Neo Blaster
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I think I saw some time a dev talking about how they develop games targeting the top config for PCs, then scaling back for lesser configs and consoles.
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MasterCornholio
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So is this essentially what Virtual Ram is? But since the SSD is alot faster alot of functions of the OS can be out in virtual memory.
ethomaz
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Sony said it is RDNA 2 RT implementation.
Yes but Virtual Memory on Windows is used when you already near to use all the RAM (for obvious reasons) while on consoles they can optimize to use it any time.
It is called Swap in Unix based systems.
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Radical_3d
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Hmmm… but what about the share option? How much RAM consumes to record 4K @ 60fps? You can't keep writing that in the SSD without destroying it after a couple of years of use (and consuming those much needed GB/s). Thus my argument again about this generation being scarce in RAM.
VanSiriusGabriel
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Regardless, what could Pro do that base PS4 couldn't, if we already take into account the extra res?
This could be a similar situation, two mostly identical set up but one less powerful. I wont take Xbox One X as an example because it was 3-4 years after One, it seems that in terms of GPU we are looking at 3x difference in worst case, it may be 2x, more around PS4-PS4 Pro difference than anything else, and it will likely be freed up with res drop.
I think the main point is RAM, especially because next gen has "only" 16 GBs already, and I have the impression that memory is less scalable than GPU at this point. Devs from The Outer Words cutted some parts not only because of time, but due to memory.
We will see, but my take is that screaming at 4-6 TFs like means something it's a bit too much.
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ethomaz
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If I'm not wrong Share on PS4 didn't use RAM at all... it write directly to HDD.
You can do that with SSD and it will lives longer than usual HDD.
Dory16
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Quote or link please. They said they had RDNA2 and HW accelerated RT. Still have to see confirmation that it's AMD's standard RT implementation or the same that's in the XSX.
xool
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If it's this https://gamerant.com/fable-4-xbox-series-x-leak-screenshot-image/ it's not - try here https://www.neogaf.com/threads/welc...ames-rpg-studio.1493140/page-2#post-257812685
If it's this one
it isn't either, see https://www.artstation.com/artwork/lVo0A5
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ethomaz
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Metroiddarks
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Also If I remember the PS4 use a second small chip for secondary tasks, this work only for sleep mode,
background downloads or also for share feature ?
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation+4+Teardown/19493?
How Xbox one do that ?
ethomaz
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They wanted to use it but I believe they never archived that.
It uses the APU for sllep mode, downloads and share but I can be wrong on that.
I don't have ideia how Xbox One does DRV share because it is bad implemented with a lot of issues and lag.
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Dory16
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This user has been removed from thread. Your passive aggressive console war trolling has come to light, especially in this post.
I'm not re-watching someone suddenly glorifying dynamic clocks because they had to add it to get closer to their competitor. Unlike you, I resent my intelligence being insulted even by Sony.Cerny didn't say what type of RT implementation is in the PS5. No analyst has discussed it since that conference because there are no details on it other than "It generates billions of rays but I've seen one game that's successfully using it without too much impact on the GPU"
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ethomaz
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So you are just a troll.
You asked a link/source where the answer come directly from Cerny/Sony but you don't want to watch
And yes Cerny said even how it works... the processing (intersection) units inside the RDNA 2 that it uses and how it is the same as incoming AMD GPUs in PC lol
And yes Digital Foundry talked about what Cerny said on the video.
BTW dynamic clocks is a smart ideia to get more from the system
MS could use the same to get more from new Xbox if they wish (they will probably use int he mid-gen refresh).
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Ascend
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There is little reason to assume the RT implementation will be different. If they are both in-hardware, it will be the same implementation in both, since both are RDNA2. Expecting a different RT implementation is like expecting a different ROP implementation, or a different shader engine. It's not likely to happen. There isn't much else that can be done at this point with BVH, and Cerny confirmed that RT acceleration will be based on BVH.
Bladed Thesis
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This ain't it, fam.
ethomaz
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Cerny own words.
"...a major new feature of our custom RDNA 2 based GPU on the same strategy as AMD's upcoming PC GPUs that contain a new specialized unit called Intersection Engine that can calculate the intersection of rays with boxes and triangles. To use the Intersection Engine..."
And go on.
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Dory16
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If MS had announced dynamic clocks and Sony fixed ones you would be declaring the generation over before it even started and we both know it.BTW dynamic clocks is a smart ideia to get more from the system
Even Cerny doesn't say that it gets more from the system, just that it sets a fixed power budget that they needed to tackle the cogenital Playstation loudness problems more easily. He's not quite dishonest enough to claim that it provides any sort of power advantage over more CUs and every benchmark test has proved that it doesn't.
This right here "Still have to see confirmation that it's AMD's standard RT implementation or the same that's in the XSX." I think he is implying that Microsoft has special Ray Tracing and that they are not using just AMD's ray tracing but the ps5 is. So unless they come out and say PS5 is using the same RT as Xbox or Xbox says its the same as what is built on AMD chip it is special and different hence non comparable. In other words save your energy. Edit: None of the fine details matter in the long run what matters is which has the best experiences.So you are just a troll.
You asked a link/source where the answer come directly from Cerny/Sony but you don't want to watch
And yes Cerny said even how it works... the processing (intersection) units inside the RDNA 2 that it uses and how it is the same as incoming AMD GPUs in PC lol
And yes Digital Foundry talked about what Cerny said on the video.
BTW dynamic clocks is a smart ideia to get more from the system
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Dory16
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Cerny glossed over RT as if it belonged more into the PS7. You can't deny that.
Aceofspades
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Hahaha, someone here is so used to PR bullshit he refuse to take detailed technical numbers from THE SOURCE .
ZywyPL
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That's not what they think, they KNOW it - Pro an 1X have been on the market for quite a some time, and still the base models greatly outsell them. Most normal people just want to play the games, nothing more, the cheaper the better. And the so-called hardcore audience would still get their high-spec console anyway. It's a win-win scenario.
ethomaz
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So being clear and detailing how RT works in RDNA 2 plus saying he was impressed how a game with RT on PS4 worked is being glossed
Xbox fans FUD doesn't work anymore...
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SonGoku
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No, my reasonable assumption is that its the exact same architecture as featured on RDNA2 cards across the board. Makes no sense to waste R&D money on a alternative RT solution when RDNA2 already has it integrated into the design.
lol that's not how it went at all, here's what Cerny had to say about RT implementation on PS5 games
Mark Cerny said:
Oh I agree I was just saying he isnt going to agree unless certain prerequisites are met.But Cerny come out and said they are using exactly the same RT tech of RDNA 2.
The video says it pretty clear I even did a lazy transcript toAscend .
ethomaz
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That is pretty clear now
your are right.
ethomaz
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He did not watch the Road of PS5 so he is basing on what he read from FUD followers.
What he claim is basically the opposite of how the presentation happened.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Oh lord don't dig this hole
Dory16
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If Cerny started to "get quite bullish" only AFTER having designed the console and because of ONE by his assessment "successful" implementation, it is fair to declare that RT wasn't high on the list of the performance requirements of the PS5.
Compare that to sending an actual demo of PATH TRACING to Digital Foundry 9 months before release, or to the statement "we provide the equivalent of 25TF of compute power when executing RT" and that indicates better than anything in which ballparkS (plural) those consoles are.
ethomaz
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I don't thing a mid-gen refresh is anything reliable to a new generation puscharse.
I found all mid-gen refresh useless for me and so I avoided to buy them when my day one PS4 Amateur works flawless even today without missing anything from PS4 Pro.
Said that I'm again day one PS5 Amateur and a never one PS5 Pro
I should never buy Lockhart over Scarlet for a new generation but that won't happen anyway.
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Dory16
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I said I didn't want to "re-watch" something and according to you it means I didn't watch it. That's what I'm dealing with
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ethomaz
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So for some reason you brainwashed everything you watched the first time? Because your questions makes no sense... it is all there.
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Thirty7ven
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If you aren't interested in genuine discussion around facts, what's the point of your posts?
You can be a fanboy without embarrassing yourself.
SonGoku
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That's just baseless speculation, GPU theoretical numbers are just that theoretical you won't know how it will apply to real gaming loads until implemented. RT implementations tank performance on even the mighty RTX2080Ti, being cautious with expectations speaks well of his judgment.
The second part of your statement whether it was high on the list or not (same can be asked of MS) its irrelevant, they didn't design the RT implementation, AMD did its a core RDNA2 feature that scales with CUs & Frequency
Sony just hasn't shown any games yet, they are saving it for a later time
Metroiddarks
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What is wrong with this people you cannot just decide when a feature or some specification told in an official presentation
was a lie from X company just because don't like the company or the is a lied could means your favorite box has worst hardware
when any third person has done a teardown to double check what have each machine.
All your arguments are full of fallacies like ad conditionallis (I have right just guessing), ad consequentiam (If I like this brand then should be better) ,
ad nauseam (If I make 10 post per day with just my opinion is because I am right) , ex populo (most the people think TF is only which matter in the graphics)
and ad ignorantiam (the console doesn't has the same RT has the other and as you can have access to both dev kits I have right).
And I can continue all the day, please when you comment something don't use fallacies, in the moment you use it, you
lost the debate, is okay to have a different opinion but that doesn't means in true.
was a lie from X company just because don't like the company or the is a lied could means your favorite box has worst hardware
when any third person has done a teardown to double check what have each machine.
All your arguments are full of fallacies like ad conditionallis (I have right just guessing), ad consequentiam (If I like this brand then should be better) ,
ad nauseam (If I make 10 post per day with just my opinion is because I am right) , ex populo (most the people think TF is only which matter in the graphics)
and ad ignorantiam (the console doesn't has the same RT has the other and as you can have access to both dev kits I have right).
And I can continue all the day, please when you comment something don't use fallacies, in the moment you use it, you
lost the debate, is okay to have a different opinion but that doesn't means in true.
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Imtjnotu
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Rusco Da Vino
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Dory16
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It wasn't just theoritical numbers. It was also an actual Minecraft demo that can be compared to the performance of the most powerful PC cards on Minecraft RTX. It's called transparency. You're refusing to aknowledge it where it is and you excuse it where it's not.
You don't know how those components where designed, what is off the shelf and what is bespoke and with what amount of customisation. This is willful simple mindedness.
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They talked about one. One that "successfully" implements RT. And that's how they marketed their RT capabilities. I have every right to expect more when deciding whether to fork money for a "next-gen" product when RT has been around for almost a year. The fact that you don't doesn't absolve Sony of its transparency duties to customers.
Dory16
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LEt me get this right, Smart shift allows a GPU to squeeze out more pixels than its compute units and frequency clocks allow? If you believe that you don't know what you're talking about.
Thirty7ven
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Here's the thing though, you can't "fork" money on any of these products yet. They aren't coming out next week.
Agnostic2020
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Guys I found senjutsus alt
U r so predictable and easy to find .
"Glossed over RT " and cernt lies are something I have only seen senjutsu use .
u love alts don't u
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Ass of Can Whooping
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The variable clocks allow the GPU to squeeze out more pixels because it can achieve a higher clock rate than what it would achieve locked.
Not hard to understand
Dory16
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I have a "Member" account. You know those are not handed out. Think before typing.Guys I found senjutsus alt
U r so predictable and easy to find .
"Glossed over RT " and cernt lies are something I have only seen senjutsu use .
Dory16
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It keeps the higher clock rate for how long? And what is the lowest clock rate it can drop to?
There's plenty of information Sony hasn't given out because they prefer you just think about Smartshift and about the PS5's maximum achievable frequency.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Pretty sure you're upgraded to member automatically. And it's not difficult either
The majority of the time it'll stay at its highest clocks. When it has to drop the drops will be small.
This has been argued to death already, so just do a little bit of research
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Rusco Da Vino
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Funny.
You did not say that. You said "Even Cerny doesn't say that it gets more from the system, just that it sets a fixed power budget"
FALSE.
He did, here:
Awkward times, I guess
Move on!
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