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[shandy706]

But mowing down corn crops with million dollar supercars is next gen. PCars, GT and other track racing titles are now obsolete.

All of those games are as legit as the other.

These responses are as bad as or worse than the people you are responding too. Also, the guy you and schenmu are responding to, said absolutely nothing about something being obsolete. He thinks another game competes in some areas, stop taking it so personal.

 

[icecold1983]

Um... now you're saying you were actually referring to something specific. Now it just sounds like you're backtracking :/ You made clear broad statements:

"shadows actually never look like that. only shadows from the car are soft."

Implying that all shadows should look like the one underneath the car when 1. shadows underneath the car are affected by motion blur and 2. shadows in real life CAN look like the ones that you highlighted in that particular screenshot. Here I whipped up a collage of real-world examples just for you:



" it would be funny if it actually is using PCF"

You didn't say PS3-style there and correct me if I'm wrong but even if they DID use PCF, it does not necessarily mean hard shadows.

My main point of contention was basically you saying the tree shadows should look like the one underneath the car in the PCars screenshot and your liberal use of the term PCF to mean hard, stencil-like shadows.

none of the shadows in that collage are similar to the hard edged and blocky shadows in pcars.

you quoted my posts out of order, here is the very first post i made on the subject.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145152394&postcount=2231

it stands to reason that i would be referring to ps3 style pcf shadows in all posts going forward when talking about the exact same subject.

"shadows actually never look like that. only shadows from the car are soft."

thats 2 sentences. the first saying that shadows never appear blocky and completely devoid of ANY softness whatsoever like the tree shadows in pcars, and the 2nd that only the shadow from the car has some softness applied to it.

its physically impossible for shadows to ever look like that in real life, and to say this is just as bad as DC not having CHS is absolutely ridiculous. if you actually think those shadows look like the ones here

then im rly not sure what else to say

 

[Javin98]

Now people are saying the lighting in GT and PCars is more realistic than DC? Da fuq?

Yeah, this thread is really face palm worthy with several posts. It's amazing how desperate people can get at times. First it was "PCars looks better than DC! But I can't post pics to prove my point so let's agree to disagree!" to "Durr... Post real time screenshots. DC in Photomode looks WAY BETTER because of dat AA and shadows!" and recently like your post stated we have "GT looks more realistic. It's subjective but DC looks gamey to me". And finally, "FH2 gives DC a run for its money because it is open world!"

 

[TheAdmiester]

then im rly not sure what else to say

You could start with "wow, you're right" or "that's pretty accurate, actually".

 

[icecold1983]

You could start with "wow, you're right" or "that's pretty accurate, actually".

or i could do you a huge favor and suggest you visit or find a better optometrist

 

[TheAdmiester]

or i could do you a huge favor and suggest you visit or find a better optometrist

My eyes are fine, thanks for the psuedo concern, though.

The area I've squared off here, the area that's actually rendering properly. I don't know what's wrong with the rest, but this part is clearly much higher detail. This part is completely accurate to the collage that was posted, with the sun cutting through the leaves and having gaps in the shadows.

The rest are clearly imperfections so I'm not referring to them. The blocky shadows are in no way the "intended" look, they're obviously just a byproduct of the unusual camera angle.

 

[Javin98]

You could start with "wow, you're right" or "that's pretty accurate, actually".

Or you can actually explain how those blocky shadows from trees in PCars look like shadows in real life?

 

[TheAdmiester]

Or you can actually explain how those blocky shadows from trees in PCars look like shadows in real life?

Like my post above where I explained exactly that?

The blocky shadows aren't the intended effect, it's blindingly obvious. There's a clear divide between where the blocky shadows are rendering and where the clear ones are rendering.

 

[icecold1983]

Like my post above where I explained exactly that?

The blocky shadows aren't the intended effect, it's blindingly obvious. There's a clear divide between where the blocky shadows are rendering and where the clear ones are rendering.

didnt explain anything, the highlighted area is still blocky and hard edged/aliased, the silhouette is just a bit more defined. dont try to blame anything on the camera angle, it looks just like that in game, and leads to tremendous amounts of temporal shadow aliasing

 

[DidntKnowJack]

But mowing down corn crops with million dollar supercars is next gen. PCars, GT and other track racing titles are now obsolete.

Thankfully, that is completely untrue. But hey, continue to think 'your way or the highway' is a universal truth.

 

[23qwerty]

Thankfully, that is completely untrue. But hey, continue to think 'your way or the highway' is a universal truth.

it's obviously sarcasm lol

 

[ICPEE]

I'd rather do that in GTA5 which does it better anyway. I like my racing games being about actual racing.

Yeah, this thread is really face palm worthy with several posts. It's amazing how desperate people can get at times. First it was "PCars looks better than DC! But I can't post pics to prove my point so let's agree to disagree!" to "Durr... Post real time screenshots. DC in Photomode looks WAY BETTER because of dat AA and shadows!" and recently like your post stated we have "GT looks more realistic. It's subjective but DC looks gamey to me". And finally, "FH2 gives DC a run for its money because it is open world!"

Yeah some people really let themselves go in this thread. DC with the weather and photomode update has really ruffled a few feathers. Graphics wise DC curb stomps all racing titles in existance based on pure visual and sound fidelity (with the new sound update). There is no two ways about it. I fully expect this title to evolve further with more visual tweaks.

 

[DidntKnowJack]

it's obviously sarcasm lol

My bad. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone held a similar point of view about closed course games being a relic and that racing games need to be open world in order to be interesting. But apparently that's not the case here. Apologies.

 

[ICPEE]

My bad. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone held a similar point of view about closed course games being a relic and that racing games need to be open world in order to be interesting. But apparently that's not the case here. Apologies.

You should read some DC reviews. I'm pretty sure you would find terms like "linear" and "soulless" (whatever the fuck that means) bandied about. Maybe someone can explain that to me cause im still trying to make sense of it.

 

[Javin98]

Like my post above where I explained exactly that?

The blocky shadows aren't the intended effect, it's blindingly obvious. There's a clear divide between where the blocky shadows are rendering and where the clear ones are rendering.

So you are claiming the blocky shadows are simply a visual bug when there are a few screenshots showing that they are in fact the shadows used for foliage in the game? And the so called "clear" shadows are further from the screen so they look better. This is desperation right here.

 

[ShamePain]

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

 

[TheAdmiester]

So you are claiming the blocky shadows are simply a visual bug when there are a few screenshots showing that they are in fact the shadows used for foliage in the game? And the so called "clear" shadows are further from the screen so they look better. This is desperation right here.

They're not "further from the screen so they look better". There's literally a hard cut line between the bad shadows and the good ones. Why would the good ones be rendered further away?

If they look better because they're in the distance, then why is it still easy to tell the difference between those and the blocky ones that are also in the distance?

Don't even start with this "desperation" shite. I'm explaining it clear as day to you with evidence in actual images. If you don't get it, then great, I'm sorry that you can't comprehend the imagery.

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

Tell me about it. I know fine well that pCARS looks worse but it seems that they can't grasp the fact that SOME parts of pCARS are better executed.

 

[23qwerty]

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

this is just sad tbh

 

[benzy]

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

Lol at the salt.

Such an unrealistic art direction.

 

[ShamePain]

Lol at the salt.

Such an unrealistic art direction.

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

 

[Makki]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

Lol what?

 

[benzy]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

Both words are interchangeable in this discussion and practically describes the same thing regarding graphics or "art style."

 

[23qwerty]

same person who said this

It's also worth mentioning that DC has less polygons is cars than GT/Forza/PCars.

i wouldn't pay them much mind

 

[Jamesways]

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

Back to it, eh? No game will ever look as good as Forza 5, right?

This thread...

This is why we can't have nice things.

Next gen games look great. Surely we can all agree?

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Lol at the mad DC fanboys that aren't willing to accept that it's art style is far from photorealistic.

Why do you feel compelled to call people fanboys?

That's a tell tale sign that you've lost control of the conversation.

 

[motorised mallard]

Well atleast the cars in DC don't glow like they have spotlights on them.

Spoiler

/s and no offense to PCars but they do stick out.

 

[Windom Earle]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

loooooool

 

[El-Pistolero]

It's good to see the Driveclub weather patch really got this thread's blood flowing again after how disappointingly quiet it was at the DC/FH2 launches.

DC was a more impressive game, even without the patch, imo. Better car models, and a much, much more impressive lighting solution...

 

[Windom Earle]

Lol at the salt.

Such an unrealistic art direction.

I can't stop looking at this. It's completely nuts.

 

[23qwerty]

DC was a more impressive game, even without the patch, imo. Better car models, and a much, much more impressive lighting solution...

Yep, but the weather patch has let the lighting system shine even more.
Pun completely intended.

 

[El-Pistolero]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

Stop digging, you are about the hit the earth core...

 

[JayhawkerStL]

But mowing down corn crops with million dollar supercars is next gen. PCars, GT and other track racing titles are now obsolete.

Wait, and you are complaining about the the comments in this thread?

Personally, I have Forza 5 for proper Racing, and FH2 for pure fun.

Driveclub does look great, but it never looked near as good as the photos I see in this thread when I tried it out. It was pretty stunning, though, andI think in terms of pure graphics, it beats FH2 pretty handily.

The problem was, it was kind of boring. It doesn't feel like an arcade racer, but it was way too shallow to be a sim. Hell, it lacks the the multitude of activities that FH2 has.

It just feels like a good racing game that PS4 owners can enjoy the hell out of. But the uber love it gets is kind of comical.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

Your post is even saltier than seawater. Just saying

 

[GnawtyDog]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

It pained me to read this post. Truly a shame.

 

[AgentP]

There is a difference between being realistic and being photorealistic.

Stop posting, really you are just digging a hole...

 

[ShamePain]

Dat sony damage control

 

[23qwerty]

Dat sony damage control

People calling you out for saying stupid shit = damage control? Aight then bud.

 

[icecold1983]

Tell me about it. I know fine well that pCARS looks worse but it seems that they can't grasp the fact that SOME parts of pCARS are better executed.

aside from the areas that will always scale with no cap due to unlimited money and future hardware(IQ features like res/aa/af), i dont believe pcars does anything better when it comes to graphics.

and wrt the photorealism argument, hardware is many many generations from being able to run games that are truly photorealistic(and this is flat out ignoring animation, i dont know how that one will be solved). when people use that term it should be taken as a loose phrase to state improvement relative to other games using current technology.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

Dat sony damage control

Dat salt.

So after you were proven wrong about DC's photomode and GT's photomode, you resort to "lol Sony fanboys".

You don't have anything to back up your previous claims?

Smooth.

 

[AgentP]

Dat sony damage control

What damage? I'm just warning you, you are not long for this forum with your choice if words.

 

[lukeskymac]

Dat sony damage control

You're not on /v/, kid. These one liners aren't getting you nowhere.

 

[El-Pistolero]

Dat sony damage control

Are you for real? Could you possibly manage to post something not idiotic for a change?

 

[Poetic.Injustice]

You guys are gonna get this thread locked.

 

[ShamePain]

Dat salt.

So after you were proven wrong about DC's photomode and GT's photomode, you resort to "lol Sony fanboys".

You don't have anything to back up your previous claims?

Smooth.

There is nothing wrong with that argument, both games have increased fidelity in photo mode compared to in game, in GT's case it's more pronounced because the game is not running at 1080p but the photo mode renders images at that resolution.

 

[Nafai1123]

This thread is just sad now.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

Dat sony damage control

LOL it isn't. It's just that people pointing out your BS

 

[LightofRohan]

I like looking at all the pretty pictures and gifs, but I try not to read the text... yeesh.

 

[Windom Earle]

There is nothing wrong with that argument, both games have increased fidelity in photo mode compared to in game, in GT's case it's more pronounced because the game is not running at 1080p but the photo mode renders images at that resolution.

Besides the fact that people have explained to you that there is a vast difference between GT/Forza style of photomode and DC photomode... What was the argument again? Something about GT looking better to you than Drive Club? You've lost me along the way.

 

[DirgeExtinction]

There is nothing wrong with that argument, both games have increased fidelity in photo mode compared to in game, in GT's case it's more pronounced because the game is not running at 1080p but the photo mode renders images at that resolution.

I quote:

So what is the difference with GT's photo mode exactly? Both turn up AA and fix the shitty shadows.

The difference is that GT swaps out car models for higher fidelity ones, while supersampling the image. DC, on the other hand, just adds another pass of AA. Maybe it does something to shadows, but I haven't really paid attention to that. If you want, you can add more blur and such, but that's optional.

When it comes to the models, lighting, and environment, what you see is what you get with DC photomode.

 

[ShamePain]

LOL it isn't. It'd just that people pointing out your BS

So just because DC fails at producing a photo real image and I can always tell it's a game because of it's art style means I'm talking BS?