenomenon on web
Like Elon Musk last "richest man". He's not richest. He only owns some % of stock that skyrocket with computers help. If he want sell those shares value will down -80%. Market cap of Tesla is nonsense because is bigger than Toyota + VW (Audi, Lambo, Skoda, Bentley, Ducatti) + Mercedes-Benz, and Tesla have no profits and much lower revenue (30 times lower than those companies)
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TLZ
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In what parallel universe was that? When they showed us the game they were showing us final. They only delayed it because of the huge backlash.It was a demo, not a final game. Not hard to understand that what we saw will bear no resemblance to what we see next. So its pretty dumb to use an unfinished game compared to a finished game. But go ahead and look stupid
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