Majima Everywhere System
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Why does the PS5 only output 2.1 sound? What is the year of our lord presently?
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Dave_at_Home
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I wonder if third-party developers are utilizing PS5's fully programmable geometry engine. I think it was redtechgaming that mentioned Sony showcasing demos to developers on the benefits of going the extra mile with it.
Rea
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PS5's Display HDR processor might be better than ps4.
3liteDragon
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Doubt it, I don't even think the Demon's Souls remake is making use of the GE on the console at all, because if that was the case, they would've mentioned it in their interview with Digital Foundry. You're not gonna see the GE being used for the first wave of games, wait 2-3 years, then we'll start seeing some amazing stuff.
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Andodalf
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PS5 has system level HDR adjustment which seems pretty solid
kyliethicc
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ethomaz
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The opposite.That anyone can write this with a straight face when "SSD Secret Sauce" has been doing the rounds for the last 7 months is, in and of itself, amusing
Sony talked and delivered.
Spider-Man and Demon's Souls can be tested by anybody to experience the power of SSD.
Now where is the talked 12TFs?
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Three Jackdaws
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Yes it was RGT who said it, although people may seem to think the Geometry Engine is a hard to program sort of tool. As with the rest of the PS5 tools/functionality and as was the case with the PS4, I think there is a simple low level of programming required which shouldn't take developers long at all and this would be for performance optimisation like culling and aborting of the vertexes. However it will have significant long term potential, this will be when it comes to more complex stuff like implementing Primitive Shaders, more advanced culling + other unknown features, developers will require more learning and this learning is not unique to PS5, even Mesh Shaders for the Series X require learning and even then they're not used all the time within a game.
Shmunter
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You only have 2 ears and one penis. Be happy
Shmunter
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Middleware engines like Unreal will use it at the core and all devs using such things will instantly benefit. Sony will use it as part of their day to day being theirs.
ethomaz
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One example of how PS5's SSD makes all difference.
Xbox's owners are amazed by the Quick Resume, no?
Miles Morales loads (yeap it is the full game load) and put you in gameplay as fast as Quick Resume.
I don't know how anybody can say the fast SSD on PS5 is not doing it magic.
Xbox's owners are amazed by the Quick Resume, no?
Miles Morales loads (yeap it is the full game load) and put you in gameplay as fast as Quick Resume.
I don't know how anybody can say the fast SSD on PS5 is not doing it magic.
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oldergamer
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Are u guys nuts isnt the game capped at 60 fps?
ethomaz
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The game is and it drops the resolution a lot to maintain that 60fps.
The avg. resolution seems to be around 1600p.
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Three Jackdaws
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One thing I do love about Sony is that the hardware/software team of the PS5/4 have extremely strong collaboration with both 1st and 3rd party developers, providing the developers with as much insight and information to the hardware as possible so they can develop the game as is easy as they can. I believe this culture of theirs was born in the PS3 days, Mark Cerny stated how he and others worked hard on creating tons of API's and libraries for both third party and first party developers because they were struggling a lot with the "exotic nature" of the PS3 hardware.
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Shmunter
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I recall reading, or watching a docco about the golden days of consoles where platform holders would deliberately keep secrets to themselves so their 1st party games looked better than 3rd party. What a philosophy, good that it's all turned around.
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Three Jackdaws
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I think it was Cerny and his team who pioneered this new culture of strong relationships with third party developers in the PS3 days and was later pushed heavily by them in the beginning of the PS4 era and it's really paid off, up to the point where a third party developer Epic actually heavily influenced the design choices of the PS5, crazy right.
3liteDragon
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That anyone can write this with a straight face when "SSD Secret Sauce" has been doing the rounds for the last 7 months is, in and of itself, amusing
I don't know who hyped it up as "secret sauce" tech but I believe the investment Sony made on the overall I/O architecture will pay them dividends 2-3 years into the generation, the potential is there (main example I would say is the UE5 demo), unless it was all marketing buzzwords and I will be proven wrong 3 years later. Games coming out right now are being written on engines specifically made to work with those old ass hard-drives in the PS4 and Xbox One, so I'm not completely surprised I'm not seeing any loading screens on MM (it's a first-party title, Insomniac would've had access to devkits much earlier than any other studio which means they could start re-writing their I/O subsystems to work with the PS5's SSD) while seeing 7+ seconds loading screens on third-parties like Valhalla.
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sircaw
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I love the way all these xbox hardcore fanatics are all sweet and lovable now after that nxgamer video.
full of understanding and wanting to have a deeper conversation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH-------------------------FUCK OFF Take your god damn loss and eat your fucking crow.
You guys know who you are, you have been giving sony fans shit for months about the power narrative.
You wait till you see how much better those multiplats are going to perform on the X.
Time for bed, i am going to sleep well
full of understanding and wanting to have a deeper conversation.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH-------------------------FUCK OFF Take your god damn loss and eat your fucking crow.
You guys know who you are, you have been giving sony fans shit for months about the power narrative.
You wait till you see how much better those multiplats are going to perform on the X.
Time for bed, i am going to sleep well
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lepermessiah
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Faster caches make a bigger difference than 18% more CUs, who'd of thunk it.
3liteDragon
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This guy got his PS5 early from PlayStation in a custom casing.
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Three Jackdaws
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I think the faster caches are not being optimised fully since it's only the beginning of the generation, this is according to Matt Hargett anyway. When they do we should get better performance, that goes for both first and third party games.
That being said, I do remember RGT months ago mentioning the PS5 was not having bandwidth and performance issues thanks to its "robust caching system".
Majima Everywhere System
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up to 7.1 for games and video, plus atmos/dts:x for UHDBD
My TV needed to be on Passthrough and not auto.
Now the damn things has a buzzing fan. They were so close too.
VFXVeteran
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I will agree with you on that. The power difference in practice is extremely small from what we see so far.
AND
You gotta eat crow on the SSD speed though.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Wow, all the "XSX is significantly more powerful" rhetoric is certainly not aging well.
I've said all along that the power difference will be vanishingly small. Glad and a little smug to be right about that.
I'm also pretty disappointed sites like DF are still pretending to be shocked by the results; as if it was somehow reasonable to have expected XSX to vastly outperform the PS5, when the power gap in the paper specs is the smallest we've ever seen.
I've said all along that the power difference will be vanishingly small. Glad and a little smug to be right about that.
I'm also pretty disappointed sites like DF are still pretending to be shocked by the results; as if it was somehow reasonable to have expected XSX to vastly outperform the PS5, when the power gap in the paper specs is the smallest we've ever seen.
kyliethicc
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nope try again
VFXVeteran
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Try again with what? Please don't show me an exclusive and think that's a valid argument.
FullMetalx117
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I'm a lifelong Xbox fan and I have both consoles. I am blown away with the PS5! I love the presentation, the way the consoles loooks, the little touches, etc. And for some reason it seems like a more media friendly device (I got the media remote too). I'm impressed and Demons Souls is amazing too (I had it on ps3 but barely played, it was all halo 3/gears for me back then). Congrats Sony
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kyliethicc
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you're clearly not dumb. I know you know why what you said was incorrect.
You enjoy trolling, as do I. Its see through. A lazy attempt.
Imtjnotu
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Calm down hoe
Shmunter
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The start of the video with the cutscene performing poorly?
NX Gamer is a fantastic dude and a hell of an informed guy. However I'm puzzled why real-time cutscenes were not inspected. From other videos floating about there are major performance issues/tearing on XsX during these moments. PS5 nowhere near as impacted.
Was hoping for NX to either debunk or confirm these, but only gameplay was touched upon. Indeed many reviews lamented on the XsX excessive tearing. I appreciate he mentioned more in-depth analysis to come.
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kyliethicc
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wrap it up in a wet towel and restart it, then keep it in a confined space. that'll help
smallpotatosan
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I hope NX can do one for Cold War, which is more interesting to me than AC. AC is notorious for its CPU bottleneck. no idea whether this one is the same but I'm more curious about COD comparison.
kyliethicc
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Majima Everywhere System
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My PS5 will NOT be some sort of victim!
mitchman
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AC doesn't utilize the new APIs for file access on either platform is the obious conclusion here as other 1st party PS5 games show massive speed differences. What was your point?
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FrankWza
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Now the focus is on tempest and audio. Amazing.
Shmunter
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There is never a point, that's the point. The Chewbacca Defence.
HeisenbergFX4
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So PS has a slight edge in AC V?
Guess what, this won't be its only win early on.
Some attribute that to maybe devs having PS DKs early and longer then the Xbox kits so we shall see.
But surprise TFs aren't always king
Now truly gone for the weekend
Enjoy the toys
Guess what, this won't be its only win early on.
Some attribute that to maybe devs having PS DKs early and longer then the Xbox kits so we shall see.
But surprise TFs aren't always king
Now truly gone for the weekend
Enjoy the toys
Piggoro
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yewles1
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It certainly surprised me, expected 18-20% delta had gone down to more like 8%.
Jaguar Victory
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I see you are beaming with pride that your future $500 console matches the other guy's $500 console
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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18% is the difference in maximum theoretical compute flops. You wouldn't see any higher than that unless the PS5 was severely bandwidth starved, which it evidently isn't.
Realistically it should be less that the difference in theoretical maximums.
Axonometri
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I am impressed! Had great fun with my kids playing Astro and Spiderman Remastered for a while tonight. Next year is going to be amazing.
lepermessiah
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Exactly it, theoretical maximums are never reached, much in the same way a car's total horsepower is never reached, average real world performance depends on so many factors. For marketing purposes however it's easier to throw around numbers.
Yoboman
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Im glad to see you answered Sircaw's broad call out to Xbox fanboys. Says a lot.
Rea
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Why though? Sony already proved with loading on Demon soul and Spider-Man mm. Sony will eat crow only when xbox has a game that load as fast as Sony's games, be it 1st party or 3rd party games.
bitbydeath
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Mortal Kombat XL is quite fast. No idea if patched or if it was always fast on PS4 though.
LiquidRex
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FYI the Geometry Engine has not be used to its full potential yet.... Ratchet and Clank will probably be the most advanced looking game to date on PS5 once released, and even then the GE will still not be fully tapped into....
GE is the next gen feature that AMD can't wait to have as part of RDNA 3 feature set.
Bookmark and hit me up once RDNA 3 has been revealed. I bet my Neogaf membership on it.
GE is the next gen feature that AMD can't wait to have as part of RDNA 3 feature set.
Bookmark and hit me up once RDNA 3 has been revealed. I bet my Neogaf membership on it.
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