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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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FukuDaruma
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Any news at all regarding the next Forza Horizon? honestly, it's the only thing I'm waiting for, specially if they stop being stupid and do it in Japan, like people have been asking for for ages...
SimTourist
Member
Most likely it's 2 years away, next year playground is gonna be busy launching Fable, so yeah.
TBiddy
Member
Two different teams are handling the games though.
SimTourist
Member
The two teams strategy has never worked out for any studio really, they're gonna pull everyone together in the final stretch of crunch on Fable, I doubt we'll get Horizon next year, plus MS probably wants to space them out.
These are not two teams, these are teo completely differentiated Studios although sharing the same technology (ForzaTech).
The development of Fable is supported by almost the entire Eidos Montreal staff. Forza Horizon Studio works separately, even in different offices I think.
I don't think the development of one is affecting another. What I do believe is that the release date of one could affect another. That is, I don't think that if Fable is planned for the end of 2025, it is pertinent to launch FH6 on the same dates.
On the other hand, next year there will be 5 years of development for an FH... It would be more than double the time that previous FHs needed.
I think everything is open.
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TBiddy
Member
Well said.
Also, I don't think it's a bad thing they are taking their time with FH. It was getting rather stale to be honest.
FukuDaruma
Member
Forza Horizon 3: September 2016
Forza Horizon 4: October 2018
Forza Horizon 5: November 2021
Maybe they are increasing the development cycle even more?
Forza Horizon 4: October 2018
Forza Horizon 5: November 2021
Maybe they are increasing the development cycle even more?
Jibran#one
Member
I think even before Forza horizon 4 people were asking for japan.
But yeah I also think their main work force is focused on fable and even though there must be a second team working on horizon 6 I dnt think they are launching 2 games next year
But yeah I also think their main work force is focused on fable and even though there must be a second team working on horizon 6 I dnt think they are launching 2 games next year
SimTourist
Member
They were severely limited by the Xbone hardware, unable to make dense urban environments because when people say they want Japan they probably want Tokyo as a city to drive through, Horizon 5 already dropped to 10 fps when driving into the simple city they had on standard xbone. Maybe they'll be able to do it now but it also means a lot more work than what they're used to with empty fields and mountains so it's gonna take more time either way.
FukuDaruma
Member
IF it is finally Japan I don't care to wait for another 2-3 years if that means they come up with an amazing game. Just hope they don't "built from the ground up" like they did with that dumpster fire of Forza Motorsport.
They've put their foot on the GaaS.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
they are making fable.
amigastar
Member
Assetto Corsa is not about graphics necessarily, GT7 is different since it's a Car Porn. AC has better physics, though.
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Emet_bp
Member
That's also truth. Btw. I wonder how many road cars will be in the new Assetto Corsa, because I don't care about race cars that much.
SimTourist
Member
No raytracing but looks good still.Steam page for Assetto Corsa EVO is up
Wet tarmack can actually look super shiny/reflective in real life.
SimTourist
Member
Looks good but it's crazy that 11 years after GT6 on PS3 we still have polygon edges on small details when GT6 had adaptive tesselation to make everything perfectly round. Also no RT or even interior cubemaps ( crazy that PD is the only studio that came up with that solution and nobody copies it).Materials look so good on AC evo
LostDonkey
Member
Apparently Forza Motorsport got some big upgrades visually in the last update, especially on console. Anyone tried it out yet?
In the last update things have improved, but the general improvement has been going on for several updates. Now, definitely, It is more visually consistent.
-They have improved the appearance of skies and clouds.
-Contrast and color. -They have resolved many bugs and circuit details. Especially in repetitions.
-RT reflections have improved.
-They have resolved the SSR artifacts during the rain while the windshield wipers were working.
-The asphalt and AF have improved. Raindrops on the asphalt.
- The lighting and shadows of the car interiors have been tweaked for the better. Bugs that existed in many of the cars when using the interior camera have also been fixed.
-The way car lights are represented has changed. Now they are more realistic and less artificial.
-AI behavior is better but still needs to improve.
-New circuits that are better detailed than those that were at launch.
In short, now the game is what it should have been at its launch.
PS. What would give it a plus from now and need is the inclusion of fictitious circuits and renewed menus.
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Got to agree. The texture resolution looks superb but the shaders aren't good.Senua
Dunno, looks kinda average by todays standards. Nothing stands out. If anything. Im kinda underwhelmed.
LostDonkey
Member
Ooooh thanks for the summary, can't wait to give it a try for myself. Not played it for ages so should be very noticeable.
I dont know if the upgrade is "big", but surely the game looks now crispier most of the time.
Midday with clear sky is still quite bland, but other times of day, in combination with new skyboxes and color/contrast changes, look definitly more punchy than before.
Senua
Gold Member
Yup they've made nice strides towards what it should've been from the start. Fair playI dont know if the upgrade is "big", but surely the game looks now crispier most of the time.
Midday with clear sky is still quite bland, but other times of day, in combination with new skyboxes and color/contrast changes, look definitly more punchy than before.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Im back on GAF after a long break. Just tried the visual mod on FM (23) and it made me angry again. Where is the RTGI that was promised at launch, why is the track details (grass, trees, objects) cut down from the pc version while its in the files folder the whole time. WTF is wrong with those guys. They have made some good improvements compared to the launch version but after seen the difference between RTGI and full track details it feels very little in comparison.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What is left and what is right?Im back on GAF after a long break. Just tried the visual mod on FM (23) and it made me angry again. Where is the RTGI that was promised at launch, why is the track details (grass, trees, objects) cut down from the pc version while its in the files folder the whole time. WTF is wrong with those guys. They have made some good improvements compared to the launch version but after seen the difference between RTGI and full track details it feels very little in comparison.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
Lokaum D+
Member
It is surprising that they have not yet solved the issue that the maximum PC version in official settings does not show the same level of detail and amount of vegetation (trees, grass and grass) as the XSX version in quality mode. Especially more surprising is the matter when everything is inside the game files in a hidden configurationIm back on GAF after a long break. Just tried the visual mod on FM (23) and it made me angry again. Where is the RTGI that was promised at launch, why is the track details (grass, trees, objects) cut down from the pc version while its in the files folder the whole time. WTF is wrong with those guys. They have made some good improvements compared to the launch version but after seen the difference between RTGI and full track details it feels very little in comparison.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
Regarding RTGi (based on DF's video) , It is a great visual jump... but it seems that it is not yet ready to be launched (many bugs and it does not work during night races) and on console it would only be left for replays or for a mode at ~1080p or several cuts.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What I want to know is if left is PC and right is XBSX or both are PC/XB, photomode/gameplay, etc.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
Left is the base game on pc maxed out 4K ultra settings and right is the visual mod with max settings that enables RTGI and higher quality track details thats in the games folder.
After soo many months and they still didn't fix it.It is surprising that they have not yet solved the issue that the maximum PC version in official settings does not show the same level of detail and amount of vegetation (trees, grass and grass) as the XSX version in quality mode. Especially more surprising is the matter when everything is inside the game files in a hidden configuration
Well thats the problem. It was supposed to be there at launch and still after 8 months there are zero updates when it comes to RTGI.
Turk1993
GAFs #1 source for car graphic comparisons
All pc max settings in gameplay.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Very nice the mod doing that too.
This is really weird.Im back on GAF after a long break. Just tried the visual mod on FM (23) and it made me angry again. Where is the RTGI that was promised at launch, why is the track details (grass, trees, objects) cut down from the pc version while its in the files folder the whole time. WTF is wrong with those guys. They have made some good improvements compared to the launch version but after seen the difference between RTGI and full track details it feels very little in comparison.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
I knew PC version has some problems with vegetation but i expected it to be minor.
I initially thought that this mod unlocks some extra level of fidelity, but It seems like it just sets LODs on par with XBOX (apart of RTGI ofc).
That fact that modern PC game on ultra settings has lower level of details than console from 2020 is really unacceptable.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Im back on GAF after a long break. Just tried the visual mod on FM (23) and it made me angry again. Where is the RTGI that was promised at launch, why is the track details (grass, trees, objects) cut down from the pc version while its in the files folder the whole time. WTF is wrong with those guys. They have made some good improvements compared to the launch version but after seen the difference between RTGI and full track details it feels very little in comparison.
Just have a look, this is what i expected (outside the bugs and shitty denoiser) from a current gen FM game running on pc. The quality of the lighting, materials, shaders, reflections and track detail is signifcitly improved.
Due to the rushed nature and poor coding, the code is probably a mess which is why the game never looked as good as initial demos. Also making fixing the game and its bugs difficult. Turn 10 screwed up as far as im concerned. At least on PC you can enable the settings the game was initially supposed to have on both console and PC before they downgraded everything
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Next year would be 4 years since FH5
FORZA MOTORSPORT new roadmap
The game continues to improve and it is clear that it is now much better than when it was launched. It's a shame in my opinion that they still seem to be forgetting to include fictitious circuits and improved menus.
•Spectate mode with new replay cameras.
• Drift mode
• Creative Hub and Share Codes
• New tracks: Sunset Peninsula and Bathurst
• A new way to get reward cars via the Challenge Hub
• Reward Cars also unlock able via multiplayer
• Select series and rewards from previous updates become permanent additions to the Builders Cup
• Additional weather customization options will be added to Free Play and Private Multiplayer
• Audio cues for car proximity radar
• Updates to Forza Race Regulations
• A new advanced ghosting system that predicts some of the most popular griefing incidents in Featured Multiplayer races
• Updated Edit Layer Tool for the Livery Editor. This will change the layer user interface to be more like Forza Horizon 5's Livery Editor.
• and more
The game continues to improve and it is clear that it is now much better than when it was launched. It's a shame in my opinion that they still seem to be forgetting to include fictitious circuits and improved menus.
A Message to the Motorsport Community – August 2024
Look for Spectate, Drift, Creative Hub, Share Codes, and Sunset Peninsula in the coming months.
forza.net
•Spectate mode with new replay cameras.
• Drift mode
• Creative Hub and Share Codes
• New tracks: Sunset Peninsula and Bathurst
• A new way to get reward cars via the Challenge Hub
• Reward Cars also unlock able via multiplayer
• Select series and rewards from previous updates become permanent additions to the Builders Cup
• Additional weather customization options will be added to Free Play and Private Multiplayer
• Audio cues for car proximity radar
• Updates to Forza Race Regulations
• A new advanced ghosting system that predicts some of the most popular griefing incidents in Featured Multiplayer races
• Updated Edit Layer Tool for the Livery Editor. This will change the layer user interface to be more like Forza Horizon 5's Livery Editor.
• and more
FukuDaruma
Member
This game has been out for almost a year now. Did they finally include the full raytracing with RTGI they used for reveal and promos but then never released in the real game?
It would be interesting to redo this comparision and see if it's closer to the reveal or it still looks mostly the same as what they really released a year ago.
There are many things there that were UBI-level of scammery:
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Senua
Gold Member
This game has been out for almost a year now. Did they finally include the full raytracing with RTGI they used for reveal and promos but then never released in the real game?
It would be interesting to redo this comparision and see if it's closer to the reveal or it still looks mostly the same as what they really released a year ago.
There are many things there that were UBI-level of scammery:
Nope, you can enable RTGI and better raytracing options in the config files but the assets are still the same. Also the assets in the PC version still aren't as good as XBSX quality mode version.
This game has been out for almost a year now. Did they finally include the full raytracing with RTGI they used for reveal and promos but then never released in the real game?
It would be interesting to redo this comparision and see if it's closer to the reveal or it still looks mostly the same as what they really released a year ago.
There are many things there that were UBI-level of scammery:
The looks quite different than at launch, but asset quality/density wise, its mostly the same and a far cry from reveal, or even FH5 for that matter...
However there were some pretty noticable changes in terms of lighting, colors, contrast, skyboxes and road textures.
So yeah, its quite a bit better now, but still massively downgraded compared to reveal in terms of details.
SimTourist
Member
What a sad generation for racers, nothing to discuss in a thread like this, nothing to look forward to, pathetic.
nikos
Member
CarX Street just released.
Test Drive Unlimited is about to release.
Assetto Corsa EVO is is coming.
Assetto Corsa just got Pure 2.0 and is constantly evolving/improving.
RaceRoom is getting a graphics overhaul tomorrow.
Tokyo Xtreme Racer and NIGHT-RUNNERS in 2025.
Rennsport is in beta.
Wreckfest 2 announced.
A bunch of other sim racing titles recently released or will be releasing soon.
Lots of great indie racing games recently as well, even if they aren't as graphically advanced.
I feel like it's a great time to be a fan of racing games, even if they're not all competing for best visuals.
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Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
This game has been out for almost a year now. Did they finally include the full raytracing with RTGI they used for reveal and promos but then never released in the real game?
It would be interesting to redo this comparision and see if it's closer to the reveal or it still looks mostly the same as what they really released a year ago.
There are many things there that were UBI-level of scammery:
This shit pisses me off so goddamn much! Why? Because it's Microsoft first party they should know better. Dishonest fucks. Not only that but this is a NEXT GEN ONLY TRACK RACER! How is this not the best looking game this generation? It should've been so much better. Same kind of thing on Sony's side with Last of Us1 Remake ...how the hell wasn't THAT the best looking game ever when IT came out??
Both Sony and MS have been lazy and dishonest snakes at times this generation.
Pharaoh 117
Member
FM is such a disappointment. I was sympathetic towards T10 because MS had they running on a 2 year schedule so it was understandable they couldn't completely revamp the game on the time that was given. And then they were given 6 years of development but somehow they still managed to underdeliver, on both content and quality. It's really mind boggling.
SimTourist
Member
I was specifically talking about graphics, all these look PS3/early PS4 level, not much excitement
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