Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Hawking Radiation said:
Uh.. anyone notice the official PS5 website wording has changed to:

We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation. Sign up below to be among the first to receive updates as we announce them, including news on the PS5 release date, PS5 price and the upcoming roster of PS5 launch games.


https://www.playstation.com/en-nz/explore/ps5/#
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What did it say before?

It looks like it's the same text, doesn't it?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-analysis-leaks-thread.1480978/post-256811244
 
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Kazekage1981 said:
So with NVIDIA's ampere supposedly being 70% more powerful than 2080Ti, with its 7nm process and microarchitecture changes, AMD's RDNA 2 2080Ti GPU 'killer' and XsX & PS5 RDNA 1 or RDNA 1.5 will be dead on arrival?

I cant even fathom what this 70% improvement will be. 4k at 240fps? 8k at 120 fps?
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They are only going to give us a 70% better card if they really need to. That is the problem.

I believe that Nvidia COULD give us an amazing chip that actually completely destroys everything we have right now by A LOT, but I doubt they are going to if they don't need to.
It is more likely that are releasing a smaller chip (die size) than the 2080 Ti (which was around 750mm² or so), but thanks to 7nm and architecture it will still be much faster than the 2080 Ti.

If I had to take a guess then I would think Nvidia gives us an RTX 3080 that is 20-30% faster than the RTX 2080 Ti and 1 year laster they will give us the RTX 3080 Ti that is 50-70% faster.

One thing I know for sure and I am 100% certain about : Nvidia is not going to release a REASONABLY PRICED 7nm Graphics Card that is 70% faster than the RTX 2080 Ti.
 
David Ricardo said:
What did it say before?

It looks like it's the same text, doesn't it?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/next...-analysis-leaks-thread.1480978/post-256811244
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Someone on here should have a screengrab of what it said before. It sure as hell didn't say the below:

We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation.

Not sure what the above wording change means but then again 'We've begun to share some...' is a bit of an eye opener in that it seems like they're ready to share something. I don't know, it could be referencing the Wired Article from last year.. I may be reading too much into it.
 
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I thought this was interesting from Albert Penello when asked about how serious Microsoft took leaks of console specs etc.
Kinda explains why there hasn't been too many leaks.


"Ah... people would get pretty frustrated. There absolutely would be someone trying to figure out what happened, and often times there would be repercussions of some sort. Most of the stories that I can recall, the actual way the leaks happened have so many twists-and-turns it's never quite as straightforward as it seems. Some really crazy stories that i could never share. But yeah generally they were taken pretty seriously.

It's funny because if I could get details on just about anything regarding the next-gen consoles, the story behind the back of the XSX photo would be the one question I could ask. I have not seen a takehome kit in person so I don't know if that was real or not - but it looked real to me and I'd love to hear the story. I have to believe someone got busted for that one if it was real.

NDA's are easier to keep then you would think for the people who actually have access to the information. Most of the time people just aren't interested in losing their job for a few minutes of internet fame."
 
Neo Blaster said:
And how can you say those were the only ones being tested? How can you even be sure they are what you think? Once again, context and completeness.
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What do you think is hanging out there? Do you have any idea how expensive it would be to fab two APUs on two separate production lines at the same time?

And YES. You have to fab when you test.

There's no skirting around those kinds of costs. And in the end it doesn't make sense if you had already planned your target specs. What do you need another APU for if you already know what you wanted in the original design?

Again, Oberon sounds great.
 
David Ricardo said:
They choose their clockspeed according to their budget and performance targets. Raising the clocks costs money because you are going to have to throw away apus that were viable at 1.7 Ghz but are not fit to run at 1.8Ghz.
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I Remember when Microsoft were rumoured to have the One X at 6tflops, most people thought this would be done with more Cu's than it actually did, but they pushed the clock higher than people thought it would at that point.
So maybe, just maybe, Sony has decided to push clocks more than have Cu's. Sony may have come up with a new efficient cooling system for the PS5. This is an area they really should excel in given their pedigree with consumer electronics and appliances.

Im pretty set what in what the XSX will be at this point (56 Cu's, 12 tflops with hardware RT), but there is alot more questions with Sony. They arnt idiots, and it could well be that they went with a smaller GPU clocked higher as they have some other silicon on the die which helps in other areas? Maybe something like hardware AA (I know it wont be, its just an example of something)

While im a Xbox guy, I am really more interested to see what Sony has done with their secret sauce. Microsoft I expect will be around VRS and Direct X baked into the GPU, while Sony could be anything.
 
Hawking Radiation said:
Someone on here should have a screengrab of what it said before. It sure as hell didn't say the below:

We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation.

Not sure what the above wording change means but then again 'We've begun to share some...' is a bit of an eye opener in that it seems like they're ready to share something. I don't know, it could be referencing the Wired Article from last year.. I may be reading too much into it.
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I don't see anything in the "we've begun to share" part. To me it reads like acknowledging what they already said in the wired articles and CES.
 
David Ricardo said:
Isn't this like the opposite to what you said in your previous message, where you argued that XBO had headroom because they were all about tv tv tv but with Series X they were going to maximize performance, so it wouldn't matter when Sony reveals specs because MS wouldn't be able to raise their clocks to bridge the gap?
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That's...not what I was saying xD. Basically my point was that this time around, both Sony and MS are going to try pushing the limits of the silicon they have given the headroom that silicon gives them, and see what can be done as long as significant retooling in BOM isn't required to maintain those increases (cost vs. gains). And the teams are going to be pushing for these increases irrespective of what the competition is doing.

Whereas last time around, MS did not prioritize that type of stuff with XBO for a good chunk of its dev cycle because they felt what they had was already sufficient for gaming (and obviously good enough for the multimedia content); they only began doing so after Sony revealed PS4 specifications and their narrative of focusing on games first and foremost won out over MS's multimedia angle (the fallout from MS's always-online plans were also hurtful). That's why they looked into optimizing some of the performance on XBO in terms of gaming by upclocking things like the GPU, because they had the headroom. Comparatively, Sony wasn't able to then uplock themselves because they had already maxed out the headroom in upclocks on PS4 before even revealing it, since they had a different focus with PS4 in mind vs. Microsoft and the XBO.

So essentially, I'm not contradicting anything. Just elaborating the reasoning why we saw a reactionary upclock with XBO this gen after PS4 was revealed. This time around both Sony and MS are looking to maximizing their silicon in terms of how much of that headroom they can saturate while keeping production costs good and making sure the system can perform at stable ranges. So no, there wouldn't be a lot of room for MS to react with late upclocks to XSX regardless when Sony unveils PS5. Likewise, the same applies to Sony if they reveal PS5 specs, and MS reveals XSX specs that outclass them.

I say "mostly" because even if both are focusing on exploring how far they can push into their respective headroom, they have a timetable in doing so, which means they may not have fully maximized their headroom at this point in time. Even so, any upclocks post-reveals would likely be driven more in keeping with already established timetables, not necessarily in a "shock reaction" to the competition.
 
I got on a 2 hour phone call and I don't think I have a grip on whats changed. I am not sure I have this right?

An insider is betting that its tomorrow?
Sony changed the text on the site?
 
Hawking Radiation said:
Someone on here should have a screengrab of what it said before. It sure as hell didn't say the below:

We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation.

Not sure what the above wording change means but then again 'We've begun to share some...' is a bit of an eye opener in that it seems like they're ready to share something. I don't know, it could be referencing the Wired Article from last year.. I may be reading too much into it.
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Of course it's referencing the wired articles..
 
I believe both consoles are going to use 56cu gpu but modified in specific ways to suit each customer.
For instance it is possible that Sony may cut out CU for more RT hardware.
 
Hawking Radiation said:
Someone on here should have a screengrab of what it said before. It sure as hell didn't say the below:

We've begun to share some of the incredible features you can expect from PlayStation 5, but we're not quite ready to fully unveil the next generation of PlayStation.

Not sure what the above wording change means but then again 'We've begun to share some...' is a bit of an eye opener in that it seems like they're ready to share something. I don't know, it could be referencing the Wired Article from last year.. I may be reading too much into it.
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I took this at 8:30AM PST around when it got picked up on GAF. Definitely the same wording.
 
ethomaz said:
I'm starting to wonder how many users (or alts) will never post again on GAF after PS5 specs reveal :D
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Why would someone not post after PS5 spec reveal? Non of us know for sure what the specs are, and we are all just guessing based on what evidence is around before release.
If XSX is more powerful than PS5, are you going to stop posting? Why should you stop, it was nothing in your control.
If you were saying that your KNEW the specs and it turns out wrong, then yeah you should stop posting, although I'm sure the mods would make that decision for you.
And in reality, guessing the console specs is just a bit of fun.
 
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bitbydeath said:
I thought Sony said yesterday that it would be announced around the same time as PS4. That still keeps Feb alive.
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Yeah I still have hope, they have to announce it before GDC 2020 March 16 begins because this is where both consoles' specs are gonna get leaked, so I see Sony want to control how they reveal it, I'm still #TeamKlee to be honest and we will see PS5 reveal in February.
 
bitbydeath said:
I thought Sony said yesterday that it would be announced around the same time as PS4. That still keeps Feb alive.
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Nah they would have sent the invites and announced the date by now like last time. That's why HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 is probably right. If there is something in Feb "around the same time" It will be a State of Play.
 
Found the transcript, I'm surprised there were no articles about it today.

Mikio Hirakawa -- Bank of America Merrill Lynch -- Analyst

The PS5 is to be launched in the selling season toward the end of the year. So what would be the guidance -- the future guidance for March '21? You have not disclosed the price for PS5. So what would happen to the guidance that you will be releasing in April for the next fiscal year?

Hiroki Totoki -- Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

It's very difficult to really discuss this timing-wise, but as of today, we will provide the guidance at a time period, which is comparable to the past. So we will not change the time schedule.
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www.fool.com

Sony Corporation (SNE) Q3 2019 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

SNE earnings call for the period ending December 31, 2019.
www.fool.com www.fool.com
 
bitbydeath said:
Found the transcript, I'm surprised there were no articles about it today.



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SNE earnings call for the period ending December 31, 2019.
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Junya Ayada -- J.P. Morgan -- Analyst

Thank you. The second question is on the Game and Network Service, and please answer, if you can, to the best you can. Mr. Totoki said that you intend to have a smooth transition to the new generation. And as you do so, what are the factors that you can control such as marketing or development cost? Or there could be factors which are not visible, could be volume or price? So the best you can, can you discuss on what you can discuss and what is already visible?

Hiroki Totoki -- Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer

First, we must absolutely control the labor cost, the personnel cost. It must be controlled. And it leads to what should be recognized as a cost. We will definitely control that. And the initial ramp-up, how much can we prepare initially? We will work on the production and the sales. And we will have to prepare the right volume as we launch this. And what is not very clear or visible is because we are competing in the space. So, it's very difficult to discuss anything about the price at this point of time. And depending upon the price level, we may have to determine the promotion that we are going to deploy and how much costs we are prepared to pay. So, it's a question of balance and because it's a balancing act, it's very difficult to say anything concrete at this point of time, but when I said smooth transition, we mean that we will definitely choose the optimal approach and that we would try to have the best balance so that will be profitable in the life -- during the life of this product.
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bitbydeath said:
Found the transcript, I'm surprised there were no articles about it today.



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Sony Corporation (SNE) Q3 2019 Earnings Call Transcript | The Motley Fool

SNE earnings call for the period ending December 31, 2019.
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Nice fucking job

James Sawyer Ford said:
He's talking about the timing schedule of financial guidance...not necessarily a console reveal
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That whole 2nd part reads like a translation error. They are talking about finding out costs in the context of the console. These people on the call asking questions wont find out before us.
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
It's feb 5 th . Is it happening today ? Maybe another wired article ?nothing ? Who knows lol

we ll find out in 8 9 hours
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Yeah maybe we'll see another WIRED article detailing its specs and maybe a reveal announcement as that new discovered PS5 website wasn't new like today, someone had to search up the link and changed the link from "PS4" to "PS5", sony didn't officially unveil this website page, unless you got the link externally, and that PS5 website was initially done in December 19th 2019 according to Its "sign up to get your news update" so that means that the website was here longer than we thought, and they said they'll reveal PS5 price, release date and its roster of games, they didn't talk about specs, maybe its specs gets unveiled in a WIRED article like this week/today or in a couple of days or maybe they'll announce their reveal event this day? We don't know for sure...but it is interesting to say the least.
 
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schaft0620 said:
Greg Miller on PS XOXO this week,

"I have a couple of embargoed things that are happening pretty imminently, that are so fucking cool, but I can't talk about, but its that thing (cutting out where he gets sidetracked) where these two things, these awesome things that are so close, aren't close enough I can't commit any time to other things."

Here
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Eh...he's talking about not wanting to commit to starting some new games until TLOU2 and Cyberpunk come out. I think it's likely (unfortunately) that he's talking about something related to some GAMES that is embargoed....not hardware. Why would hardware being released in November cause him to re-evaluate his plans on what games to play? I dunno. I HOPE he's talking about a PS5 reveal. It just doesn't seem likely to me.
 
Sinthor said:
Eh...he's talking about not wanting to commit to starting some new games until TLOU2 and Cyberpunk come out. I think it's likely (unfortunately) that he's talking about something related to some GAMES that is embargoed....not hardware. Why would hardware being released in November cause him to re-evaluate his plans on what games to play? I dunno. I HOPE he's talking about a PS5 reveal. It just doesn't seem likely to me.
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I think you're right.
 
Mriverz said:
If invites was sent out 2013 on jan 31 for a feb 20 showing, feb 5th should be good for the 25/26
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I feel like ps meeting is in may or something . We might get the specs this months though but the show , like launch line up and stuff will be much later based on the language of the ps5 website
 
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