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if there's a ps5 teaser tomorrow then hell yeah im all in. however there's been so many leaks and rumours in the past few months that end up being fake ruins my hype. but june is around the corner so, i assume we dont have that much time left. we're so close!
 
KiNeMz said:
More rumour and speculation

www.notebookcheck.net

Supposed PS5 premium and basic starter pack SSD storage sizes and prices revealed in new PlayStation 5 hearsay

A currently unproven rumor on social media has claimed that there will be two starter pack variants of the PlayStation 5, with a premium pack offering a larger capacity SSD than the basic console pack. The same post also includes prices for the two PS5 options, at €499 (US$540) for the basic...
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A recent post on Reddit by u/Daniel_mallorca1985
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This guy posts here, fake renders of PS5 mostly. I'm sure he knows a lot...
 
Agnostic2020 said:
Its Tony hawk for sure and it is releasing September. Dont know if its a new one or remastered
Today is tony hawk birthday as well.
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EDIT: Just seen this, I'm really not majorly hot on insiders so anyone know ZhugeEX gets good info?
This is pretty much saying THPS, it's the most iconic song of the entire series.
 
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DrKeo said:
You are aware that on X1X both the CPU and GPU are connected to all 6 memory controllers and the same goes for every console APU ever, right? On PC Zen 2 the CCX are separate chi[plets that are connected using infinity fabric, on consoles it's monolithic, a single die. It's not a PC, it's an APU built for a dedicated console, the CPU and GPU sit on the same die as the memory controllers.
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You are aware that as you increase bandwidth that things get harder to achieve? In fact I believe AMD publicly said it was very difficult to move to 7nm in some way or another.
Where is your monolithic assertion coming from? Is there proof of that? because the XsX photo of the chip looks like it has a 'fabric' moat (from my view) consistent with chiplet PC setup and fabric in Vega was the start of AMD unifying their interconnect technology for going forward. The Exoscale contract they won almost certainly relies on chiplet PC APUs using infinity architecture. The clockspeeds of the cores and the MCU bandwidths (IMHO) won't allow for tight monolithic design as before that we saw with jaguar cores. The Cell BE wasn't monolithic, was it? Or what about the Xenon?

The point of large MCUs (AFAIK) is to alleviate wiring issues, so less wires means less heat, less heat means less resistance, less power draw, less electrical interference, allowing them to push higher bandwidths.
 
Seems like PS5 scheduled to be released in 2020 October!

PS5 will be release in October.

Posted in Japanese recruiting web site

【リクナビNEXT】で転職！

株式会社ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント

仕事の内容
■PlayStationハードウェア製品の試作購買業務をお任せ致します。国内
、海外部品パートナーから最適な取引先を選定、ハードウェア部品の仕様
調整と生産のキャパシティーを設計部と品質保証部等と協働をし、
2020年10月発売予定のPlayStation5を作り上げます。また、開発～量産移
行プロセスにおける原価分析や工程検証・改善を基にした原価低減をお任
せ致します。【魅力】新しいPlayStationの安定供給・質の向上を目指し
、ゲーム開発者のクリエイティビティを最大化させ、広大な世界観そして
新しいゲーム体験の創造を加速させることで、世界中のユーザが楽しめる
。当社の非常に重要なポジションです。

Job content
■ We will handle the trial purchasing of PlayStation hardware products. Domestic
Selects the best supplier from overseas parts partners and specifies hardware parts
Coordinating the capacity of adjustment and production with the design department and the quality assurance department,
We will make PlayStation 5 scheduled to be released in October 2020. Also, from development to mass production
Responsible for cost reduction based on cost analysis and process verification / improvement in line process
I will. [Charm] Aiming for stable supply and improvement of quality of new PlayStation
, Maximize the creativity of game developers,
Users around the world can enjoy by accelerating the creation of new gaming experiences
.. This is a very important position for us.
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LittleBigGamer said:
It's a shame that he is in the DF team.
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He's actually very intelligent, but clearly biased to the PC. It makes me cringe sometimes when John will say something complimentary about consoles, and you can see Alex's face cringe, or he begrudgingly agrees. Or Alex himself will say something complimentary about a console, but then straight away explain why PC is still better at that thing etc, and i'm a PC gamer lol.
 
Stuart360 said:
He's actually very intelligent, but clearly biased to the PC. It makes me cringe sometimes when John will say something complimentary about consoles, and you can see Alex's face cringe, or he begrudgingly agrees. Or Alex himself will say something complimentary about a console, but then straight away explain why PC is still better at that thing etc, and i'm a PC gamer lol.
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It's just stupid, there's nothing to gain. Consoles not only are not a threat to PC gaming, they are affordable options that bring more people into gaming.

And then there's the whole "On PC" mindset that people like him have that just splits my mind trying to figure it out. What is "On PC"? Your PC? These folks change what "On PC" is depending on whatever suits their argument and never stop to consider how absurd it is they have spent over 1400$ on Graphic Cards alone since the Xbox One launched.
 
Thirty7ven said:
It's just stupid, there's nothing to gain. Consoles not only are not a threat to PC gaming, they are affordable options that bring more people into gaming.

And then there's the whole "On PC" mindset that people like him have that just splits my mind trying to figure it out. What is "On PC"? Your PC? These folks change what "On PC" is depending on whatever suits their argument and never stop to consider how absurd it is they have spent over 1400$ on Graphic Cards alone since the Xbox One launched.
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I think it's easier for first party devs to "innovate" more on a closed system as they don't have to take into consideration a plethora of different specs.
I was pondering this the other day actually. I think a lot of gaming is held back by standard PC architecture as genuine leap forwards are rather price restricted for a number of years.
We're not particularly talking GPU power, RAM or CPU, but other bespoke architecture that may never appear in standard PC motherboards or GPUs. Or if they do it's a process that could take a long time to become standard due to a) a lot of folk not being able to afford the upgrade and it being niche, and b) issues with compatibility.

All of course my opinion, and was just something I was mulling over when I was thinking about the mooted IO systems in the new consoles.
 
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pretsels said:
If these companies don't start showing off gameplay soon with 60fps it's going to leave a really bad taste in my mouth for next gen. I want to be hype but I'm afraid that devs still aren't getting the message that people want more responsive games
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Sorry, think I may have jinxed us there a bit.
 
Metroiddarks said:
I am actually agree with him ..... oh God I feel dirty


Specially in the guy he retweet 'Consoles won't get there until there is no appreciable difference in graphical fidelity between a game at 30fps and a game at 60fps'
yeah you can kill me but at least tell my cat .... the hate is mutual.
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The problem with this type of comment by DF is that it conflates two issues.

The frame-rate a game is designed to be interactive at -AI is tested at, animations and logic, etc - is not changed, or even improved by the unlocked frame-rate hardware can render it at. Driving games and MP First Person Shooters typically scale to hardware without any issues, as the exception, and if that's what you want to play, then sure, the statement is fine - within the caveat that frame-rate doesn't break a driving game's maximum speed collision detection.

For games like AC major traversal mechanics are tightly bound to the animation durations, which still display and can't be broken regardless of frame-rate. They don't work like free-flowing platform games like Super Mario 3D world in which most elements of the animation can be broken immediately for the playability feedback loop. But games like those haven't been in vogue in the mainstream for over 2 decades, because they are too difficult for casual gamers. So the 'buy a PC for best gaming' (untested and not targeted) seems like something that is odd to say (IMHO). Any game that needs 60fps on a console gets it. GT and fighting games typically target 60fps. 60fps is nice on remasters, but mostly because it reduces frame issues for areas where the game didn't hit the 30fps with proper frame-pacing.
 
From the other site :

"
On the Easy Allies podcast, Daniel Bloodworth talked about the press release / press email that Codemasters had sent out. In the mail it said that Dirt 5 will have its Next gen release on PS5 in October. I believe it was this weeks podcast where this was stated.

They all thought it was a mistake or a PR miss, but joked about the fact that it COULD be the PS5 launch
"

Credit to marsipan
 
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xacto said:
www.gamesradar.com

"Common 60FPS is not a mandate" on Xbox Series X, says Microsoft

The standard frames-per-second output for Xbox Series X just got more confusing
www.gamesradar.com www.gamesradar.com

You'd better start praying your developer of choice will make that game to run at the elusive 60FPS, or let's just wait for PS9 and Xbox Series ZXY to come around 15 years from now.
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Chances are, RT will be dominant to save money on art. 30fps will be common, but I bet Microsoft Game Studios will stick to 60fps for s majority of their heavy hitters. Personally, I wouldn't mind a couple slower paced titles at 30 FPS where it might not matter as much.
 
Sinthor said:
While I tend to agree that $399 is the preferred pricing....I just don't see how either the PS5 or XBX could get there. I HOPE I'm wrong. But bottom line I DO think Sony could go with a higher price if they knew from the get go that MS was targeting the higher end price territory as well. IF that's the case that MS was...Sony could definitely target a relatively same performance level but in a way that would allow them to go with at least a moderately lower price point. Maybe with some really impressive features as well to try and market to take away more from MS (like a super fast SSD for example).

In the end, it's all speculation and we'll see where things end up once it's all finally revealed. I suspect that both companies were targeting a bit more higher end on the market and for the past 3-4 years at least, the world and especially the US economy would make that a much safer bet. IF that's they way they went though...this Covid-19 business will make this year a BAD time to try and go higher end on price. This may end up hurting both companies.

Still, it cracks me up to see 'experts' like Pachter and others stating that if MS could somehow charge $100 less than Sony that it would 'doom' Sony. Short memories! PS3 anyone? What was that...almost $300 more than the Xbox 360 when it launched? And the PS3 STILL outsold the 360. Yes that generation saw MS make some decent inroads as a relative newcomer to the market, but it hasn't expanded much since then and this previous generation has seen a return to outright dominance from Sony. It would take an awful LOT to 'doom' Sony when it comes to the Ps5. That said, anything is possible! The good news is that we should have most if not all of the information we speak here in the next few weeks. I have to believe that if a magazine is going to feature the PS5, that Sony will have to announce at least right before that issue is available, which is early June as I recall. We're almost mid-May now so just a few more weeks! All shall be revealed! :)
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I think both will be 499.99. If you read above I was responding to the 499/599 dual price point launch. The memes would write themselves and Sony knows this every picture of 2005-2006 would be dug up photoshopped with the PS5. Sony is not going to invite reliving the lowest point of the divisions history.
 
alabtrosMyster said:
an overclocked i9 with a GeForce 3080 ti will barely maintain 46.7fps at next Gen console settings.
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Oh, we've received the benchmarks for the 3080ti? Link? I bet an i9 with the 3080TI will not only allow 100FPS+ but also with RT. Next-gen consoles will still be bottom tier in terms of performance, but the 10-12TFLOPS will certainly help the cause.
 
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PaintTinJr said:
You are aware that as you increase bandwidth that things get harder to achieve? In fact I believe AMD publicly said it was very difficult to move to 7nm in some way or another.
Where is your monolithic assertion coming from? Is there proof of that? because the XsX photo of the chip looks like it has a 'fabric' moat (from my view) consistent with chiplet PC setup and fabric in Vega was the start of AMD unifying their interconnect technology for going forward. The Exoscale contract they won almost certainly relies on chiplet PC APUs using infinity architecture. The clockspeeds of the cores and the MCU bandwidths (IMHO) won't allow for tight monolithic design as before that we saw with jaguar cores. The Cell BE wasn't monolithic, was it? Or what about the Xenon?

The point of large MCUs (AFAIK) is to alleviate wiring issues, so less wires means less heat, less heat means less resistance, less power draw, less electrical interference, allowing them to push higher bandwidths.
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XSX is monolithic, a single peice of silicon:
XboxSeriesXTech_Inline2.jpg
 
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Metroiddarks said:
Nintendo reveals the true berserker .... Nintendo Switch Series 5 now with RT and using the new architecture of Nvidia Ampere.


Now without kidding I am start to feel worried about NIntendo saying nothing relevant since the last year.
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sometimes it's best not to talk when everything is alright, for all they know this could cause a pr blunder (give the impressi8n that they mean to compete on performance by example).
 
In terms of next gen settings:
  • 60fps
  • Native 4k
  • Ray tracing (wide-spread use)
I think it's possible we'll only see one of these implemented in a next gen AAA console game (AA level or below excluded,) any 2 combinations will be rare, and all 3 impossible.

Native 4k should be least important.
 
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