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[Foxbat]

Even if everyone knows he’s a joke, you all shouldn’t be just beating up on him.

It’s very obvious Sony can never do wrong, and nobody else can do right in his eyes. That’s not disputed.

You shoudnt be attacking him though, attack his weak ass arguments and disregard him after he runs out of excuses.

I didn't mean attack him personally. I meant attacking his failed arguments. With the quote, and context, I thought that would be obvious.

No. We shouldn't physically beat him up.

 

[Hage Kamo]

SUZUZUKA CIRCUIT lol

 

[Darkdeus]

Another FH4 batch. Hopefully you guys aren't tired of FH4 yet.
Photomode

Gameplay shots- 4K with Extreme Detail settings

 

[BusierDonkey]

Having just played FM3, seeing the FM4 shots really hits home how much they have advanced in two years. I can't wait for the 28th.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

You know it's crazy, I don't get into the politics, I just discuss the topic. A new poster came in here and went on about physics, so this is where Driver gave his bit about Forza physics (which is true)...How is it relevant to graphics? because it frees up resources for draw calls in an open world game, LOD is then a factor as it relates to all relevant distant detail....How does freeing up physics simulation free up CPU resources to draw an open world game? you don't say???...It's as simple as that......Yet, I'm not even going to go indepth with horizon yet, because what we got was a morsel, proper comparisons are only valid when both games are out and we test it under all conditions and settings....I get it that X fans want to have a great looking racer, no one ever said that Horzion looks bad, but to repeatedly say that Horizon is "the best looking game" is foolish because it has not released yet.....Like one of the posters keep posting "we got them 100-0", what is this? Getting 1000 posters in here just to repeat "best looking racer" won't make it that. You prove things with screenshots, video, good arguments which corroborate your findings....and I don't think that can be done yet.....It's like a set of folk which want a win so bad, but it's all irrelevant until the full game is out and everyone can test it....

Let's be clear, I wish some of the posters in this thread weren't as disingenuous.....Countless times I've been asking certain posters to not cherrypick shots, of textures (behind a building, behind the bounds of a track) (Hage Kamo for example), no one in the Forza camp said anything, because guess what, it can be done on both sides and in the past Forza has had the bitter end of these comparisons (sim to sim) even with PC at max settings. Foliage, ATD, Cars, Crowds, lighting, particles have all been proven to be worse there......A man is posting the texture behind a building you're not suppose to see (with no car on screen, on a track racer vs open world game.... what is he driving in GT?, where proper rendering details would be focused with car on a track racer, obviously), no X fan says "hey this is not a proper comparo Hage", but Driver posts a racing shot with lod and detail issues in Forza (car on screen and all), and everyone is now out of the woodwork.....You really can't make this up.....Some of you guys really need to be less transparent with all this faux outrage and be a bit more honest as it pertains to this thread's deliberations....

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not even sure why everyone is doing a Sim vs Arcade open world comparison, but if it is what you believe you have to, at least try to do a fair comparison. You can't do car on screen in Horizon and then do "no car on screen in GT showing textures beyond track boundaries"....You can't do dirt track vs tarmac, because you feel select GT dirt tracks has so-so textures.... As I said earlier, any comparison between racers will be more relevant when the game releases. I have no interest in comparing Horizon to any other arcade racer, unless code is complete and it's at it's best, so no one would say it's unfinished code......This is what this thread was originally built upon, proper comparisons till it was sullied by certain posters...

You see what I'm talking about? all his opinion, nothing proving a point, no corroboration and this poster believes, this bit encapsulates fact....

There's no perceived level of detail, all elements of GTS's rendering has been proven superior to Forza in the DF video and a million other comparisons online prove it, a million vids have been posted by me and others. There was a time, I was begging folk to post their games in motion vs GT/or others and prove their points, use screenshots and point it out, yet that has been done with GT countless times showing it's superiority......DF, SUPER GT and pretty much all the Petrol Heads on youtube concur....


No, there's no fact there....I keep saying to you guys....Showing a game on PC at max settings won't improve it's rendering pipeline, IQ will be upshot but that's it.....As a matter of fact, it's on PC at supreme high resolutions that you easily see some of the compromises in Forza (textures, foliage, crowds, atd) and you do so much easier there.....Right now on PC, there are definitely texture loading issues, lod issues and some compromises in Forza, I can post them but people will cry foul and say it's not finished code. I understand that and I won't....

Are these the type of factual arguments and responses that's supposed to convince me or anyone that Forza looks better?

A superior rendering pipeline speaks to better PBR, lighting, effects, realtime shadows, foliage, cubemap reflections, better ATD (crowds, pits et al). And yes, CB is something good, I'm not trying to dress it up....1800cb at 60fps with a superior rendering pipeline runs circles around 1080p 60fps with further reduced graphics and LOD issues, this is indeed a fact...

Also, if nothing limits you render resolution, forget 8K, why isn't Forza 4k 60fps? I hope this is not another one of your facts....

You keep repeating the same garbage, and trying to make it sound all genuine doesn't change the fact that it's still garbage. Now you're not even making supposed real arguments anymore you're just running to 'authority' figures which is a fallacy. Are we in here talking about Forza Motorsport 7 or are we talking about Forza Horizon 4? Which one is it? It's like you can't make up your mind which one is being discussed here when it's clearly obvious everyone else is discussing the latter.

Also I'm not posting up PC anything, that screenshot I posted comparing it to Sport is straight from my Xbox One X in gameplay, not photomode or any of that BS. We keep saying this over and over to you guys but you never do it, post the best possible IN GAME screenshot you can muster of Gran Turismo Sport and we'll go from there. It's really as simple as that man, I'm not here to argue nebulous bullshit with you. All you're doing is running your mouth firing off what you perceive as facts and never post any personal imagery to assert what you're saying.

Posting bad examples of an opposing game is dumb because both games can be made to look bad, but if you post the best you possibly can one or the other is going to look better, so let's see what you've got.

 

[Foxbat]

You keep repeating the same garbage, and trying to make it sound all genuine doesn't change the fact that it's still garbage. Now you're not even making supposed real arguments anymore you're just running to 'authority' figures which is a fallacy. Are we in here talking about Forza Motorsport 7 or are we talking about Forza Horizon 4? Which one is it? It's like you can't make up your mind which one is being discussed here when it's clearly obvious everyone else is discussing the latter.

Also I'm not posting up PC anything, that screenshot I posted comparing it to Sport is straight from my Xbox One X in gameplay, not photomode or any of that BS. We keep saying this over and over to you guys but you never do it, post the best possible IN GAME screenshot you can muster of Gran Turismo Sport and we'll go from there. It's really as simple as that man, I'm not here to argue nebulous bullshit with you. All you're doing is running your mouth firing off what you perceive as facts and never post any personal imagery to assert what you're saying.

Posting bad examples of an opposing game is dumb because both games can be made to look bad, but if you post the best you possibly can one or the other is going to look better, so let's see what you've got.

As someone else suggested earlier, this is really the only way to go at this point.

One person who says GTS looks the best, should post the absolute best game mode pics he can.

Someone who's claimed that Forza 7 looks better, should post the best in game mode pics he can.

Somebody who believes FH 4 looks the best can post the best in game mode pics he can.

Somebody else with PC2.

Someone else with Assets Corsa, whatever, etc..

Then someone can quote all these posts together as one in order to view them side by side on one page, and in one post.

Then everyone can comment.

It completely removes the cherry picking.

 

[Inviusx]

You keep repeating the same garbage, and trying to make it sound all genuine doesn't change the fact that it's still garbage. Now you're not even making supposed real arguments anymore you're just running to 'authority' figures which is a fallacy. Are we in here talking about Forza Motorsport 7 or are we talking about Forza Horizon 4? Which one is it? It's like you can't make up your mind which one is being discussed here when it's clearly obvious everyone else is discussing the latter.

Also I'm not posting up PC anything, that screenshot I posted comparing it to Sport is straight from my Xbox One X in gameplay, not photomode or any of that BS. We keep saying this over and over to you guys but you never do it, post the best possible IN GAME screenshot you can muster of Gran Turismo Sport and we'll go from there. It's really as simple as that man, I'm not here to argue nebulous bullshit with you. All you're doing is running your mouth firing off what you perceive as facts and never post any personal imagery to assert what you're saying.

Posting bad examples of an opposing game is dumb because both games can be made to look bad, but if you post the best you possibly can one or the other is going to look better, so let's see what you've got.

I think what he means to say is that comparing GTS/F7 to FH is like comparing apples to oranges. While technically they are all "racing" games, GTS/F7 fall in the circuit racing category along with PC/PC2, AC/AC2, iRacing etc.

FH is only really comparable to The Crew as the scope and scale are similar. The GTS/FH4 comparison is laughable because there are shortcomings for both games that can be pointed to whenever a shiny screenshot is posted in this thread.

If I post a shiny FH4 screenshot in this thread, detractors can say "yeah but FH4 is only optimized for 12 player races"
Conversely if I post a shiny screenshot of GTS with 24 cars blah blah blah someone can say "yeah but look at this flat off track texture"

It's a redundant and never ending comparison.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I think what he means to say is that comparing GTS/F7 to FH is like comparing apples to oranges. While technically they are all "racing" games, GTS/F7 fall in the circuit racing category along with PC/PC2, AC/AC2, iRacing etc.

FH is only really comparable to The Crew as the scope and scale are similar. The GTS/FH4 comparison is laughable because there are shortcomings for both games that can be pointed to whenever a shiny screenshot is posted in this thread.

If I post a shiny FH4 screenshot in this thread, detractors can say "yeah but FH4 is only optimized for 12 player races"
Conversely if I post a shiny screenshot of GTS with 24 cars blah blah blah someone can say "yeah but look at this flat off track texture"

It's a redundant and never ending comparison.

That didn't stop the Sony fanatics from comparing Driveclub screenshots to Forza Motorsport for years, so why should the shoe now be on the other foot when its flipped on its head? Should we ignore that Forza Motorsport 7 renders at a 188% higher resolution than GT Sport?

Where is this line at because I don't think it actually exists, I think people just say it does when a debate goes sideways on them.

 

[Inviusx]

That didn't stop the Sony fanatics from comparing Driveclub screenshots to Forza Motorsport for years, so why should the shoe now be on the other foot when its flipped on its head?

That's because those fanboys are shortsighted fools who don't think of things logically. They only respond to the shiniest screenshots in the thread.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

That's because those fanboys are shortsighted fools who don't think of things logically. They only respond to the shiniest screenshots in the thread.

So the whole debate in general is stupid then because you can't logically compare even Forza 7, because the level of content is multiple times larger and the operating parameters of the rendering are night and day different from Gran Turismo Sport. It's not even a fanboy thing, they're fundamentally different in content offering and rendering.

So who decides all of this?

 

[Inviusx]

So the whole debate in general is stupid

Yes

because you can't logically compare even Forza 7, because the level of content is multiple times larger and the operating parameters of the rendering are night and day different from Gran Turismo Sport. It's not even a fanboy thing, they're fundamentally different in content offering and rendering.

Well it's easier to compare F7/GTS/AC/PC to each other as they are at least a part of the same sub genre. Obviously each game has a different engine and a different focus but at the very least they are circuit racing games with a goal of trying to simulate racing in a car.

So who decides all of this?.

You decide.

 

[Foxbat]

So the whole debate in general is stupid then because you can't logically compare even Forza 7, because the level of content is multiple times larger and the operating parameters of the rendering are night and day different from Gran Turismo Sport. It's not even a fanboy thing, they're fundamentally different in content offering and rendering.

So who decides all of this?

It's subtle, but you're being led into a trap.
Your comparison is on point though.
When comparing F7 to GTS, rendering, increased content, weather, etc... cannot be applied. Forza 7 must first be dumbed down before a proper comparison can be had.

The problem now is this. GTS fans could get away with that on Forza 7 to GTS comparisons because GTS does have things that it does better. Trees, and lighting being the most obvious. With FH4, there is nothing that GTS does better. Playground shored up all the shortcomings, and now FH4 looks superior across the board.

GTS diehards are now in the process of trying to figure out how to steer the conversation so that comparisons will favor them. They're trying the fps angle, but it doesn't work, they're trying the detail angle, but that also doesn't work. They're trying the open world vs closed track angle, but yet again.... It doesn't work.

Now they're going to just call it an apples to oranges comparison, because all previous attempts to move the goalpost have failed. Even thelastword is trying to buy time by saying "I'll wait until the game fully releases". They're just waiting for a detail that they can latch onto. No matter how tiny it may be. Then they will cling to it, and repeat that tiny point over and over and over and over again, in an order to make that one tiny aspect the main discussion point.

As of yet... They can't even find that tiny morsel they so desperately seek.

 

[Inviusx]

GTS diehards are now in the process of trying to figure out how to steer the conversation so that comparisons will favor them. They're trying the fps angle, but it doesn't work, they're trying the detail angle, but that also doesn't work. They're trying the open world vs closed track angle, but yet again.... It doesn't work.

It does work but if it doesn't work for you then that's fine. The diehards in this thread will never be convinced one way or another. It's the same problem this thread had for 3 years where the Sony die hards would not listen to reason when Driveclub came out, it was that or nothing.

The fact is that every game in this thread has positives and negatives so an actual 1 to 1 comparison is impossible unless you were comparing 2 games of the same series (but then there isn't console war bullshit arguments so that's not going to be fun for anyone).

 

[Bogroll]

Arguments against Forza Horizon 3 and 2 wasn't this strong was it ? I wasn't around then so i don't now. Shall we ban FH4 from this thread then to keep GTS fanboys happy ?
P.s i do own and like GTS and think it looks great.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Arguments against Forza Horizon 3 and 2 wasn't this strong was it ? I wasn't around then so i don't now. Shall we ban FH4 from this thread then to keep GTS fanboys happy ?
P.s i do own and like GTS and think it looks great.

Do you have a Pro? Would you mind posting some of your best in game screenshots? It's like pulling teeth getting people to post anything.

 

[Inviusx]

Do you have a Pro? Would you mind posting some of your best in game screenshots? It's like pulling teeth getting people to post anything.

I can try and post some tonight. Photomode or no photomode?

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I can try and post some tonight. Photomode or no photomode?

Actual in game gameplay shots, like the nicest ones you can possibly take. I want to see this games peak in game potential and no one seems to want to post anything. I would buy it and take some myself but I don't have the extra money at the moment to spend.

 

[BusierDonkey]

Forza Horizon 3

Replay Mode

Forza Horizon 3 drone mode

 

[phil_t98]

You know it's crazy, I don't get into the politics, I just discuss the topic. A new poster came in here and went on about physics, so this is where Driver gave his bit about Forza physics (which is true)...How is it relevant to graphics? because it frees up resources for draw calls in an open world game, LOD is then a factor as it relates to all relevant distant detail....How does freeing up physics simulation free up CPU resources to draw an open world game? you don't say???...It's as simple as that......Yet, I'm not even going to go indepth with horizon yet, because what we got was a morsel, proper comparisons are only valid when both games are out and we test it under all conditions and settings....I get it that X fans want to have a great looking racer, no one ever said that Horzion looks bad, but to repeatedly say that Horizon is "the best looking game" is foolish because it has not released yet.....Like one of the posters keep posting "we got them 100-0", what is this? Getting 1000 posters in here just to repeat "best looking racer" won't make it that. You prove things with screenshots, video, good arguments which corroborate your findings....and I don't think that can be done yet.....It's like a set of folk which want a win so bad, but it's all irrelevant until the full game is out and everyone can test it....

Let's be clear, I wish some of the posters in this thread weren't as disingenuous.....Countless times I've been asking certain posters to not cherrypick shots, of textures (behind a building, behind the bounds of a track) (Hage Kamo for example), no one in the Forza camp said anything, because guess what, it can be done on both sides and in the past Forza has had the bitter end of these comparisons (sim to sim) even with PC at max settings. Foliage, ATD, Cars, Crowds, lighting, particles have all been proven to be worse there......A man is posting the texture behind a building you're not suppose to see (with no car on screen, on a track racer vs open world game.... what is he driving in GT?, where proper rendering details would be focused with car on a track racer, obviously), no X fan says "hey this is not a proper comparo Hage", but Driver posts a racing shot with lod and detail issues in Forza (car on screen and all), and everyone is now out of the woodwork.....You really can't make this up.....Some of you guys really need to be less transparent with all this faux outrage and be a bit more honest as it pertains to this thread's deliberations....

As far as I'm concerned, I'm not even sure why everyone is doing a Sim vs Arcade open world comparison, but if it is what you believe you have to, at least try to do a fair comparison. You can't do car on screen in Horizon and then do "no car on screen in GT showing textures beyond track boundaries"....You can't do dirt track vs tarmac, because you feel select GT dirt tracks has so-so textures.... As I said earlier, any comparison between racers will be more relevant when the game releases. I have no interest in comparing Horizon to any other arcade racer, unless code is complete and it's at it's best, so no one would say it's unfinished code......This is what this thread was originally built upon, proper comparisons till it was sullied by certain posters...

You see what I'm talking about? all his opinion, nothing proving a point, no corroboration and this poster believes, this bit encapsulates fact....

There's no perceived level of detail, all elements of GTS's rendering has been proven superior to Forza in the DF video and a million other comparisons online prove it, a million vids have been posted by me and others. There was a time, I was begging folk to post their games in motion vs GT/or others and prove their points, use screenshots and point it out, yet that has been done with GT countless times showing it's superiority......DF, SUPER GT and pretty much all the Petrol Heads on youtube concur....


No, there's no fact there....I keep saying to you guys....Showing a game on PC at max settings won't improve it's rendering pipeline, IQ will be upshot but that's it.....As a matter of fact, it's on PC at supreme high resolutions that you easily see some of the compromises in Forza (textures, foliage, crowds, atd) and you do so much easier there.....Right now on PC, there are definitely texture loading issues, lod issues and some compromises in Forza, I can post them but people will cry foul and say it's not finished code. I understand that and I won't....

Are these the type of factual arguments and responses that's supposed to convince me or anyone that Forza looks better?

A superior rendering pipeline speaks to better PBR, lighting, effects, realtime shadows, foliage, cubemap reflections, better ATD (crowds, pits et al). And yes, CB is something good, I'm not trying to dress it up....1800cb at 60fps with a superior rendering pipeline runs circles around 1080p 60fps with further reduced graphics and LOD issues, this is indeed a fact...

Also, if nothing limits you render resolution, forget 8K, why isn't Forza 4k 60fps? I hope this is not another one of your facts....

Arcade vs sim doesnt matter its goal post moving, its best graphics not what type of game it is. Doesnt matter if Horizon is an arcade racer, does it look great yes it does.

 

[LostDonkey]

Arcade vs sim doesnt matter its goal post moving, its best graphics not what type of game it is. Doesnt matter if Horizon is an arcade racer, does it look great yes it does.

But its not fair!!!!!! Because it looks better than GTS so it shouldnt be allowed!!!!!!!!

 

[Christocolus]

Arcade vs sim doesnt matter its goal post moving, its best graphics not what type of game it is. Doesnt matter if Horizon is an arcade racer, does it look great yes it does.

Exactly.

 

[HD Duck Pics]

This should clear things up, this was an interview with Matt Craven for Horizon 2. These games are still using the same physics engine as their Motorsport counterparts, the handling is just tuned a bit differently for these games. All of these posts about the physics being dumbed down and it affecting the look of the games are baseless and asinine nonsense.

I've seen people say (but never came across it myself) that if you had a JTAG'd 360 you could tweak the values on Forza Horizon 1 (or maybe 2) and get it to basically Forza Motorsport handling. Apparently the biggest change made for Forza Horizon was unnaturally/unrealistic tyres.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Arcade vs sim doesnt matter its goal post moving, its best graphics not what type of game it is. Doesnt matter if Horizon is an arcade racer, does it look great yes it does.

It’s also funny how, as beautiful as Driveclub is, none of these folks decrying FH4 dismissed Driveclub’s graphics for it being a 30FPS arcade racer.

Basically physics and 30FPS only matter if it fits their agenda. As I said thelastword is clearly just a troll/parody but some folks actually seem serious about this biased argument.

 

[Inviusx]

It’s also funny how, as beautiful as Driveclub is, none of these folks decrying FH4 dismissed Driveclub’s graphics for it being a 30FPS arcade racer.

Basically physics and 30FPS only matter if it fits their agenda. As I said thelastword is clearly just a troll/parody but some folks actually seem serious about this biased argument.

Well you're wrong because I've stated a few times in the last few pages that the Driveclub fandom was ridiculous.

 

[LostDonkey]

I love that they included the warthog to drive its such a fun car

I know people have been saying imagine a Fable with this engine but imagine the next Halo.

Maybe the Warthog is a hint...

 

[Christocolus]

This is the title of this thread

Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)

I see people trying to derail and move goal posts just to suit their agendas but as long as we are sticking to the topic "graphics" then its clear which game looks best.

 

[phil_t98]

This is the title of this thread I see people trying to derail and move goal posts just to suit their agendas but as long as we are sticking to the topic "graphics" then its clear which game looks best.

Never gonna be a clear winner because new games come out all the time except GT as they only release every 4 or so years these days, at the moment Horizon 4 is killing the compitition but next year another game will come out and be better than that and so on. Love this thread though

 

[Gingen]

Palm trees aren't trees?

This argument in a nutshell:

Because apparently physics is something you can quantify, and adding "more" of it just breaks the game...

I don't care if in english you call palms "palm trees".... what I mean when I say "all the trees in FM7 are 2D" is clear

→ 2D in FM7

 

[TBiddy]

@Driver86

Quick and simple question. Which racing game do you think looks best right now? No need to make a long explanation why and how - just simply state which racing game, you think looks better than the rest.

 

[Gingen]

What I don't understand is, why Driver86 and his buddy refuse to show any gameplay shots from GTS. Instead they post photomode-shots from GTS and cherry-picked gameplay-shots from FM7/FH4.

Well. I do understand actually. It's because it would make GTS look bad in comparison.

What I don't understand is why here FM7/FH4 photomode-shots from PC at maximum settings are allowed but GTS photomode-shots are banned.... the answer is probably that all of you know that GTS in photomote is unbeatable, this is the reason because here is denied...

 

[thelastword]

You keep repeating the same garbage, and trying to make it sound all genuine doesn't change the fact that it's still garbage. Now you're not even making supposed real arguments anymore you're just running to 'authority' figures which is a fallacy. Are we in here talking about Forza Motorsport 7 or are we talking about Forza Horizon 4? Which one is it? It's like you can't make up your mind which one is being discussed here when it's clearly obvious everyone else is discussing the latter.

Also I'm not posting up PC anything, that screenshot I posted comparing it to Sport is straight from my Xbox One X in gameplay, not photomode or any of that BS. We keep saying this over and over to you guys but you never do it, post the best possible IN GAME screenshot you can muster of Gran Turismo Sport and we'll go from there. It's really as simple as that man, I'm not here to argue nebulous bullshit with you. All you're doing is running your mouth firing off what you perceive as facts and never post any personal imagery to assert what you're saying.

Posting bad examples of an opposing game is dumb because both games can be made to look bad, but if you post the best you possibly can one or the other is going to look better, so let's see what you've got.

I'm not trying to do anything, I'm not trying to make anything sound genuine, I'm not trying to make CB a valid alternative for a 4.2TB console. They just are....Why is everything so wooled in with you? So right now, authority figures which actually show the differences in rendering and features should be placed on a backburner and your opinion should be placed at pole position? Are you listening to what you're saying. There's no reason to be losing your cool if your arguments were solid, but they're not.....People who don't have an argument always use abrasive words online, it must feel good to you, but it does nothing for weak arguments btw...

This thread however is about all racers, not just Forza Horizon 4....The game is not even out yet and so many of you guys are sallivating for some "would be win"......outside of proper comparisons etc.....Let the game come out, there will be lots of content and comparisons all around....

Also, everytime someone new comes to this thread, GT players don't have to go back and take a million shots of GT to prove a point. It's easy, go to youtube and watch the millions of comparison vids out there.......in motion is where we play. So don't pretend you don't know how GTS looks, because even screenshot comparisons have been done in this very thread comparing everything from (cars, lighting, foliage, shadows, pit crews, crowds, particles etc.)..it's there if you were genuinely interested.....I'll have you know also, that this thread did not just start today, there's lots of content and proper comparisons if you go back, you can start from page 1....

That didn't stop the Sony fanatics from comparing Driveclub screenshots to Forza Motorsport for years, so why should the shoe now be on the other foot when its flipped on its head? Should we ignore that Forza Motorsport 7 renders at a 188% higher resolution than GT Sport?

Where is this line at because I don't think it actually exists, I think people just say it does when a debate goes sideways on them.

"So there it is", your real purpose in this thread....You're here on a we vs them campaign. They did it so let's hit them hard now huh? So instead of bringing a proper open world to open world comparison. Say Crew 2 vs Horizon 4, you simply want to bombard this thread with your opinion that Horizon looks better than GT and anybody who doesn't agree with you,.... you then proceed to blow an online gasket in the name of justice? What a world......

More importantly, is how you were here all this time when proper comparisons were made between racers, but in the here and now you're pretending to be oblivious to it all. If you can remember DC vs Forza, then by the gods, I doubt you forget GT vs Forza on these here pages..........We did Forza 7 rain vs DC, we did Forza 7 foliage vs DC...but we also did Forza 7 cars vs GTS, Forza7 lighting vs GTS, Forza 7 crowds vs GTS, Forza 7 pits vs GTS, Forza 7 particles vs GTS and on and on.....all specific forms of comparisons. So how comes you remember DC comparisons and not GT? Yet even with DC included, at least they were all track racers. There were even comparisons between GTS and DC btw....

Yet, I'm not here saying no aspect of Horizon can't be compared to GT, we can compare lighting, cars etc....but they're fundamentally different games, so we have to be fair in how we do comparisons. In motion is always a fair comparison btw, how a game moves, when everything comes together. The problem is when you have disingenuos posters sullying comparisons by posting GT textures way behind the back of track behind a building way into the distance (no cars on screen)..... and then compares that to an open world racer with car onscreen where level of detail is aggressively drawn based on proximity is just not kosher, but you would think I would'nt need to explain that, but here I am.....

Anyway, the embargo lifts on Horizon pretty soon, we will have lots of content and comparisons in a minute.....

 

[LostDonkey]

Fair. Hes talking about fair. Somebody stop him

 

[Stuart360]

Seeing ThelastWord have a go at someone for console war-ing, jesus wept.

 

[BigLee74]

Complaining about cherry-picking screenshots as well! This is the same guy who took great delight in posting zoomed-in lod-breaking pictures of Forza to aid his past arguments. Serious troll of the highest order, now trying to take some pious holier-than-thou stance over everyone else. Urgh.

 

[TheAdmiester]

I don't care if in english you call palms "palm trees".... what I mean when I say "all the trees in FM7 are 2D" is clear

→ 2D in FM7

That doesn’t change the fact that palm trees are still trees. “ALL trees in FM7 are 2D... if you ignore the ones that are 3D”.

EDIT: To the posters above as well: you guys have to remember that thelastword is just here to troll/parody. Don’t take the “holier than thou” stuff seriously because it’s a joke. Just chuckle mildly and move on

 

[TBiddy]

What I don't understand is why here FM7/FH4 photomode-shots from PC at maximum settings are allowed but GTS photomode-shots are banned.... the answer is probably that all of you know that GTS in photomote is unbeatable, this is the reason because here is denied...

You can post all the photomode shots you want, dude, but we both know that the reason you don't post any gameplay shots from GTS is that you know Forza has it beat. I hope "86" isn't your birth-year, because you're behaving like a teenager right now. I should know - I was like you back then.

 

[TheAdmiester]

What’s funnier is that none of this thread’s main participants have the authority to ban photomode shots of a specific game, nor has anybody tried to. The only thing that SHOULD be discouraged is comparing photomode in one game to gameplay of another, and I mean that both ways. Comparisons should always be taken in the same respective modes.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

What I don't understand is why here FM7/FH4 photomode-shots from PC at maximum settings are allowed but GTS photomode-shots are banned.... the answer is probably that all of you know that GTS in photomote is unbeatable, this is the reason because here is denied...

This is in game from the Xbox One X, by all means beat this.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

This is in game from the Xbox One X, by all means beat this.

But that's not fair because it's taken with a car in the left lane on a sunny Monday with balloons in the distance over a yellow field. Please understand!

 

[DynamiteCop!]

But that's not fair because it's taken with a car in the left lane on a sunny Monday with balloons in the distance over a yellow field. Please understand!

 

[rashbeep]

so we shouldn't compare an open world game with a linear one.. because it's not fair to the linear one.

lol

 

[phil_t98]

I'm not trying to do anything, I'm not trying to make anything sound genuine, I'm not trying to make CB a valid alternative for a 4.2TB console. They just are....Why is everything so wooled in with you? So right now, authority figures which actually show the differences in rendering and features should be placed on a backburner and your opinion should be placed at pole position? Are you listening to what you're saying. There's no reason to be losing your cool if your arguments were solid, but they're not.....People who don't have an argument always use abrasive words online, it must feel good to you, but it does nothing for weak arguments btw...

This thread however is about all racers, not just Forza Horizon 4....The game is not even out yet and so many of you guys are sallivating for some "would be win"......outside of proper comparisons etc.....Let the game come out, there will be lots of content and comparisons all around....

Also, everytime someone new comes to this thread, GT players don't have to go back and take a million shots of GT to prove a point. It's easy, go to youtube and watch the millions of comparison vids out there.......in motion is where we play. So don't pretend you don't know how GTS looks, because even screenshot comparisons have been done in this very thread comparing everything from (cars, lighting, foliage, shadows, pit crews, crowds, particles etc.)..it's there if you were genuinely interested.....I'll have you know also, that this thread did not just start today, there's lots of content and proper comparisons if you go back, you can start from page 1....

"So there it is", your real purpose in this thread....You're here on a we vs them campaign. They did it so let's hit them hard now huh? So instead of bringing a proper open world to open world comparison. Say Crew 2 vs Horizon 4, you simply want to bombard this thread with your opinion that Horizon looks better than GT and anybody who doesn't agree with you,.... you then proceed to blow an online gasket in the name of justice? What a world......

More importantly, is how you were here all this time when proper comparisons were made between racers, but in the here and now you're pretending to be oblivious to it all. If you can remember DC vs Forza, then by the gods, I doubt you forget GT vs Forza on these here pages..........We did Forza 7 rain vs DC, we did Forza 7 foliage vs DC...but we also did Forza 7 cars vs GTS, Forza7 lighting vs GTS, Forza 7 crowds vs GTS, Forza 7 pits vs GTS, Forza 7 particles vs GTS and on and on.....all specific forms of comparisons. So how comes you remember DC comparisons and not GT? Yet even with DC included, at least they were all track racers. There were even comparisons between GTS and DC btw....

Yet, I'm not here saying no aspect of Horizon can't be compared to GT, we can compare lighting, cars etc....but they're fundamentally different games, so we have to be fair in how we do comparisons. In motion is always a fair comparison btw, how a game moves, when everything comes together. The problem is when you have disingenuos posters sullying comparisons by posting GT textures way behind the back of track behind a building way into the distance (no cars on screen)..... and then compares that to an open world racer with car onscreen where level of detail is aggressively drawn based on proximity is just not kosher, but you would think I would'nt need to explain that, but here I am.....

Anyway, the embargo lifts on Horizon pretty soon, we will have lots of content and comparisons in a minute.....

I agree that it is all about different racing games and you keep posting about GTS while people have posted about froza7 and now forza horizon 4 they are different games in the same genre which is good. One is open world and the other a closed racer, now seen as they are BOTH racing games i think we can compare their graphics to other racing games. The thread is not the CLOSED RACER GRAPHICS thread is it? Its about which is the best looking racing game.

As somebody pointed out a while back people shoukd be posted the best pics they can of their fave racing game not posting bad pics of a rival game.

Also you pointing out somebody as a we vs them is pretty funny to me, is that what you have been doing since day one of being on here?

 

[Gingen]

so we shouldn't compare an ultra arcade at 30 FPS with a sim at 60 fps.. because it's not fair to the linear one.

lol

Fixed

 

[LostDonkey]

Funny how there wasnt a problem when people were comparing driveclub to FH3 huh

 

[Bogroll]

Do you have a Pro? Would you mind posting some of your best in game screenshots? It's like pulling teeth getting people to post anything.

I've got a Pro, but to be honest it's a bit of a ball ache for me at the moment and i'm not the best photographer. They all look great to be honest but in this thread it boils down to the tiny things in most cases and that's where all the arguments start.

 

[Calibos]

The Title of the thread is Next Gen Racing Graphics face off. it means all racing games, no exceptions for open world, more physics, 2d trees etc....This thread is a blast to read. I just wish that The Last Word or Driver would just have the humility to say..."Forza Horizon 4 is the best looking racer so far."

 

[Fortinbras]

Not mine...

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Fixed

Except in the instances where you know people (me) are using console screen shots...

 

[Turk1993]

I don't understand the people that say comparing a open world vs closed circuit racer is not fair. If its not fair its not fair for Forza Horizon, because it need to render everything on screen where you can go. Closed circuit racers can cut corners like draw distance and assets in the distance, they can even fake everything behind the trees that it doesn't need to render. But even with all this Forza Horizon still looks better and does almost all the things better than any current gen racing game. Racing game is a racing game, no need to seperate them for graphics comparison. And for the people that say lets put the best looking pics in here and compare, i agree and disagree with that for one reason. There are games that look constantly good where there are games that look good in some conditions. It is good to give you a idea how the game looks in its best but what if the game looks like that only 5% of the time.

Do you have a Pro? Would you mind posting some of your best in game screenshots? It's like pulling teeth getting people to post anything.

Here you go (all gameplay shots from PS4 pro)

 

[Journey]

The Title of the thread is Next Gen Racing Graphics face off. it means all racing games, no exceptions for open world, more physics, 2d trees etc....This thread is a blast to read. I just wish that The Last Word or Driver would just have the humility to say..."Forza Horizon 4 is the best looking racer so far."

You're asking too much.