Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Previously, Kaz Hirai said why to go first in showing their then next gen consoles and few days later Sony announced, PlayStation meeting.

Now, I am not saying the same is going to repeat but I think Sony can still do reveal in February itself.
And what exactly is Kaz Hirai's role at Sony? Yes, he retired last year.
 
If. Sony is waiting for Ms to drop their price reveal. One could assume that these consoles are on par with each other. Personally dont see why they will need to wait if its only 9.2 or 10.
 
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If. Sony is waiting for Ms to drop their price reveal. One could assume that these consoles are on par with each other. Personally dont see why they will need to wait if its only 9.2 or 10.

I can see them waiting as long as possible and not reveal specs too early for MS to react with upclocks.
 
If. Sony is waiting for Ms to drop their price reveal. One could assume that these consoles are on par with each other. Personally dont see why they will need to wait if its only 9.2 or 10.

Sure can.

PS5 at 9.2 and XSX at 12 - wait so you can price $100 lower
PS5 at 12 and XSX at 12 - wait so you can see how much losses you really have to take (if MS goes 499, they do the same)
PS5 at 10 and XSX at 10 - same as above

But at one point they will have to show their cards, traditionally this has been at E3, so with Sony not being at E3 I expect a reveal to happen shortly after E3.
 
I believe more than before that something might happen tomorrow. It would be weird to reveal the console out of nowhere, but maybe announce the reveal date?

3 weeks ago: Sony will send out invites for the event on the 5th tomorrow
2 weeks ago: Sony will send out invites for the event on the 12th tomorrow
1 week ago: Sony has booked the 29th. They will announce it any day now
Today: They will send out invites for the event later this month tomorrow

When exactly are you willing to accept defeat?
 
They're not going to put a sign up page to reveal the console the same month. Our best hope is GDC2020 leaks and probably nothing until around E3 time when Microsoft reveal the price.
 

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Sure can.

PS5 at 9.2 and XSX at 12 - wait so you can price $100 lower
PS5 at 12 and XSX at 12 - wait so you can see how much losses you really have to take (if MS goes 499, they do the same)
PS5 at 10 and XSX at 10 - same as above

But at one point they will have to show their cards, traditionally this has been at E3, so with Sony not being at E3 I expect a reveal to happen shortly after E3.
That you can't even have an assumption PS5 is above XSX is very telling....🤔
 

Said Sony Managing CFO Hiroki Totoki.

"The PS4, which has been in its seventh year since its release, has been declining in sales due to the announcement of the next-generation PS5. Compared to the past transition period, the business model has been changed from package to network, and stable profits can be expected there. We are striving to provide affordable prices in the architecture, and hope that this will also contribute to a smooth transition. "


affordable prices = $ 399
 
It makes a lot of sense for Ms to offer proprietary drives seeing as the games will be built to use the speed of SSD.

But I'm going to be blunt here and say I'm really not looking forward to MS raping me with the prices... They jack them up so high I would never even entertain the idea...

Maybe things will change this time.

Maybe...
Is it's true maybe are optionals...you can still use the storage you want
 

Said Sony Managing CFO Hiroki Totoki.

"The PS4, which has been in its seventh year since its release, has been declining in sales due to the announcement of the next-generation PS5. Compared to the past transition period, the business model has been changed from package to network, and stable profits can be expected there. We are striving to provide affordable prices in the architecture, and hope that this will also contribute to a smooth transition. "


affordable prices = $ 399

Hmm interesting.

This being said, do people still expect a 12TF or 13TF console for $399 ?
 
3 weeks ago: Sony will send out invites for the event on the 5th tomorrow
2 weeks ago: Sony will send out invites for the event on the 12th tomorrow
1 week ago: Sony has booked the 29th. They will announce it any day now
Today: They will send out invites for the event later this month tomorrow

When exactly are you willing to accept defeat?
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By the way, Sony Hall is too small. I don't think they are going to do anything there so I don't keep track of which days it's booked.
 

Said Sony Managing CFO Hiroki Totoki.

"The PS4, which has been in its seventh year since its release, has been declining in sales due to the announcement of the next-generation PS5. Compared to the past transition period, the business model has been changed from package to network, and stable profits can be expected there. We are striving to provide affordable prices in the architecture, and hope that this will also contribute to a smooth transition. "


affordable prices = $ 399
May also mean a heavy subsiding, they'll compensate with network and services.
 
Old news lol

edit: nevermind it's new!


Poor guy didn't realize that everyone assumed same from the moment they saw the port. LOL

CFE is overpriced because it can be as a professional product. Assuming MS uses a controller on the MB and not the expansion cards, the pricing wouldn't be that bad. As long as the cards are proprietary, MS may be able to license CFE technology without the big price tag (since these cards wouldn't cannibalize CFE's primary market).
 
Why would I? The
That you can't even have an assumption PS5 is above XSX is very telling....🤔
Why would I? The only verified leak (AMD, they took it down) says Xbox is way ahead. Every insider leak says that the two are basically a match and so close together that it won't result in a noticeable difference. Is there any leak that says XSX is at 10 and PS5 at 12?
 

Said Sony Managing CFO Hiroki Totoki.

"The PS4, which has been in its seventh year since its release, has been declining in sales due to the announcement of the next-generation PS5. Compared to the past transition period, the business model has been changed from package to network, and stable profits can be expected there. We are striving to provide affordable prices in the architecture, and hope that this will also contribute to a smooth transition. "


affordable prices = $ 399



Pick your poison lol and paradigm
 
If the Xbox is using CFx for its primary storage (2GB/s) it may explain the rumours of the PS5 having a faster drive?

I think that around 2gb/s are fast enough because the memoryextention don't have to share bandwith.
The internal storage of the XsX has to be faster, for the needs of RAM, recording, writing, etc.
 
Hmm interesting.

This being said, do people still expect a 12TF or 13TF console for $399 ?

I don't take that post as meaning it will be a $399 console, even the way Mark Cerny talked about it to Wired it sounds like it will be more than $400, now how much more is the question...probably going to be $450-500, I think anything over $500 is suicide, which my guess by their comment they meant not another $600 launch console.
 
Why would I? The

Why would I? The only verified leak (AMD, they took it down) says Xbox is way ahead. Every insider leak says that the two are basically a match and so close together that it won't result in a noticeable difference. Is there any leak that says XSX is at 10 and PS5 at 12?
Huh, Klee and Osiris both say PS5 > XSX.

Xbox shills are funny, they really embrace GitHub leaks as fact, even though there's nothing official yet. So far, it can be PS5 < XSX, PS5 = XSX or PS5 > XSX.
 
Huh, Klee and Osiris both say PS5 > XSX.

Xbox shills are funny, they really embrace GitHub leaks as fact, even though there's nothing official yet. So far, it can be PS5 < XSX, PS5 = XSX or PS5 > XSX.

It has turned into the Schrödinger's cat of system specs, the PS5 is both more powerful and less power than the XSX...until the reveal...
 

Said Sony Managing CFO Hiroki Totoki.

"The PS4, which has been in its seventh year since its release, has been declining in sales due to the announcement of the next-generation PS5. Compared to the past transition period, the business model has been changed from package to network, and stable profits can be expected there. We are striving to provide affordable prices in the architecture, and hope that this will also contribute to a smooth transition. "


affordable prices = $ 399
Translation: Our console is 9.2 tflops. Eat your heart out, internet forums.
 
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I don't know, some Xbox guys think Sony is bad at engineering consoles, because a mid-gen refresh that came out one year later and costs 100 dollars more, is more powerful. Only reason I think Xbox could be more powerful is that their console has that tower like form factor. If Sony goes the way of a traditional console form factor there is only so much they can put into it. But Sony didn't show anything yet so for me they are close to Series X until proven otherwise. Sony brought out 4 consoles and never cheaped out compared to the competition
 
I'm really fine with a 9.ish TF PS5 at $399
I put my money on double digit. There is some psychological factor to this. Like when you buy a product that is 499 instead of 500. It makes you feel better. It is ingrained into us. 9 imo would sound shit compared to 10-12 although 9 is still powerful. I hope I can get my point across :D
 
Xbox shills are funny

Knock this off. What is it with you people insulting anyone who even slightly disagrees with you? You have to be very sensitive to use an insult as a go-to or labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a shill.

These discussions are supposed to be at least somewhat respectful even if you disagree.

I don't know, some Xbox guys think Sony is bad at engineering consoles, because a mid-gen refresh that came out one year later and costs 100 dollars more, is more powerful. Only reason I think Xbox could be more powerful is that their console has that tower like form factor. If Sony goes the way of a traditional console form factor there is only so much they can put into it. But Sony didn't show anything yet so for me they are close to Series X until proven otherwise. Sony brought out 4 consoles and never cheaped out compared to the competition

This is true but they've also never outright steamrolled competitors in all aspects for any gen other than PS4/XBO, which we already know was more due to MS shooting themselves in both feet and the chest.

PS1: N64 had more geometry/polygon throughput, an actual Z-buffer, faster CPU and better texturing (via RAM Expansion cart). Saturn had more raw CPU power, better 2D hardware and more RAM (both internally and with optional RAM expansion cartridge).

PS2: Gamecube had better lighting, polygon geometry output, faster CPU, more powerful GPU. Xbox had more powerful CPU and GPU, and GPU-orientated features the other systems lacked (such as bump-mapping through hardware). Dreamcast had more VRAM, deferred rendering and resolution support.

PS3: 360 had better RAM solution (unified memory), and better GPU.

..and keep in mind in each of those instances there was at least one other system that launched alongside or even before Sony's, so not all of these differences are due to competitor platforms having came out later.
 
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Why does this all seem to me like Sony is behind schedule or they have been caught with their pants down wih PS5?

- Sony CFO saying they waiting to decide the price
- Sony revealing the logo during CES
- The silence on PS5 for months at a time
- People like Jason, Zhuge et al have not leaked anything substantial regarding PS5
- Microsoft has so far revealed Series X and a trailer of a next gen game

Im not thinking doom and gloom for PS5 or Sony. Its just that there is nothing to report on PS5 apart from that wired article last year. One would think to get the console reveal out of the way so that E3 time Sony can focus on the games and services.

Its all just weird and eerily quiet from Sony and anyone in the know (insiders)
 
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