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Nickolaidas
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You know, the more I think about it, and viewing DF's video about the heat the XSX is going to produce and the need to have sufficient cooling solutions, I'm not entirely sure if I want the PS5 to be a 13 TF console with the size of the PS4. I'm afraid this is going to have the same heating / fan problems of the PS4, and I so don't want to go there again. I prefer a 9.2 TF console if that means that the PS5 (for its size) is going to be reasonably cool and not go like a jet engine the second RT effects are displayed on the screen.
squidilix
Member
The PS4 have no problem of heat, just a bad (very bad) thermal past & thermal pad. That's why fan going crazy.
SportsFan581
Member
Agreed. The entire purpose of Lockhart is to be affordable. As far as I know the box isn't streaming focused, with full focus still being on local play at lower resolutions. This should be a nice option. As long as the CPU and SSD are reasonably close to Anaconda in performance, game developers should have no problem handling lower resolutions with 4TF (which will match performance with the One X, given architecture improvements).
Little Chicken
Member
The online drama is still at fever pitch, I see 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
And again, this isn't far off from the "hidden GPU in power brick" fantasy land stuff we heard Xbox fanboys talking about as secret sauce with XBO. You can be better than that.
If XSEX is coming with a 1TB SSD I figure Lockhart could come with a cut-down 128GB (or 256GB) version of that; the CPU will likely be notably downclocked from whatever XSEX's is. If they can keep it to $199 that not only bodes well for Lockhart but ironically Nintendo; assuming they might switch (no pun intended) to AMD for Switch 2, they could potentially get something close to Lockhart in terms of performance and throw in their own portable stuff for $299 in, say, 2022.
AMD have been expanding into mobile markets with solutions targeted there these days, and I don't think Nintendo would be too fussed about Switch 2 being BC with the original. Unless Nvidia can offer a new Tegra solution of suitable capability for a hybrid successor I can easily see Nintendo switching to AMD and going for something just a bit cut-down from Lockhart and mobile-optimized for a Switch 2, handling Switch BC through software emulation or forgoing it altogether.
*Nintendo'll probably do a Switch Pro next year like Sony and MS did with their systems, before a full-on Switch successor.
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Bonus bonus conspiracy thy both have the same exact chip and modifications and we are all a bunch of dummies12. 5 TF all across the board!!!
They are going to be pretty close imo unless there is a large price difference.
The main levers are all the same and the sweet spot of die size, yield, power consumption, performance will be what it will be for a given budget. Assuming both consoles are targeting the same price it is unlikely there will be massive differences in performance between them unless one of the manufacturers wants a large loss leader.
I think we will end up with 350mm Apus and in that area you could fit around 60 CUs + 384 bit bus + 64 rops and clock it to hit 12Tflops and most likely be in the perf/watt sweet spot.
A smaller higher clocked die is going to need more voltage and power and will be much harder to cool due to hot spots rather than pure wattage.
So outside of a large price difference or a company willing to eat more of a loss upfront performance will be pretty close if not identical.
Not really because the data that told them PS5 is 36CU also show another 36CU GPU
I don't take either one of these as fact I'm just asking why are people taking the data that showed 2 different GPUs with 36CUs & coming up with 36 & not 72?
stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
About Arden from ERA
www.resetera.com
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
Anything that makes sense will be ignored.
www.resetera.com
Dim
Banned
The only thing i know for sure from a trusted source with big history in console hacking community is "Sony is about to announce something really awesome"
Last Night from 36C3 CCC
Last Night from 36C3 CCC
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SportsFan581
Member
From what I've seen the CPU downclock is limited 20-25%, inline with the difference in power needed to handle higher resolutions. Storage will certainly not be less than 500GB (I believe the same 1TB drive will be in both). Game install sizes require at least 500GB. RAM will be adjusted downward, also inline with the reduced resolution targets. MS will be subsidizing this box more than Anaconda, hence the lack of disk drive (ensuring MS is not only the licensor, but also the retailer for any game you put on there). While the APU, RAM, Radiator will provide considerable savings, the price gap between the systems will be larger than the net difference in build costs.
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TeamGhobad
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About Arden from ERA
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
Anything that makes sense will be ignored.
good or bad?
Gamernyc78
Banned
The only thing i know for sure from a trusted source with big history in console hacking community is "Sony is about to announce something really awesome"
Last Night from 36C3 CCC
Interesting. I think on the hardware/software front ps5 is going to innovate some things and bring some gd surprises.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
The only thing i know for sure from a trusted source with big history in console hacking community is "Sony is about to announce something really awesome"
Last Night from 36C3 CCC
All of those bullet points above are in regards to security bug-fixing and testing. Why does something tell me this announcement is in regards to that instead of anything particularly related to PS5?
Interesting; so essentially they might be willing to lose more on Lockhart than XSEX with the choices you've laid here. Which, if they want to drive Lockhart adoption rates quickly (people would have to sub and download digitally anyway), probably makes sense.
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Gamernyc78
Banned
This obviously refers to ps4 and firmware upgrades but regardless it could be something interesting.
stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
This just confirms that Arden belongs to Xbox family and can’t be PS5 codename with more CUs.
Maybe... Arden=XSX devkit?? / Sparkman=XSX retail??
TeamGhobad
Banned
what kind of specs are we talking here for both?
Dim
Banned
If you lazy to watch the video Is presentation of oct0xor at CCC ,he came back after 2 weeks in Japan with Sony Interactive Security team and at the end say "Stay tuned Sony is about to announce something really awesome i am sure all of you going to like that".
Is nothing to do with bug security,is a leak hacker to community 99% with hardware announcement ,only a new hardware is something hackers going to like that......
I dont know if "stay tune" means next days,waiting to answer me in tweet
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Gamernyc78
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vpance
Member
The only thing i know for sure from a trusted source with big history in console hacking community is "Sony is about to announce something really awesome"
Last Night from 36C3 CCC
PS5 9.2TF with OtherOS option confirmed.
Dim
Banned
After bug fixed in 7.02 FW and after the end of presentation that tip from oct0xor (a guy who loves to find security holes in Sony hardware)i dont believe is something related to bug-fixing but some info for sharing.
Do you believe a hacking community find a Sony announcement for bug-fix in security "AWESOME" or something they "Going to like that"??????
I believe his knows some ETA for AWESOME Sony annoumncment
stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
Well, both (Arden&Sparkman) have BC with Xbox One, both have 56 CU. Unknow clocks, but for XSX target (12 TH) they should be around ~1.7.
Dim
Banned
OtherOS is not something Sony is going to announcement as AWESOME(too many lawsuits),and you forget the reasons Sony take it away that option from PS3?
Dim
Banned
A new HARDWARE more porewfull with new security mechanisms to hack maybe??????????
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TeamGhobad
Banned
makes sense. are we talking 56 active though?
stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
I have no idea. 4 should be off in retail version.
vpance
Member
Monthly "hack us" contests for prizes and employment maybe.
Dim
Banned
But MS team claim they are on RDNA2 and 7+nm ?????
That means no Xbox 12TF launch for 2020?????????
Maybe XBOX 12TF is a PR trick with early announcement by MS to protect less powerful Lockhart ???????
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stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
Thanks bro.
PS. I'm almost sure that we will not see Lockhart in 2020. But it's just my speculation.
Dim
Banned
Maybeeeeeeee, but is not something you avoid to announce and be more specific about at your end of your presentation.
Not a big secret
Hawking Radiation
Member
No fucking chance.
A 9.2TF PS5 at $399 will do just fine. Pricing any higher than $399 will be a huge gamble.
Perhaps Sony is confident in their SSD tech should give potential buyers something to think about instead of just raw graphical power.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Racer!
Member
So incredibly wrong. Launching with gimped specs is the real gamble. That wont happen though. What youre seeing now is just a lot of noise.
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Dim
Banned
But MS team claim they are on RDNA2 and 7+nm ?????
That means no Xbox 12TF launch for 2020?????????
Maybe XBOX 12TF is a PR trick with early announcement 2nd SKU by MS to protect less powerful Lockhart ???????
In the other side Sony have the advantage to make announcement about a 2nd SKU PS5 more powerfull then?????
I think Sony already calling checkmat
shenmue mugen
Member
People...why are you fighting over these pieces of plastic?
Besides, these consoles will probably get refreshes by mid gen.
Besides, these consoles will probably get refreshes by mid gen.
Dim
Banned
WTF are you say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I say if you lazy to watch,followed by a damn synopsis.
Dont be a drama queen,many people get lazy to watch a video.
You are in period and you get so easy offended????
I dont understand your explosion and where is the insult.
Maybe word lazy trigered you some memories from parents comments.
My apologies if..............
P.S Maybe you lazy to read too
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stopitgetsomehelp
Neo Member
Fitzchiv
Member
Jesus you really are a little bitch aren't you. By the time I get to the most recent page of this shitfest I bet you've gone all-in on this whingey, waaa waaa bullshit.
Dim
Banned
Still very easy for Sony to announce a 2nd SKU too,same architect nothing to test just more powerful.
Very easy.
Why so many chaos in forums where Sony have one more card in hand advantage.
Dim
Banned
100% agree with CameFromNearFuture
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Just me but why get upset and engage people in this manner?
Just ignore people you dont agree with and move on.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Fuck it.
I'm happy with a 9.2TF PS5 that has major advancement in other areas apart from raw graphical power.
If Sony really is going for 'Speed over power' with PS5 then i'm all for it. Developers having 9.2TF to play with is still plenty.
'World's fastest console' ?? I can live with that.
I'm happy with a 9.2TF PS5 that has major advancement in other areas apart from raw graphical power.
If Sony really is going for 'Speed over power' with PS5 then i'm all for it. Developers having 9.2TF to play with is still plenty.
'World's fastest console' ?? I can live with that.
It could happen just as it happened to MS with Xbox One.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Dim
Banned
We know something going to launch at 2020 is not clear what SKU will be launch and the specs is not clear,we use last week PR words and some random diggings as Evangelion
About RDNA with RDNA2 imports is something we know from the day Lisa Lu announce Sony and AMD to Navi cooperation
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