Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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XcloudTimdog said:
Hey brother love your post so i figure i join in. Heard that Sony is indeed afraid to show the form factor thats why they are in wait and see mode. Form factor dead giveaway, and also these consoles are indeed 499, or wait and see mode is worried that both are that price and one has superior specs . Hence why we are in waiting mode , some On team X wanna go bold and say specs, because they know what they have in machine is more powerful "also more expensive", but cooler heads prevail, let the weaker one try and decide gameplan & wait out. Reveal set for April but who knows for Now for Xnormous. Also this ssd hype, heard both will be same, and Xnormous will actually have better Ray Traces = More Cus. Anyway thats my sights and when the time comes i will either anti up or I will graciously love everyone here and accept another medal . None the less love you all
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.....and the pot stirring continues. About the "only" time you love "us". Had to get in on this one yeah?
 
SlimySnake said:
Phil talking to timdog tells me more about Phil than anyone else. im not even surprised. MS fans have always felt like a cult to me, and i have no doubt MS encourages it. Adam Greenberg tweeting back timdog all those years ago made no sense to me. After all, why pick out and tweet a random twitter fanboy? Wouldnt be surprised if Timdog and misterxmedia get invited to xbox fanfest as well. Why pay astroturfers when your fans will do the work for you.

It was crazy to see how so many xbox insiders came out of the woodwork immediately after the ps5 wired article proclaiming how the xbox was more powerful and that the PS5 didnt have hardware RT. they were verified so we were supposed to believe them. but it felt very coordinated and the timing was very suspicious. this was back in april so they couldnt have known about the github leaks either. but im guessing MS execs knew. Penello knew for sure. You promise Timdog the xbox is stronger and he convinces 16,000 followers on twitter just like that.

it's all very icky. i wish sony interacted with their fans a bit more, but the way timdog handles himself on twitter and here is simply not something MS or Phil Spencer should ever dream of associating with. Let alone encourage it like they have by using these fans to do controlled leaks, harass reporters like Andrew Reiner, Jason Schrier and Klee into submission, and flood forums with misinformation while harassing any insider that dares to say otherwise.
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Agreed. It's pretty bad and dont see why he hasn't been banned here. Seems like a cool guy but definitely not adding anything to the forum but controversy and giant troll behaviors.
 
Hmm think Sony is still in a shake up from the shawn layden departure? Could be why everything is so hush hush. #Bringbacklayden!
 
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OsirisBlack said:
Game graphics engine designer working on both consoles says, and I quote. "The differences between these machines is negligible. Yes one edges out the other slightly but so what, our game looks and runs phenomenally."

when pressed about the old numbers still being correct 11.6 and 12.4 response I got was."Not going to do that to youagain, some tweaks same ballpark, same advantages and disadvantages."

about their games presentation, they have a trailer cut and ready to show..

Asked about bc for both systems and was told "Game doesn't have to work on PS4 but we are dealing with both current X systems." Out of respect I won't quote exactly what he said about it but it seems they aren't letting current gen hold them back. I'd avoid ambitious games that are definitely aimed at PS5 and XseX if I didn't own one or a good gaming computer.

His final thoughts, "Everyone is missing the big picture. We're running at native 4k and locked 60 with room to spare on both kits.We are able to implement systems and gameplay devices that would crush current consoles, our Lighting alone current gen drops the game to under 20fps at very low resolutions."

Im going to see if I can actually get him or someone else to commit to an interview about their current games. By commit I mean put his name out their we just won't be able to go into much detail about the systems but they are primed to show off 000000 O.
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I have a question concerning the processing power of the GPU. Did your source make some comparison to some PC GPUs? Like, is it comparable to the RTX 2080 or less? Thx!
 
OsirisBlack said:
Not sure what they have to be afraid of and the price has been (rumored to be) $499 for a while now and that's at a loss. SSD being the same? First I'd have heard about it but I'm sure you have direct access to Phil, tell him K said hello. Better ray tracing also, whew I guess Sony should just cancel the PS5 altogether and get out of the gaming business. Form factor, guessing you're the only one in this forum that hasn't seen the bulky, loud and hot PS5 dev kit. There's a reason for that and not just because it looks like the Roman numeral five. You're probably right though, Sony is doomed.

Edited to add: And weaker.
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About time OsirisBlack OsirisBlack - you have always been respectful no matter your speculations. This guy has always got his nose up in the air. It reminds me of certain supporters of certain political views. Foaming at mouth. He is super passive aggressive and it's getting old.
 
sonomamashine said:
10,4tf ps5/xsx 10,8tf clock @1700 can deliver better visuals than what Ms showed at E3 (Halo 4k60).

When thirst affect your judgement, i don't know why they still believe.
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I truly don't think people understand just how amazing Halo looked at E3. It was running at 60fps, the quality of the textures on the pilot's clothing were incredible. The geometry on the character and in the surrounding environment looked excellent. And we have to keep in mind what type of game Halo is. This game also appears more open this time around. That game was far more impressive than people realize. I think when we get the first gameplay a lot of people are going to be absolutely blown away when they see how the game's art style comes together with what 343 is doing technically with the engine on Xbox Series X.
 
Anyone believing that dumb stuff timdog says you are equally as dumb. You do realise he is a raging xbox fanboy and say anything negative about MS he becomes the saltiest MF on the planet. He isnt a insider, he doesnt know Jack shit.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
I truly don't think people understand just how amazing Halo looked at E3. It was running at 60fps, the quality of the textures on the pilot's clothing were incredible. The geometry on the character and in the surrounding environment looked excellent. And we have to keep in mind what type of game Halo is. This game also appears more open this time around. That game was far more impressive than people realize. I think when we get the first gameplay a lot of people are going to be absolutely blown away when they see how the game's art style comes together with what 343 is doing technically with the engine on Xbox Series X.
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It was nothing special for a cutscene. Halo 5 looks amazing in cutscenes too, but then you switch to gameplay and it's a massive difference. NX Gamer analysed this and said that the cutscene from Infinite is no proof it will look like that in gameplay.
 
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Brudda26 said:
Anyone believing that dumb stuff timdog says you are equally as dumb. You do realise he is a raging xbox fanboy and say anything negative about MS he becomes the saltiest MF on the planet. He isnt a insider, he doesnt know Jack shit.
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Goes both ways, people post stuff from MBG, Fox and other PS fanboys here all the time.
 
I'm not being fooled by Tommy Fisher,
SenjutsuSage said:
I truly don't think people understand just how amazing Halo looked at E3. It was running at 60fps, the quality of the textures on the pilot's clothing were incredible. The geometry on the character and in the surrounding environment looked excellent. And we have to keep in mind what type of game Halo is. This game also appears more open this time around. That game was far more impressive than people realize. I think when we get the first gameplay a lot of people are going to be absolutely blown away when they see how the game's art style comes together with what 343 is doing technically with the engine on Xbox Series X.
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I don't agree, it didn't look anything special and remember this is a game that has to run primarily on the XB1 with its netbook CPU and HDD.

On top of that, 343 has shown they do not have talent on par with the best in the industry like ND, Guerilla Games etc to push the artstyle to something noteworthy. That's just reality. If Infinite was going to be visually mind blowing, how come Halo 5 was bang average visuals wise? This is very telling. By contrast, Uncharted 4 or Horizon: ZD were absolutely mind blowing on PS4. Some devs have the set-up and environment to push visuals to their limit. Others do not, 343 is one of them and history has shown this.
 
As a general rule to remember , Most of youtubers know nothing about next gen NDA stuff as its so easy to track where they got fed from and no one would be willing to take such risk. Once in a blue moon maybe but none of them are getting consistenly info from Ms and Sony side .unless its controlled leak by ms or sony to use them as pr machine to control the narrative.
Other than that , They are just raging fanboys wanting to make some tiny amount of money and fame while being themselves, raging fanboys.
 
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If i remember correctly before the PS4 Pro was announced some information got complicated as eventually it turned out that 2 new Playstations were revealed, the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro. What if now the same thing is happening? What if Sony (and maybe Microsoft too) are not only preparing new Consoles but also preparing slimmer models of their existing consoles and trying to use similar chips (to save money?) and all these lower power results are the results of that?
 
Shio said:
If i remember correctly before the PS4 Pro was announced some information got complicated as eventually it turned out that 2 new Playstations were revealed, the PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro. What if now the same thing is happening? What if Sony (and maybe Microsoft too) are not only preparing new Consoles but also preparing slimmer models of their existing consoles and trying to use similar chips (to save money?) and all these lower power results are the results of that?
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A 9tf navi ps4 for 299? Sign me up for that shit lol(no)
 
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JAMMA said:
I found your write up, very informative about the added sharpness (the problem) and the excessive AA (the overcompensation).

While researching I found that people on Resetera responding to you have no grounding in reality. This particular response was cringeworthy as they have no idea what calibration even is apparently? Nothing could be more neutral and non-bias than representation on a calibrated display.

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WEEEEEEeeeel excuse him! What a dimwit. 😂
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I don't post on RE that much, for the simple reason if you say milk is white, somebody comes along and tells you it's not. But then you're not really allowed to ask why and have a discussion. People are in mods pockets, and sadly, nobody has a sense of humour. I have a sarcastic posting style, which on RE is suicide because nobody there can take a joke.

NeoGaf can be bad with people not agreeing. Heaven forbid you post anything Xbox positive in this thread, because Sony > MS 20:1 here. But here, you can at least have somewhat of a discussion with most people. Sure most wont listen 🤣 but you can at least discuss things without people running to the mods for no reason.

As per that original post, I actually forget what it was all about? If memory serves me, Resident Evil 2 has a sharpening filter applied to its visuals. This causes a lot of noise with high frequency detail, so, high specular components. Essentially anything bright will be turned to white, and look overbright, but more importantly anything small and thin will stand out more. So I'm the case of let's say rain outdoors, it's much sharper and aliased, and flickers. Using TXAA+FAA will help with this, as it's a post process filter which is applied to the whole screen. it's faster than traditional AA because it doesn't have to detect edges, however it's also like putting an entire blur over the screen. Far detail is blended, but sharp pixel perfect effects (like that rain, or your reflections) are blended together.

The Pro version only uses singular AA, and as such looks sharper. Much sharper. But also doesn't blur these details out. The X version uses both and looks more blurry (despite being higher resolution even), especially on things over distance. But it won't have this attifacting but, well, the AA is aggressive to the point of removing that high frequency detail.

I seem to remember there was also talk about colour grading as well? Which is a bit busted in RE2 as they push their blacks into blue territory.

Of course, you try discussing this with little Tommy who doesn't have the first clue what AA even is, much less writes his own shaders and understands the language behind them...
 
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Mod of War Mod of War User camefromthenearfuture was banned because he refused verification process and continued to pose as an "insider", even after several warnings. User xcloudtimdog does the same, yet you let him be. Partiality.
 
The mods are aware of these people, and don't just let people pose as anybody just for the fun of it.

Timdog is a fanboy, for sure, but I'll be honest, that last post from Osiris really did push way into fanboy territory as well.

Like I said, use your heads and cut through the BS, and come to your own conclusions. Nothing better than hard cold facts, and at the moment, this thread is very short on those.
 
People still saying Sony is afraid because they didn't reveal anything related to a new console 《 PS5 》 .. ok here we go again

You still waiting for Sony to make a move and they will not , they just made a PS5 page telling you that 《 no fuckin way we tell info in the near future 》no fuckin way they making an event in Feb or Mar .. they may show something about the controller in SOP or any info not related to the BIG features of PS5 .. you must understand that Sony has more important things more than PS5 and that would be The line up of big games coming to PS4 this year , PS4 still selling and will go higher with those exclusives games like TLOU2 FFR7 GOT Dream .. just stop the nonsense!

And think about it for a sec .. it's a strategy we are talking about Sony not a candy store
 
So page 900, will we get a clue before page 1000?

I'm going to say we will at least know the announcement date by page 1000.
 
Kusarigama said:
Mod of War Mod of War User camefromthenearfuture was banned because he refused verification process and continued to pose as an "insider", even after several warnings. User xcloudtimdog does the same, yet you let him be. Partiality.
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Anyone who is familiar with Tim knows he has contacts within MS, because he talks with them frequently on various YT videos. You want to verify someone who is already verified?
 
pawel86ck said:
According to leaks Sony wanted to launch much weaker PS5 in 2019 two years ago, so OsirisBlack info could be correct back then.

Compared to other insiders Osiris Black wrote many specific details in regards to next gen consoles. We will know SOON if his info was correct or not.
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No, because those same leaks say that Sony changed plans in early 2018. Can't select a leak that works with your agenda and then not use the parts in it you don't like. If the leak regarding a 2019 launch plan is correct, so is the information that plans changed in early 2018. So if in late 2018 somebody talks about specs (that would be even higher than what Ariel was, which was at 1.8 GHz early 2019) nothing makes any sense. It's simply false information. That 2.1 GHz Navi GPU would have been 9.68 TF.
 
Apparently someone who is in association work with SONY has accidentally post a pic with the following - poorly translated to English-
" They had to move us to new offices to continue the supply of PS5 .....!!!! deadline is May " this comment might has something to do with Corona virus outbreak in China and its affect on hand workers who supply chain the console .

PS5
 
StreetsofBeige said:
Looks like SeX at 12TF and PS5 at 9.2TF every day that passes.

Sony being too chicken to tell gamers about PS5 doesn't help.

Last gen, PS4 was already itching the reveal and ready to PR 8gb GDDR5 ram.

Sony doesn't seem to excited this time.
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I tend to believe developers more and many said that Xbox Series X and Ps5 are about equal in power.
 
SenjutsuSage said:
I truly don't think people understand just how amazing Halo looked at E3. It was running at 60fps, the quality of the textures on the pilot's clothing were incredible. The geometry on the character and in the surrounding environment looked excellent. And we have to keep in mind what type of game Halo is. This game also appears more open this time around. That game was far more impressive than people realize. I think when we get the first gameplay a lot of people are going to be absolutely blown away when they see how the game's art style comes together with what 343 is doing technically with the engine on Xbox Series X.
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I recall Daniele Giannetti (architect of the Slipspace engine) mentioning that "Halo Infinite has the most cutting edge engine on the planet." to IGN. I am interested if this claim will hold up. But if it's pushing 60fps, I bet there will be better looking games out there that are aiming for 30fps.

But who cares, more Halo is always welcome for me.
 
SlimySnake said:
Phil talking to timdog tells me more about Phil than anyone else. im not even surprised. MS fans have always felt like a cult to me, and i have no doubt MS encourages it. Adam Greenberg tweeting back timdog all those years ago made no sense to me. After all, why pick out and tweet a random twitter fanboy? Wouldnt be surprised if Timdog and misterxmedia get invited to xbox fanfest as well. Why pay astroturfers when your fans will do the work for you.

It was crazy to see how so many xbox insiders came out of the woodwork immediately after the ps5 wired article proclaiming how the xbox was more powerful and that the PS5 didnt have hardware RT. they were verified so we were supposed to believe them. but it felt very coordinated and the timing was very suspicious. this was back in april so they couldnt have known about the github leaks either. but im guessing MS execs knew. Penello knew for sure. You promise Timdog the xbox is stronger and he convinces 16,000 followers on twitter just like that.

it's all very icky. i wish sony interacted with their fans a bit more, but the way timdog handles himself on twitter and here is simply not something MS or Phil Spencer should ever dream of associating with. Let alone encourage it like they have by using these fans to do controlled leaks, harass reporters like Andrew Reiner, Jason Schrier and Klee into submission, and flood forums with misinformation while harassing any insider that dares to say otherwise.
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Hope not. And get down on Xbox fans mentality level. Please no. It would be too much. :) At least i have fun reading crap provided by Xbox fans on Twitter. Let Phil & others support them.
 
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darkinstinct said:
No, because those same leaks say that Sony changed plans in early 2018. Can't select a leak that works with your agenda and then not use the parts in it you don't like. If the leak regarding a 2019 launch plan is correct, so is the information that plans changed in early 2018. So if in late 2018 somebody talks about specs (that would be even higher than what Ariel was, which was at 1.8 GHz early 2019) nothing makes any sense. It's simply false information. That 2.1 GHz Navi GPU would have been 9.68 TF.
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So make a bet with Osiris black. If his information in regards to next gen consoles will be wrong he gets banned (unlike other insiders he share very specific details so we will know if he was lying or not), however if his information will end up correct then you WIN a ban :D. Cant you see how easy it is? 😉😃
 
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So, like, out of the PS5 and SX, which one will make me hotter with the ladies? Because if they are so close in power, I need to know which one will get me more reach arounds on average.

Lets gooooooooo.
 
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OsirisBlack said:
Yes you will.


I have only shared what I was told. Which leaks actually becoming reality? Hey guys Sony has a new ghosts of Tsushima trailer. Shown a week later. hey guys MS is done with the box, Shown a week later. Its ok to not like what I say or even point but when shits wrong but when it happens recognize it and credit it. No one said any of that shit before I did but I have to keep hearing about old shit and not the shit that just went down. I have no agenda I actually like both companies and their products. The machines being pretty even is a very good thing for everyone and any conversation stating otherwise is just someone pushing a fanboy agenda. Iv'e previously stated who my sources were and it hasn't changed I am working on actually getting someone to put their name on something and am relatively close. Not the Soony kind either. Also what happened in the time frame I posted? just out of curiosity, I suppose that was a coincidence. As for dates you better pay attention to the world news.
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Care to point me towards where you said anything about a new Tsushima trailer or that the devkit is the final box? Because the search function doesn't return any such results.

Also for a person with no agenda you sure took some smashing hits at Tim when he says something that doesn't sound great about PS5. Not the reaction I would expect from an objective person.
 
Mriverz said:
Hmm think Sony is still in a shake up from the shawn layden departure? Could be why everything is so hush hush. #Bringbacklayden!
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Why would the boss of their studios have an impact? He's just a figurehead. Doesn't impact hardware development at all and should not impact software development either. It's not like a company stops functioning if they get a new CEO.
 
pawel86ck said:
So make a bet with Osiris black. If his information in regards to next gen consoles will be wrong he gets banned (unlike other insiders he share very specific details so we will know if he was lying or not), however if his information will end up correct then you WIN a ban :D. Cant you see how easy it is? 😉😃
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I'm not into childish games, too old for that at 63.
 
Shmunter said:
Wait, so the 3rd party mandate for Xbox has been announced by Microsoft as the platform holder? So far everything has been pointing to Xbox being the platform, not Series X. No differentiation has been made between 1st and 3rd party.

But your right, if making Xbox S game, you'd expect PS4 version. Otherwise increased 3rd party PS5 exclusives are assured as far as what has actually been stated thus far.
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There is no 3rd party mandate for Xbox. Matt Booty was asked at X019 about supporting Xbox One and One X in the future. He said that it's important for them that their customers know that if they buy a console now, they can expect support in the future. And that's why all games from Xbox Games Studios (aka first party games) will come out on all Xbox consoles for the next year or two. That's it. Everything that was made out of this statement is just console warring. You can launch an XSX exclusive title no problem. Just Microsoft has chosen for their own games that they can't do that because back when they killed OG Xbox and went to 360 they have gotten a ton of bad press for abandoning their users and not supporting them with games.
 
kretos said:
I hope both consoles are exactly the same, fuck this shit i'm fed up with all the talk about which has more 1 tf or whatever, i want to see more talk about the games and exclusives
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I'm with you.

But I don't know if you understand how many people in here hope that PS5 is better. People are obsessed with PS5 specs.
 
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